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ogdogg
Jul 16, 2010, 10:55 PM
I just tried cupping the bottom of my 3GS to see what would happen for myself and was surprised to see it drop from 4 bars to 1 bar every time. I used that phone for 1 year without ever knowing a problem existed. The reception issues are overblown. Try it on any phone and see for yourself. I am now a believer.



Jare
Jul 16, 2010, 10:56 PM
I just tried cupping the bottom of my 3GS to see what would happen for myself and was surprised to see it drop from 4 bars to 1 bar every time. I used that phone for 1 year without ever knowing a problem existed. The reception issues are overblown. Try it on any phone and see for yourself. I am now a believer.

Not confirmed, tested on my 3GS in low service area doing the exact same thing the video did without difference, bars remained the same.

InfinitiG
Jul 16, 2010, 10:57 PM
"Apple's attempt to draw RIM into Apple's self-made debacle is unacceptable. Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation. RIM is a global leader in antenna design and has been successfully designing industry-leading wireless data products with efficient and effective radio performance for over 20 years. During that time, RIM has avoided designs like the one Apple used in the iPhone 4 and instead has used innovative designs which reduce the risk for dropped calls, especially in areas of lower coverage. One thing is for certain, RIM's customers don't need to use a case for their BlackBerry smartphone to maintain proper connectivity. Apple clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw RIM and others into a situation that relates specifically to Apple."

- Mike Lazaridis and Jim Balsillie

ogdogg
Jul 16, 2010, 10:58 PM
Not confirmed, tested on my 3GS in low service area doing the exact same thing the video did without difference, bars remained the same.

Did you remove the case? Hold it in your left hand covering the BACK of the phone near the bottom. It will drop every time.

nunes013
Jul 16, 2010, 11:00 PM
"Apple's attempt to draw RIM into Apple's self-made debacle is unacceptable. Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation. RIM is a global leader in antenna design and has been successfully designing industry-leading wireless data products with efficient and effective radio performance for over 20 years. During that time, RIM has avoided designs like the one Apple used in the iPhone 4 and instead has used innovative designs which reduce the risk for dropped calls, especially in areas of lower coverage. One thing is for certain, RIM's customers don't need to use a case for their BlackBerry smartphone to maintain proper connectivity. Apple clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw RIM and others into a situation that relates specifically to Apple."

- Mike Lazaridis and Jim Balsillie

my dad has a blackberry and i recreated the issue on it

Jare
Jul 16, 2010, 11:00 PM
Did you remove the case? Hold it in your left hand covering the BACK of the phone near the bottom. It will drop every time.

I don't own the case, and used the video from apple.com/antenna to try and reproduce. NEVER happened, and yes I am indeed in a low service area.

Edit: Maybe I should make a video.

ogdogg
Jul 16, 2010, 11:04 PM
I don't own the case, and used the video from apple.com/antenna to try and reproduce. NEVER happened, and yes I am indeed in a low service area.

Edit: Maybe I should make a video.

Try using two hands. I can drop from 4 bars to one in about 20 seconds every single time.

Jare
Jul 16, 2010, 11:05 PM
Try using two hands. I can drop from 4 bars to one in about 20 seconds every single time.

I've tried holding my phone every possible way. Two hands, one hand, gripping hard, gripping lightly. Every possible way I could and no, my bars have not changed at all.

dbwrobel
Jul 16, 2010, 11:05 PM
Tried this on my iPhone 3GS after the 4.0.1 update and the grip does cause issues with the bars (couldn't get it to do it before the update). Further went to try it on friends blackberry curve, was able to have the bars drop after gripping it from 5 to 3/2 bars and then back up to five. Makes me think that Apple is somewhat telling the truth....

One thing to note is that it didn't do it everywhere, some areas yes, some areas no.

Broph
Jul 16, 2010, 11:08 PM
Getting annoyed at the amount of people that don't know the 'confirmed' concept.... Thinking that just because they did it, it's definately confirmed and every one else is wrong...

ogdogg
Jul 16, 2010, 11:12 PM
Some screenshots I just took using my 3GS...

zerostar
Jul 16, 2010, 11:14 PM
Tried this on my iPhone 3GS after the 4.0.1 update and the grip does cause issues with the bars (couldn't get it to do it before the update). Further went to try it on friends blackberry curve, was able to have the bars drop after gripping it from 5 to 3/2 bars and then back up to five. Makes me think that Apple is somewhat telling the truth....

One thing to note is that it didn't do it everywhere, some areas yes, some areas no.

Why would they lie about an issue that millions of people can they themselves test if true.

I have a box of older phones, from Samsung to BB Curves. I have so-far tested 5 of the "newest" ones and I get the same loss of signal (some all the way down to no service) as the iPhone.

I have to agree the iPhone 4 is overall giving me better reception than any other iPhone. I think it is now just about on par with some of the best smartphones out there. (I use a bumper on my iPhone now and love it!)

elistan
Jul 17, 2010, 12:01 AM
Using Field Test in my first-gen iPhone running 3.1.3, I see up to a -20 to -25 dB signal loss when holding it in the "grip" at home, which has low signal strength (-85 to -95 on average.) Sometimes, but always, I can deliberately drop it to No Signal. I've gotten into the habit of placing long calls by using the headphones or Jawbone and leaving the phone untouched on the table. In a high-signal location, like -51 or -61, I can only get the signal to drop by -10 dB or so.

hipvamore
Jul 17, 2010, 12:02 AM
i feel like this is springing up all over the place with a lot of different phones, guess it does happen with other phone just was never pointed out

Vertigo50
Jul 17, 2010, 12:04 AM
This is great and all, and I don't doubt the 3GS has the issue, but can you find any place on the phone that you can LIGHTLY TOUCH WITH A SINGLE FINGER and make it drop from 5 bars to no bars?

That's what my iPhone 4 does, so no, this is not overblown.

It's not about cupping, and it's not about gripping tightly. It's about lightly touching with a single finger and watching the phone lose all connection.

gr8tfly
Jul 17, 2010, 12:05 AM
I just tried cupping the bottom of my 3GS to see what would happen for myself and was surprised to see it drop from 4 bars to 1 bar every time. I used that phone for 1 year without ever knowing a problem existed. The reception issues are overblown. Try it on any phone and see for yourself. I am now a believer.

As does the 1st gen iPhone.

However, I disagree in calling it "an issue". It's just the physics of antenna design. ALL antennas have the same "issues", in one form or another.

If you (the public) use RF as your communication medium, you have to have to understand its limitations and the compromises which must be made in any [RF] system design.

Or, trust the company you chose to buy from enough that you don't need to have a personal understanding of the physics involved. That's what they pay their engineers and scientists for (and, invest in $100M test facilities). Apple is the best in the world at hiding the technology behind their products - so the user needn't concern themselves with it. Unfortunately, too many here and at other forums/blogs do conern themselves without having the proper background to do so. That, as much as anything, has led to the overblown situation.

goobot
Jul 17, 2010, 12:08 AM
who the hell holds the 3gs like that tho? the 4 had the antenna where anyone would hold it.

openendstraight
Jul 17, 2010, 12:13 AM
Try using two hands. I can drop from 4 bars to one in about 20 seconds every single time.

I never have more than 3 bars in my house, so tried what you said (even used two hand, but not sure why, because I would never use two hands while making a call), and while holding it my bar did not change (I held it for three minutes).

Does this mean I can now say confirmed? ;)

Jare
Jul 17, 2010, 12:14 AM
I never have more than 3 bars in my house, so tried what you said (even used two hand, but not sure why, because I would never use two hands while making a call), and while holding it my bar did not change (I held it for three minutes).

Does this mean I can now say confirmed? ;)

Guess that means I can confirm the above too.

wharzhee
Jul 17, 2010, 12:23 AM
all attenuation is replicable. jus cause one cant, doesnt mean it doesnt exist.and it doesnt matter if u use one finger or u put it in a shielded chamber.it would be too naive to say hey, i dont see god, hey u dont see god, hmm, it's confirmed, god doesnt exist? [lowercase used for god - no puns intended]

VeNoMiZeD
Jul 17, 2010, 12:24 AM
Getting annoyed at the amount of people that don't know the 'confirmed' concept.... Thinking that just because they did it, it's definately confirmed and every one else is wrong...

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ogdogg
Jul 17, 2010, 09:18 AM
I never have more than 3 bars in my house, so tried what you said (even used two hand, but not sure why, because I would never use two hands while making a call), and while holding it my bar did not change (I held it for three minutes).

Does this mean I can now say confirmed? ;)

No, it means you're a liar or you have little girl elf hands.

SpaceKitty
Jul 17, 2010, 09:28 AM
I discovered that my 3GS had the same exact problem as my iPhone 4 when I took the case off of the 3GS to sell it. I used the phone for a few days and was surprised to find that when I held it in the death grip it too would drop to 0 bars and lose connectivity. IN the whole year I owned the phone it was always in a case.

Last week, I bought a new 8GB 3GS but I haven't tried the above out on it because it went right back in the case that my original 3GS was in. The signal problem on it is a non issue just like on my iPhone 4.

WiiMarioHacker
Jul 17, 2010, 09:42 AM
My 3G does the same. Only I have to over the right side with one hand and put fingers over that thumb. But, mine only drops one bar.

King Luis
Jul 17, 2010, 09:44 AM
has anyone outside the USA been able to do the same thing?

i've tried this on my thing on...
my iphone 3g with fido - nothing happens
my work bb bold with rogers - drops 2 bars but goes back up and rarely happens.
my brothers 3gs with bell - nothing happens
my friends 2g with rogers - nothing happens.
and my parents ghetto samsung flip phone with telus - nothing happens.

so can this some what be related to att? can someone with an ip4 try it outside the USA?

ouimetnick
Jul 17, 2010, 09:45 AM
Try using two hands. I can drop from 4 bars to one in about 20 seconds every single time.

Why would I use two hands? The iPhone 4 goes from full bars to SEARCHING when touch in the spot lightly. My 3GS MUST be gripped with 2 hands tightly to drop 3 bars. I was using an iPhone 4 the other day. I held it naturally in my left hand. My skin just touched the spot. The pone went from 5 to SEARCHING and my call was dropped. Holding an iPhone 3GS i the same way has no effect. In fact, in all the different ways I hold my iPhone 3GS, I don't lose a bar. But if I hold my phone unnaturally, it loses a few bars, but the call IS NOT dropped. I tested the iPhone 4 and 3GS in the SAME location, and had the issue on the iPhone 4.

eckseid
Jul 17, 2010, 09:48 AM
has anyone outside the USA been able to do the same thing?

i've tried this on my thing on...
my iphone 3g with fido - nothing happens
my work bb bold with rogers - drops 2 bars but goes back up and rarely happens.
my brothers 3gs with bell - nothing happens
my friends 2g with rogers - nothing happens.
and my parents ghetto samsung flip phone with telus - nothing happens.

so can this some what be related to att? can someone with an ip4 try it outside the USA?

It does happen outside of the USA. Look up other threads.

It seems to me everyone is missing the point in all of this. If you hold any phone in a "death grip" (stupid ass name), it may lose bars, but most won't lose service like the iPhone 4. The problem with the iPhone 4 is, you can put 1 finger in the wrong spot (READ: ONE FINGER) and you lose service. I would be pissed if I was RIM and other cell providers being lumped into this. I've never EVER had any problems with my other cell phones, including my 3GS when it was out of the case.

Quit defending apple. It was a stupid design decision like RIM said. Apple knows they ****ed up, hence the free bumpers/cases. If it's such a small percentage, why bother doing that?

Edit: Btw, who the **** holds their phone with 2 hands? Really people?

solarein
Jul 17, 2010, 09:53 AM
Try using two hands. I can drop from 4 bars to one in about 20 seconds every single time.

For crying out loud, do you look over your posts before you make them?

Hey guys! The 3GS has the same issue as the iPhone 4!
You can't reproduce it? Hold your hand around the entire bottom part! Yes, grip it tightly!
Still nothing? Use two hands!
Got it now? See? What did I tell you? Exact same problem!

bobr1952
Jul 17, 2010, 09:53 AM
I'm sure my Speck case is a pretty good insulator. I have never actually used my phone without it. The guy at the ATT store put it on when I bought the phone. I'm sure the same would happen if I bought a new phone--which would be nothing since I'm sure I would buy a case for that as well.

ouimetnick
Jul 17, 2010, 09:54 AM
It does happen outside of the USA. Look up other threads.

It seems to me everyone is missing the point in all of this. If you hold any phone in a "death grip" (stupid ass name), it may lose bars, but most won't lose service like the iPhone 4. The problem with the iPhone 4 is, you can put 1 finger in the wrong spot (READ: ONE FINGER) and you lose service. I would be pissed if I was RIM and other cell providers being lumped into this. I've never EVER had any problems with my other cell phones, including my 3GS when it was out of the case.

Quit defending apple. It was a stupid design decision like RIM said. Apple knows they ****ed up, hence the free bumpers/cases. If it's such a small percentage, why bother doing that?

Edit: Btw, who the **** holds their phone with 2 hands? Really people?

Because Apple "loves" their users.


:D/sarcasm/:rolleyes:

harry20larry
Jul 17, 2010, 09:58 AM
The problem is not that you can recreate it, every phone has this issue. I have gone to around 20 friends today as the pointed and laughed at my iPhone and recreated it on their phone.
It is where the antenna is located regards normal usage. Most phones position the antenna on the bottom rear side of the phone, this area is usually uncovered in normal usage.
With the iPhone 4, they put this contact point on the side of the phone, where people with left handed tendencies often cup the phone. This is when the antenna gate effect comes in. I am right handed so this does not affect me, and when I hold it in my left hand (as with my right), I don't cup it, I grip it with points of my fingers and my palm. But this is just my style. The only time I have problems is when I type in portraight mode with both my hands.
The simple hardware fix would be to move these gaps to the bottom of the phone where they would be in contact with the body far less.

ogdogg
Jul 17, 2010, 09:58 AM
For crying out loud, do you look over your posts before you make them?

Hey guys! The 3GS has the same issue as the iPhone 4!
You can't reproduce it? Hold your hand around the entire bottom part! Yes, grip it tightly!
Still nothing? Use two hands!
Got it now? See? What did I tell you? Exact same problem!

I don't have to use two hands. I'm just saying if you can't reproduce it using two hands you're a liar. Just trying to weed out the yous, I mean trolls.

King Luis
Jul 17, 2010, 09:59 AM
It does happen outside of the USA. Look up other threads.

It seems to me everyone is missing the point in all of this. If you hold any phone in a "death grip" (stupid ass name), it may lose bars, but most won't lose service like the iPhone 4. The problem with the iPhone 4 is, you can put 1 finger in the wrong spot (READ: ONE FINGER) and you lose service. I would be pissed if I was RIM and other cell providers being lumped into this. I've never EVER had any problems with my other cell phones, including my 3GS when it was out of the case.

Quit defending apple. It was a stupid design decision like RIM said. Apple knows they ****ed up, hence the free bumpers/cases. If it's such a small percentage, why bother doing that?

Edit: Btw, who the **** holds their phone with 2 hands? Really people?

kind of hard to find the other threads when there are a million of these ones and mods don't clean up the forums. also, its probably the 8th time i asked on different threads and no one replies...you sir were the first. :)

ouimetnick
Jul 17, 2010, 10:01 AM
The problem is not that you can recreate it, every phone has this issue. I have gone to around 20 friends today as the pointed and laughed at my iPhone and recreated it on their phone.
It is where the antenna is located regards normal usage. Most phones position the antenna on the bottom rear side of the phone, this area is usually uncovered in normal usage.
With the iPhone 4, they put this contact point on the side of the phone, where people with left handed tendencies often cup the phone. This is when the antenna gate effect comes in. I am right handed so this does not affect me, and when I hold it in my left hand (as with my right), I don't cup it, I grip it with points of my fingers and my palm. But this is just my style. The only time I have problems is when I type in portraight mode with both my hands.
The simple hardware fix would be to move these gaps to the bottom of the phone where they would be in contact with the body far less.

So they should still laugh. If you hold an iPhone 4 normaly, and it goes into Searching and drops the call, then thats due to Apple's failure. If other phones have this similar issue, but only happen when you hold the phone in a not normal way, so it wouldn't happen if you used the phone normally.

TMar
Jul 17, 2010, 10:09 AM
Try using two hands. I can drop from 4 bars to one in about 20 seconds every single time.

Your in idiot. My my 3gs I can get it to drop from 5 bars to 2 if I intensionally cup both hands over the bottom of the phone. Guess what. There is no way to use the phone in this manner. I'm just holding it not using it if I have both hands in this position. Holding it in a normal manner I see no drop in signal.

The iphone 4 on the other hand puts the "weak spot" right in contact with my palm when holding it in a natural manner. If this spot was on the top or even on the opposite side (but then that would screw left handed users) this would be a non-issue. This is why it's a design flaw, because it is so easily cover when holding in a natural manner.

harry20larry
Jul 17, 2010, 10:14 AM
So they should still laugh. If you hold an iPhone 4 normaly, and it goes into Searching and drops the call, then thats due to Apple's failure. If other phones have this similar issue, but only happen when you hold the phone in a not normal way, so it wouldn't happen if you used the phone normally.

You got it, essentially, it is a huge ergonomic cock up rather than an antenna flaw. However, most people a blinded by media stirring to care about the real problem.
The antenna is incredible, I am getting service in far more places now. The decided to position it in a stupid place, complete ergonomic failure...

ogdogg
Jul 17, 2010, 10:18 AM
Your in idiot.

You're complaining about an issue on a phone made of glass that can be fixed with a small piece of rubber and you're calling me an idiot? And to top it off, you write "your in idiot" instead of 'you're an idiot'? C'mon son.

jpcarro
Jul 17, 2010, 10:24 AM
Apple has successfully blurred the issue. Sure, many phones can drop bars when "blocking" the antenna locations with your hand(s). But that's not the issue is it? On the iPhone4, Apple located a gap between 2 "external" antennas in a spot where many people are likely to touch. This can cause the signal to weaken to the point of dropping calls. Throw on a case, and the iP4 is like any other phone. Without a case...design flaw. Hence the great case give-away.

TMar
Jul 17, 2010, 10:24 AM
You're complaining about an issue on a phone made of glass that can be fixed with a small piece of rubber and you're calling me an idiot? And to top it off, you write "your in idiot" instead of 'you're an idiot'? C'mon son.

Nice deflection to avoid the facts. Makes you even more of an idiot.

ogdogg
Jul 17, 2010, 10:44 AM
Nice deflection to avoid the facts. Makes you even more of an idiot.

You namecalling when you clearly can't comprehend the issue is pathetic.

wongster41
Jul 17, 2010, 11:00 AM
I just tried cupping the bottom of my 3GS to see what would happen for myself and was surprised to see it drop from 4 bars to 1 bar every time. I used that phone for 1 year without ever knowing a problem existed. The reception issues are overblown. Try it on any phone and see for yourself. I am now a believer.

give me a break.... the iPhone 3gs doesn't stop transmission to a halt by just touching it with one finger like the videos below. Stop drinking the apple koolaid and do some critical thinking


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNmXrVNeGzs&playnext_from=TL&videos=NyBkeUX7zp4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzn8QhrYIvI&playnext_from=TL&videos=akZbxrK-5i4

TMar
Jul 17, 2010, 11:02 AM
You namecalling when you clearly can't comprehend the issue is pathetic.

What's to comprehend? It take two hands on a 3gs to do what can easily be done with one finger on an iphone 4. It's not that it happens, it's how easily it is to reproduced in a natural manner. Plannetbeing has proven by looking at the signal strength directly from the baseband that there is an instant 16-20 dB drop with just one finger on the "weak spot".

Ashin
Jul 17, 2010, 11:03 AM
But the iPhone 4 actually drops calls when held like that, almost instantly - that is the major problem.

A slight drop in reception isn't a big issue however.

bluer101
Jul 17, 2010, 11:24 AM
Our original iPhones (my wife and I just upgraded) does the same thing as our ip4's. I noticed the problem years back while surfing on safari in a restaurant. I could cause the drop just about everywhere we would go. Now our ip4's I can also do it but it never drops below 1 bar.

The best thing about the newer phones are I get better service everywhere I go now then with my original phone. I used to drop calls more and no service a lot. The ip4 yet has not dropped a call or got no service. Yes this could be because of location too.

There has been many times traveling with the old phones to other parts of the country and get real terrible service, so I can sympathize with some of you guy. In the end you need to make the right decision for you and what makes you comfortable.

AZREOSpecialist
Jul 17, 2010, 11:28 AM
"Apple's attempt to draw RIM into Apple's self-made debacle is unacceptable. Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation. RIM is a global leader in antenna design and has been successfully designing industry-leading wireless data products with efficient and effective radio performance for over 20 years. During that time, RIM has avoided designs like the one Apple used in the iPhone 4 and instead has used innovative designs which reduce the risk for dropped calls, especially in areas of lower coverage. One thing is for certain, RIM's customers don't need to use a case for their BlackBerry smartphone to maintain proper connectivity. Apple clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw RIM and others into a situation that relates specifically to Apple."

- Mike Lazaridis and Jim Balsillie

Sounds like someone doesn't like the truth.

eckseid
Jul 17, 2010, 11:40 AM
Sounds like someone doesn't like the truth.

What truth? The fact that it takes an actual unnatural "death grip" (again, stupid ass name) to do it unlike the ip4 where it's just 1 finger gently pressed on the side of the phone?

One of the pictures that Jobs showed off on another phone is floating around. The guy's thumb is RED because of how hard he is holding it. People don't do that. If I'm holding the iPhone 4 in my hand and my finger accidentally goes onto one spot of the phone, it drops bars AND service.

Quit drinking the koolaid and open your damn eyes.

DeathChill
Jul 17, 2010, 11:46 AM
I can stop data transmission on my 3G by holding it naturally without a case. However, I step outside where I get better signal and I can't get it to stop. Weird.

ashVID
Jul 17, 2010, 12:03 PM
Ugh, for the umpteenth time... "death grip" will hurt any phones reception. IP4 can be TOUCHED in the wrong spot and the signal drop. I have the issue, fixed by a bumper, with normal RIGHT HANDED use. Apple openly stated the IP4 dropped more calls than the 3Gs. It's worth noting, that even with a bumper my IP4 drops more calls than my 3Gs did.



ash =o)

darngooddesign
Jul 17, 2010, 12:05 PM
I just tried cupping the bottom of my 3GS to see what would happen for myself and was surprised to see it drop from 4 bars to 1 bar every time. I used that phone for 1 year without ever knowing a problem existed. The reception issues are overblown. Try it on any phone and see for yourself. I am now a believer.

My 3GS only does it in very weak signal areas. The difference, for me, was that my 4 did it in strong signal areas while my 3GS won't.

Maskusee
Jul 17, 2010, 12:06 PM
Just updated to the 4.01.

My naked 3Gs is unaffected by any grip.

TMar
Jul 17, 2010, 12:11 PM
Just updated to the 4.01.

My naked 3Gs is unaffected by any grip.

Oh, it's effected but in your case not enough to lose any bars. That's what made field test mode so handy and a reason it's probably missing now.

DeathChill
Jul 17, 2010, 12:16 PM
Oh, it's effected but in your case not enough to lose any bars. That's what made field test mode so handy and a reason it's probably missing now.

Indeed. Try running Speed Test without gripping it, then grip it and try and start the test. On my 3G I have to release the grip before it connects, which gives me a ridiculous ping.

billinaz
Jul 17, 2010, 12:26 PM
I just tried cupping the bottom of my 3GS to see what would happen for myself and was surprised to see it drop from 4 bars to 1 bar every time. I used that phone for 1 year without ever knowing a problem existed. The reception issues are overblown. Try it on any phone and see for yourself. I am now a believer.

Same here, I was eating lunch with a friend when we had the discussion about the press conference.

I held my 3GS in my right hand covering the lower right portion of the phone. First I lost the bars, then data, and finally it went to 'searching'. Moved my hand... everything came right back.

My wife has been using her iPhone 4 since June 23rd..... no problems. Im able to duplicate the signal loss by placing my finger at the lower left antenna junction.....

But in daily use.... not a problem.

ogdogg
Jul 17, 2010, 12:27 PM
There are so many videos on YouTube confirming this issue on so many phones now that I find it hard to believe any intelligent person could be taking the stand that this is an iPhone 4 only problem. You people saying this doesn't happen on your other phones are simply lying to yourselves, or you have munchkin hands (which we all know what that means).

darngooddesign
Jul 17, 2010, 12:32 PM
There are so many videos on YouTube confirming this issue on so many phones now that I find it hard to believe any intelligent person could be taking the stand that this is an iPhone 4 only problem.
My work BB doesn't do it. My 3GS doesn't do it to the point of killing my signal and certainly doesn't do it in strong signal areas like my 4 did.

You people saying this doesn't happen on your other phones are simply lying to yourselves, or you have munchkin hands (which we all know what that means).
It means people are jealous of our large genitalia.

TMar
Jul 17, 2010, 12:33 PM
There are so many videos on YouTube confirming this issue on so many phones now that I find it hard to believe any intelligent person could be taking the stand that this is an iPhone 4 only problem. You people saying this doesn't happen on your other phones are simply lying to yourselves, or you have munchkin hands (which we all know what that means).

Once again. It isn't the fact that it happens it's how easily it happens and you are ignoring that. A 16-20 dB drop with the tip of a finger.

Maskusee
Jul 17, 2010, 12:45 PM
Indeed. Try running Speed Test without gripping it, then grip it and try and start the test. On my 3G I have to release the grip before it connects, which gives me a ridiculous ping.


You are right.

Did the Speed Test and as you mentioned, my up/download speeds are greatly affected by the grip on my 3Gs.

ravensfan55
Jul 17, 2010, 12:51 PM
Why is RIM throwing a piss fit? All they showed in the video is that no matter what phone you have, its possible to attenuate the signal by holding the phone in a manner which covers the location of the antenna.

Makaveliarts
Jul 17, 2010, 01:28 PM
Same here but my Deathgrip is on the left side like the iPhone 4. Haven't noticed until people started complaining about it. I had a few dropped calls occasionally. Maybe like 20 in total of the year I have owned the 3Gs

drumstyx
Aug 4, 2010, 02:30 AM
I'm not defending Apple in any way, but I honestly cannot get my 3GS to drop signal using 2 hands in ANY way. Though, granted, since updating, my signal has fluctuated between 2 to 5 bars on it's own just sitting there.