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MacBytes
Nov 14, 2004, 05:49 PM
Category: Opinion/Interviews
Link: Gates vs. Jobs: The Rematch (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20041114184917)
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Mudbug
Nov 14, 2004, 05:49 PM
ain't gotta register - mirror (http://home.sport.rr.com/mrmudbug/mr/gatesvjobs/GatesVJobs.html)

Chaszmyr
Nov 14, 2004, 06:11 PM
ain't gotta register - mirror (http://home.sport.rr.com/mrmudbug/mr/gatesvjobs/GatesVJobs.html)

That mirror only has page 1

williamsonrg
Nov 14, 2004, 06:20 PM
Registering is free anyway, and the NY Times is a good news source...

iLikeMyiMac
Nov 14, 2004, 06:25 PM
The forced registration is why I love bugmenot.com
I have their bookmarklet for Safari and their firefox entension.

Chaszmyr
Nov 14, 2004, 07:09 PM
News.com picked up the story (http://news.com.com/Gates+vs.+Jobs+The+rematch/2100-1027_3-5452014.html?tag=nefd.top)

Abstract
Nov 14, 2004, 08:21 PM
Yeah, my guess is that MS wins this one out if things are kept the way they are right now, and Apple is the only one selling music that's compatible with the iPod. Their marketshare is huge, but the market is so small that in 3 years, when the market is HUGE, things may not look remotely similar to the way it does now.

palusami
Nov 14, 2004, 08:24 PM
The forced registration is why I love bugmenot.com
I have their bookmarklet for Safari and their firefox entension.

cool website! thanks for the link! i hate dealing with these #$%@ websites that require registering! :)

winmacguy
Nov 14, 2004, 09:55 PM
quite an interesting article all 4 pages of it

macnulty
Nov 14, 2004, 10:38 PM
Registering is free anyway, and the NY Times is a good news source...

from bad circulation numbers to plagiarism to news stories from fake documents, a good news source just reports the news not create it.

onto topic: money for mp3 player is pure luxury for the consumer. it is not an ulitarian OS. for my money i want style and panache for my music, after all it doesn't have to run Word or Excel, just Blondie.

shamino
Nov 15, 2004, 02:32 PM
There's not much new here.

Apple's got the product everybody wants to buy. Microsoft says "just you wait - if Apple doesn't see things our way, we'll take the entire market from them."

Microsoft claims that people will prefer music rental over sales, even though rentals existed (and were hated by just about everybody) for several years before the iPod and iTMS came around.

Microsoft says that their standard gives customers more choice because there are more web stores selling WMA than AAC. But it's a bogus argument - a million stores that all sell the same thing for the same price does not give anybody any additional choices. You can choose who to give your money to, but you are still stuck with the same product. And if that product isn't what people want, even a billion people selling it won't help.

Back in the days of physical stores, you'd need a lot of outlets to move your product, because customers are not going to drive a long distance to go shopping. But with internet sales, all customers are equally close to all stores. One well-designed store that sells a popular product can easily beat out thousands of poorly-designed competitors selling an unpopular product.

Microsoft hasn't quite learned this yet. They're still thinking in terms of physical stores, where you need to get your product into millions of store shelves in order to sell millions of units.

Apple has learned this. They have one very well-designed store that has the best selection in the market and is selling what people want (music with the most liberal DRM in the business) and they are moving more product than all of the WMA-selling stores put together.

jaromski
Nov 15, 2004, 06:12 PM
There's not much new here.

Apple's got the product everybody wants to buy. Microsoft says "just you wait - if Apple doesn't see things our way, we'll take the entire market from them."

Microsoft claims that people will prefer music rental over sales, even though rentals existed (and were hated by just about everybody) for several years before the iPod and iTMS came around.

Microsoft says that their standard gives customers more choice because there are more web stores selling WMA than AAC. But it's a bogus argument - a million stores that all sell the same thing for the same price does not give anybody any additional choices. You can choose who to give your money to, but you are still stuck with the same product. And if that product isn't what people want, even a billion people selling it won't help.

Back in the days of physical stores, you'd need a lot of outlets to move your product, because customers are not going to drive a long distance to go shopping. But with internet sales, all customers are equally close to all stores. One well-designed store that sells a popular product can easily beat out thousands of poorly-designed competitors selling an unpopular product.

Microsoft hasn't quite learned this yet. They're still thinking in terms of physical stores, where you need to get your product into millions of store shelves in order to sell millions of units.

Apple has learned this. They have one very well-designed store that has the best selection in the market and is selling what people want (music with the most liberal DRM in the business) and they are moving more product than all of the WMA-selling stores put together.

i concur, well-put. even with the dot bomb the internet as a distribution channel is a _huge_ concept. and i am hoping microsoft won't steal apple's thunder on this one, but hey they did it before, and it's not like having a superior product guarantees you sales in the long run. see betamax/vhs, mac/pc; usw.

einstein had this figured out what is the quote "only two things have no bounds, the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former..." or something like that. people, on the whole, are chimps. well 51% at least, the other 48%....

jaromski

Fender2112
Nov 15, 2004, 08:11 PM
From the Times. Go to it Jobs. Make us proud.

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November 14, 2004




Gates vs. Jobs: The Rematch


By SAUL HANSELL


San Jose, Calif.

THE history of Apple Computer can be told through its advertisements as well as its products. There was, of course, the commercial that introduced the Macintosh. It was broadcast exactly once, during the 1984 Super Bowl, and signaled the company's bid to reclaim leadership in personal computers from I.B.M. and its tiny, little-known software partner, Microsoft.

Late last month, Steven P. Jobs, Apple's chairman, rented an ornate theater here to promote Apple's latest advertisement for its iPod music player - a crisp psychedelic montage of the Irish pop band U2 playing "Vertigo," a song from its next album. Unlike the 1984 commercial, this one is intended to help Apple preserve a big, and growing, lead in the marketplace.

Speaking just after the event, Bono, U2's lead singer, said the band was not charging Apple a penny to be in the ad. (The band says it had turned down as much as $23 million to use its music in other commercials.) In its three-year life, the iPod has achieved such "iconic value," Bono said, that U2 gets as much value as Apple does from the commercial, by promoting its music and the new Red and Black U2 edition of the iPod, for which the band gets royalties.

The iPod, Mr. Jobs boasted at the event, has become the "Walkman of the 21st century." It dominates its market in a way that no Apple product has done in a generation, raising the possibility that the company is becoming more than just a purveyor of computers with high design and low market share. If Apple continues to ride the wave of digital consumer electronics products, it may become the Sony of the 21st century.

For that to happen, however, Mr. Jobs must do what he failed to do last time: prevail over his old nemesis, Bill Gates, who sees entertainment as Microsoft's next great frontier. Microsoft is working hard to make sure that the iPod is less like the Walkman and more like the Betamax, Sony's videocassette format that was defeated in the marketplace by VHS.

A few days after Apple's U2 extravaganza, Mr. Gates, Microsoft's chairman, paced around his office overlooking the rolling hills of suburban Seattle and recalled another advertisement that Apple made 25 years ago. "When I.B.M. came out with their PC, Apple ran an ad saying, "Welcome,' " said Mr. Gates. "They haven't yet run the ad welcoming us into the music business.

"Apple should," he added.

But he isn't holding his breath. Instead, Microsoft is turning up the volume in the portable music business. And Mr. Gates makes no secret that he expects to beat Mr. Jobs in that market as convincingly as he did in personal computers.

In many ways, the story sounds eerily familiar. As was the case in computers, Apple has sprinted ahead in the music market with an innovative product, elegant design and tight links between its hardware and software. Plodding along after it is a vast army, organized by Microsoft, of rivals that may be less skillful than Apple but offer a broader array of options and cheaper prices.

IN music, Microsoft has rallied nearly every other manufacturer - like Dell, Samsung and Rio - to support a new version of Windows Media. That audio standard allows their gadgets to play songs bought from most music service companies, including America Online, Napster and RealNetworks, as well as its own new MSN Music store. Microsoft's campaign slogan for the services and players is "plays for sure."

The iPod cannot play songs from most other stores, and Apple's iTunes store won't sell songs for other players. Mr. Gates argues that consumers ultimately will want more choices. "There's nothing unique about music in terms of, do people want variety of fashion, do people want low price, do they want many distribution channels?" he said. "This story has played out on the PC and worked very well for the choice approach there."

Mr. Jobs rejects the comparison between the music players and computers. The Macintosh had an uphill battle, Apple says, because so many corporate customers already had applications based on Microsoft's operating system that they didn't want to abandon. By contrast, Apple's iTunes Music Store sells pretty much the same songs that the others do, but they cannot be moved onto non-Apple portable devices.

Most important, he points out, Apple's market share has actually increased over the last year, despite increasing competition. "We offer customers choice," he said during a news conference after the U2 event, answering a question about Microsoft's strategy. "They don't like the choices our customers are making."

Indeed, in the third quarter, some two million iPods were sold - more than all of its competitors combined, and more than double the pace of the second quarter. Market analysts and even rivals expect that Apple will sell more of them this Christmas season and continue to dominate the market into next year.

What happens next Christmas and beyond, however, is a matter of considerable debate. Microsoft fans say that other music players will begin to match Apple's features and styling, and with lower prices. They suggest that consumers, meanwhile, will want to buy music from stores other than iTunes.

"Over time, proprietary standards always lose because industry standards always win because you get more for less," said Michael A. George, the general manager of Dell's consumer business. Dell has just introduced a 5-gigabyte music player, using the Windows standard, for $199, some $50 less than Apple's iPod Mini, which has 4 gigabytes.

Microsoft is also betting that a new crop of subscription services, like Napster to Go, which let users fill up a music player with thousands of songs for a flat fee of $10 to $20 a month, will prove attractive to consumers. Mr. Jobs, by contrast, spent months convincing the record labels to allow Apple to sell songs one at a time for 99 cents each, and he argues that consumers prefer owning music to renting it.

"If you sit down next to me and say you have 1,000 songs and you pay $10 a month, how cool will I feel to say I paid $1,000 for 1,000 songs," asked Jonathan Sasse, the president of iRiver America, a subsidiary of ReignCom, a Korean maker of portable players that has endorsed Microsoft's format for subscription services.

Still, dethroning the iPod won't be easy. One reason is that none of the rival electronics companies have made a player that is nearly as attractive and easy to use. "It is not an MP3 player; it is just an iPod, and it's only made by Apple," said Frank Sadowski, the head of Amazon.com's consumer electronics department. The proportion of Amazon.com customers who buy iPods continues to increase, he added.

Again, Apple is bucking the trend. The classic Silicon Valley playbook calls for the company to try to turn its hit product into a broader "platform." And many people argue that Apple should open up both the iPod and iTunes to rivals, so as to establish itself in the center of the digital music world.

BUT Geoff Moore, who articulated the platform strategy in his 1999 book "Crossing the Chasm," argues that Apple is the rare company that should not follow his advice. Mr. Jobs, he said, has built the company around idiosyncratic, premium-priced products that gain appeal in part from their splendid isolation.

It's a risky strategy, Mr. Moore contends. "You are only as good as your latest hit," he said. "You know at some point you will miss a step."

But he says Apple is better off rolling the dice than trying to try to emulate Microsoft. "It is hard to change the DNA of a company, even if you have a great hand," he said. "There are some times that you say, 'there is a great opportunity here, but it is not for us.' "

There is no question that Apple has played the music business like a virtuoso, after ignoring the first several years of the online music boom. When Apple became interested in music players in 2001, it rejected the most common technology in the market, flash memory chips, which can make inexpensive players that can hold a few dozen songs. Rather, it latched onto an emerging design based on a hard drive that could hold thousands of songs.

Fender2112
Nov 15, 2004, 08:12 PM
A few hard-drive players already existed, but they were bulky. For the iPod's introduction, Apple bought the entire inventory of a new generation of smaller drives from Toshiba, making the iPod the sleekest hard-drive player in the market. This prevented rivals from offering the smaller players for months.

Since then, Apple has been quick to add new features. In the spring, it introduced the iPod Mini, based on 1-inch drives, and last month it introduced iPod Photo, with the ability to bore your friends with thousands of snapshots of your latest vacation on its small color screen. Each innovation was matched quickly by rivals, but Apple was able to cement its position in the minds of its consumers as the leader in online music.

It was helped even more by competitors' missteps. Sony, in theory, would have been the strongest rival, but it tripped over its own conflicting agendas. Sony's biggest bet in digital music was the MiniDisc, a popular format in Japan that never took off in the United States. And because it owned a major record label, Sony manufactured players that made it difficult to play MP3 files, the sort that were traded freely on file-sharing services.

The pioneers in the market were Rio (born as Diamond Multimedia) and Creative Technology, both makers of add-on sound cards for PC's. Neither had Apple's marketing savvy or budget. Samsung, for its part, chose to focus on the more lucrative cellphone and flat-panel television businesses, letting its MP3 business flounder.

Indeed, Apple has been able to keep its leading share even though its products are priced above similar models from rivals. Judging by its latest crop of products, Apple seems to believe that its profit margins can grow. The U2 iPod, for example, is priced at $349, or $50 more than an identical model with a white case. Adding the photo features to an iPod costs less than $20, competitors say, but Apple has been able to charge $100 extra for iPod Photo, over the $399 price of the comparable, music-only player.

"The iPod is an affordable luxury," said Michael Gartenberg, the research director of Jupiter Research. "It's not the cheapest player on the market, but you don't spend thousands of dollars extra to own one."

While Apple has not opened the iPod to other music stores, it did make an important decision to go after the broader market by building a version for Windows computers. And it reached an agreement with Hewlett-Packard for H-P to resell iPods and install iTunes software on its computers.

Microsoft has been developing the Windows Audio formats for nearly a decade as part of the media player built into Windows. It has long licensed these formats for use in portable players, and it recently added features for so-called digital rights management, which allow music labels to control who plays a song and under what circumstances. (Apple developed its own digital rights plan, called FairPlay, that also is intended to thwart digital piracy.)

As the underdog in audio technology, Microsoft has marshaled its formidable resources to get others behind its standard. For example, the fee that electronics companies pay to license the Windows Media format is about half of what the owners of MP3 charge. And Microsoft has offered all sorts of engineering help and marketing muscle to electronics companies and music service purveyors in return for their adopting the Windows formats.

"Microsoft made it worth our while to get them into our box," said Hugh Cooney, the president of Rio, a unit of D&M Holdings of Japan. Rio had been using software from RealNetworks. "They bring a whole suite of service to us, marketing, help with testing and engineering support," he said.

Not surprisingly, RealNetworks was not thrilled. Last year, it filed a $1 billion antitrust suit against Microsoft, accusing it of anticompetitive practices in the player software market. In the meantime, RealNetworks has largely abandoned that business to focus on selling subscription music and video services.

Microsoft also raised hackles recently when it started its MSN Music Store to compete with companies like Napster that it had been courting for years. That isn't so unusual for Microsoft, its executives say. The company often finds itself both competing and cooperating, they say, with companies in the software business.

For the most part, though, the music world, from the electronics companies to the music labels, has embraced Microsoft. "I never would have believed I would say this, but Microsoft has been easy to work with," said Ted Cohen, a senior vice president at EMI Recorded Music.

One reason that Microsoft can be so accommodating is that it does not need to make money on media software, as RealNetworks does. It does sell operating systems for telephones, personal digital assistants and television set-top boxes. But all of these are meant first and foremost to encourage people to buy more and more powerful PC's, each with Windows.

"The key to all this is that in the end, the consumer gets a great experience with digital entertainment that the PC makes better," said Will Poole, the senior vice president of Microsoft's Windows client division.

Many other PC makers, like H-P, Dell and Gateway, see their futures in consumer electronics and have started making devices like cameras, flat-screen televisions and music players. They also hope to sell more computers, based on Microsoft's Media Center software, to power home entertainment systems.

Apple's leading position with the iPod, marketing experts say, could give it a leg up in these other markets. That is why some analysts are puzzled that Apple's sleek new iMac, a computer built into a flat-panel display, does not record and play television shows the way a Media Center PC does.

Mr. Jobs declines to discuss his product plans. He has been openly contemptuous of attempts to add video playback to hard-drive music players, as Microsoft has with its new design called Portable Media Center. And other Apple executives pointed out that the Media Center PC had not been a success in the market until recently, and that Apple tried to sell computers with TV tuners in them a few years ago, with disappointing results.

Longtime Apple watchers say they recognize a pattern. In the past, they say, Mr. Jobs has often dismissed a market as irrelevant before introducing just such a product, with a great flourish. He then explains that he has solved the problems his lesser competitors couldn't. It worked stunningly well with music. And many expect that he will try again, with some products related to television.

MICROSOFT, however, cares far less about music than it does about television, a much bigger market. It has attacked it from many sides - not only with the Media Center PC and Portable Media Center, but with software for cable boxes, WebTV and the Xbox video game system. None of these have left Microsoft with a position in television that is even slightly similar to its chokehold on computers. (And it's not clear that Hollywood and the cable companies would like that to happen.) But the company has patience that is almost as deep as its pocketbooks.

So it is easy to imagine, a few years from now, that an elegant, hip Apple digital television product will be battling for the home entertainment market against a much larger army of rivals using various forms of Microsoft software. "It's a classic one," Mr. Gates said. "Apple has always been a hardware company. I think Apple will do things the Apple way, and Microsoft will do things the Microsoft way. I'd say the long-term factors all favor our approach."