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Dagless
Jul 23, 2010, 04:09 AM
In 2002 we could get 512kbs broadband
In 2004 to now we got 512kbps-1mbps broadband.
Neither have been good because of how far we are from the exchange, a packet loss rate of 50%, ping of 60-1600.

On Tuesday we finally get BT Infinity! They told us our minimum speed would be 21mbps, but I've heard they always claim that but with actual speeds at 40mbps. I don't care so long as its in double figures!
Our upload speed will also go from 25kbps to 10mbps. But more importantly it's the promise is decent ping, no more packet loss and no dropped connections at peak hours that makes me a jolly.

Has anyone else signed up?


I know other countries are on mega connections. This is for us rural Brits who finally get a decent connection where Virgin dare not tread, huzzah!

hsotnicam8002
Jul 24, 2010, 12:07 AM
In 2002 we could get 512kbs broadband
In 2004 to now we got 512kbps-1mbps broadband.
Neither have been good because of how far we are from the exchange, a packet loss rate of 50%, ping of 60-1600.

On Tuesday we finally get BT Infinity! They told us our minimum speed would be 21mbps, but I've heard they always claim that but with actual speeds at 40mbps. I don't care so long as its in double figures!
Our upload speed will also go from 25kbps to 10mbps. But more importantly it's the promise is decent ping, no more packet loss and no dropped connections at peak hours that makes me a jolly.

Has anyone else signed up?


I know other countries are on mega connections. This is for us rural Brits who finally get a decent connection where Virgin dare not tread, huzzah!As usual I don't see our exchange or nearest village/town anywhere on the details. The only fibre optics we're likely to see will be on our Christmas tree in December!

stridemat
Jul 24, 2010, 03:06 AM
Ahhh man I'm not on the list!I don't think where I live will ever get faster than 512kb/s 'broadband'. Slightly jealous of that new download speed you will be getting.

millar876
Jul 24, 2010, 05:15 AM
Where's this list, ive registered my interest but I don't see the Peterhead exchange getting fibber anytime soon.

My street is completely random and crap for broadband. I get a steady 512/256kbps up/down speed, the guy across the road can some,times get 1.7mbps, the guy through the wall from him gets 0.7 mbps on average, my neighbours through the wall gets 600kbps and my neighbours across the driveway get 256kbps. Through the wall from them it's back up to 512kbps.

Wheras my inlays in kilmarnock live a few hundred yards from the exchange, get 18.7mbps broadband and check emails once a week and then go on Facebook, and that is literally all they use it for. They wanted to do video chats with us so they could see our wee girl more BUT Skype is too complicated for them.

Anyhoo I want to get BT infinity, it will probably never happen here, but I'll settle for BT sorting out the street and getting us descent copper broadband, byt that,ll probably never happen either
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Dagless
Jul 24, 2010, 06:26 AM
Some other nearby areas have had access to Infinity for a couple of months now. We had some serious line problems (which they attempted to fix, couldn't, BT vanished and now dispel any problems), during which an engineer told us the main road had full 40mbps. Which is just 100 metres or so from us!

The rollout seems quite staggered and patchy. My friends house down the road can't get Infinity!

The map is linked on this page. (http://www.productsandservices.bt.com:80/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=29017&tduid=ad6e678c5b6458a0bc2885cfe525d1be&vendorid=TDG&s_cid=s_cid%3dcon_cic_aff_tradedoubler_vidTDG_broadband)

I have been hearing about bandwidth limits. That the 100gb limit from BT's old service is still enforced, but because its such a new service and people are complaining they're considering raising the limit.

T-minus 4 days!

Kebabselector
Jul 25, 2010, 06:28 PM
As usual I don't see our exchange or nearest village/town anywhere on the details.

I'm just on the outskirts of Birmingham and no sign of it coming here in a hurry. I'll have to stick with ADSL2 for a while. I suppose 5/6mb d/l and .6 upload with old ADSL1 equipment isn't too bad considering.

steviem
Jul 26, 2010, 05:57 AM
I'm on Bethere and I've just checked whether my exchange can do BT Infinty.

It will be ready in September, but they say I can get BT Total Broadband now with an estimated speed of......

1mbps

That's pretty damn poor. I'm getting 16/2.5 at the moment with Bethere. I would probably wait for them to come out with a Fibre solution before upgrading to it.

JonathanU
Jul 26, 2010, 07:55 AM
Weird - I'm with BT now (switched from Bulldog - huge mistake) and it says that BT infinity will be available in my area on 30 September, but when I put my number in, it says I'll only get broadband of upto 3mg on the 29th November (which is basically what I have now).

danielcox
Jul 26, 2010, 10:20 AM
Not quick enough, they should have been testing this 10 years ago. Now they've been caught with their trousers down and web traffic is doing nothing but vastly increasing.

hsotnicam8002
Jul 27, 2010, 01:37 AM
Not quick enough, they should have been testing this 10 years ago. Now they've been caught with their trousers down and web traffic is doing nothing but vastly increasing.Where did all their money go? Remember, they used to own Cellnet (now O2) and their own security company (Telecom Security, that they sold - yet they have started another one recently - beggars belief). They are a dinosaur and the management AND staff need a rocket up their asses!

McScooby
Jul 27, 2010, 03:52 AM
Had it for a couple of months and yes you are correct re: the speed. I originally tested 19mb on the website, in reality though, my thoroughput was set at 46 down and 15 up, although this has been changed to 38.7 down and 10 up as the service doesn't officially take higher speeds yet. They anticipate it should go to 60 down in the not too distant future, I'm also eagerly awaiting FTTH that's currently being trialled in Milton Keynes which is 100 down.
Unlike Virgin, Infinity is uncontended back to the exchange from the cab, so even on peak times the speed drops to 32ish down.
The unofficiai download limit of 100gb is still in place, but I've still yet to hit it, and even so, the speed is only restricted at peak to 2mb and other times runs at full, so it won't be too much of burden.
With regards to BT's money, BT made a loss when they sold Cellnet, the company took the hit on the loss of the 3g licences that were bought and sold the company debt free to mm02, which later became 02 under the ownership of telefonica.
As far as I can tell the higher speeds that Virgin are trialling involve using bonded channels so they're 100mb service is 2x50mb, 200 is 4x50 etc, so in the long run I believe that BT should come out in top as the service is shared at the exchange and not the cab which virgin have no control over, time will tell!!

niuniu
Jul 27, 2010, 04:38 AM
I switched to o2 3 months ago on a 12 month contract so I won't be going back to BT until next year if the reviews are good.

My download speeds on torrents were rubbish with BT, now I get 200-350 as a norm with o2, with BT a good speed on something like Vuze was around 40 to 50, maybe peaking occasionally at 100 for a short while.

Will be interesting to see how Infinity works out in practice.

Queso
Jul 27, 2010, 04:43 AM
Fastest we can get at the moment is 20Mbps with O2. There's no Virgin cables in our building and as we have a communal Sky dish it's unlikely they'll be enough takers to justify Virgin installing the fibres.

Pretty crappy considering we have a WC1 postcode (i.e. the absolute Centre of Central London).

danielcox
Jul 27, 2010, 06:20 AM
That's probably why you're not getting any cable. Imagine the effort having to go through to dig up bits of central London.

Queso
Jul 27, 2010, 06:49 AM
That's probably why you're not getting any cable. Imagine the effort having to go through to dig up bits of central London.
If you lived here you'd not think it difficult. Every company in the city seems to be doing it, simultaneously and constantly. And of course Boris, like Ken before him, was going to sort all that out :p

The Virgin cables are actually run down our street, just not into our building.

Dagless
Jul 27, 2010, 08:04 AM
Before and after speeds attached.
It's all very fast. Ping is very low too, I normally get 50-60 ping in TF2, now i'm getting 9.

My only beef is with the wifi range on the BT Hub. It's not that great and its limiting the speed of other computers in the house. 5mbps in the furthest corners! Time to centralise it I guess.

Queso
Jul 27, 2010, 08:05 AM
Wow. That's quite the speed difference. You'll be downloading all day :)

niuniu
Jul 27, 2010, 08:07 AM
Does look impressive

Dagless
Jul 27, 2010, 11:11 AM
So far so good! There's no slowdown at all during peak hours. It's 5pm now and my downloads are flying down at 4mb. It's as if you're copying files off a USB stick or something :D.

I'm still not happy with BT's "fair use" policy. If they haven't shifted from 100gb when our contract is up for renewal we'll switch to another FTTC provider.

RedTomato
Jul 27, 2010, 01:20 PM
Can't wait for it to come to my company. We're in the heart of the London East End, 2 minutes from Whitechapel Tube, within sight of half the towers of the financial district, and what do we get?

A crappy 4mb down on a good day! That's shared between 15 staff here and the boss wants me to roll out a WAN backbone to 5 regional offices, all over this tiny struggling line, which is also shared with our fax machine...

There's 3 BT OpenReach vans outside at the moment, with engineers busy working away, but will they speak to me? Bollocks no.

stridemat
Jul 27, 2010, 01:51 PM
Before and after speeds attached.
It's all very fast. Ping is very low too, I normally get 50-60 ping in TF2, now i'm getting 9.

My only beef is with the wifi range on the BT Hub. It's not that great and its limiting the speed of other computers in the house. 5mbps in the furthest corners! Time to centralise it I guess.

Very jealous! I miss being able to do even the most simple of tasks such as watch iPlayer.

Edit*

http://www.speedtest.net/result/893915147.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

O yeah baby....we're looking good :rolleyes: Does this even class as 'broadband'?

hippyharry
Jul 29, 2010, 03:27 AM
I get 4mbit with O2 at the moment living about 1800metres away from the exchange (as the crow flies)

The exchange down the road from me in Bothwell will be switched onto BT Infinity from 30th September, but im on the Blantyre exchange, so no chance of getting onto that unless i move, which im not going to do!

Would be nice to see BT announcing when more of the Scottish Exchanges will be switched on as the last update of about 260 exchanges were all England and Wales. :(

I saw a guy on plusnet trialling the FTTP and was getting something like 77mbit downstream and 15mbit upstream. Thats mental speeds..especially for your own home.

7031
Jul 31, 2010, 09:24 AM
I'm on Bethere and I've just checked whether my exchange can do BT Infinty.

It will be ready in September, but they say I can get BT Total Broadband now with an estimated speed of......

1mbps

That's pretty damn poor. I'm getting 16/2.5 at the moment with Bethere. I would probably wait for them to come out with a Fibre solution before upgrading to it.
BT uses traffic shaping and generally is a pretty poor ISP.

Bethere here too, easily the best ISP I've used.

http://www.speedtest.net/rank/3168546025.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Queso
Jul 31, 2010, 10:49 AM
I spent nearly an hour on the phone with TalkTalk TV support on Thursday (at 10p a minute :rolleyes:) after my broadband refused to get a DHCP address. Whatever the engineer did seems to have pushed my speed back up. For the past year or so it's been steadily decreasing and was averaging out at around 3.5Mbps download which is abysmal for central London where you're never that far from the exchange, but I'm now getting nearly 7.5Mbps. So for those of you getting crap speeds they may be able to boost the DSL signal strength and give you a bit of an increase.

Dagless
Jul 31, 2010, 05:03 PM
BT uses traffic shaping and generally is a pretty poor ISP.

Yup. The moment a better ISP uses FTTC and when our contract is up we will be switching, unless they drop both their traffic shaping and ludicrously low bandwidth limit in the mean time. Until then this is still insanely quick, shaping or no shaping.

Another trick to get some extra speed is to install (what BT call) an i-Plate. We didn't notice any difference, but friends have reported speed increases of 0.5-1mb.

xUKHCx
Jul 31, 2010, 05:17 PM
Very jealous! I miss being able to do even the most simple of tasks such as watch iPlayer.

Edit*

http://www.speedtest.net/result/893915147.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

O yeah baby....we're looking good :rolleyes: Does this even class as 'broadband'?

Hell I was getting about that with a dongle from 3

http://www.speedtest.net/result/853017155.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

But then upgraded to 10 mbps from Virgin.

We live only about 200m from the telephone exchange so would've got very high speeds from telephone line however it isn't activated and the people at BT wanted to charge 130 to put a new one in, yeah right :rolleyes:

I could get up to 50 from Virgin however can't justify the cost as 10 is plenty fast enough at the moment.

stridemat
Aug 2, 2010, 05:31 AM
Hell I was getting about that with a dongle from 3

But then upgraded to 10 mbps from Virgin.

We live only about 200m from the telephone exchange so would've got very high speeds from telephone line however it isn't activated and the people at BT wanted to charge 130 to put a new one in, yeah right :rolleyes:

I could get up to 50 from Virgin however can't justify the cost as 10 is plenty fast enough at the moment.

I wish I could use a dongle, but alas Im in a no 3G zone. If Im lucky I will sometimes get a phone signal!

Im slightly jealous of anything near 10mbps!

Dagless
Aug 3, 2010, 07:10 AM
The honeymoon is over. Speeds have dropped to 21mb (or so), upload at 2-5mb. Worse than that are the connection cuts that happen every 10-30 seconds and last for 1-2 seconds no matter what OS, computer I'm using or how close I am to the router. Which makes streaming media and playing online games impossible.

Did a real world test too. Downloaded TF2 (8gb) in 40 minutes so it certainly has speed still.

Queso
Aug 3, 2010, 07:19 AM
Interesting. Unlikely to be traffic shaping with those intervals, since that works in portions of a second rather than minutes. It would be interesting to see what their switch configurations are.

Dagless
Aug 31, 2010, 07:14 PM
Word on the street is BT have increased the FUP to 300gb for Infinity customers. That's a bit better than the 100gb before but still - since there's virtually no traffic locally because of the fibreoptics shouldn't it be unlimited? You'd hit 300gb in 16 hours after all!

allmIne
Sep 2, 2010, 02:47 PM
Thanks for this! We're now moving from our 1mb to 15.9mb! Thought we'd never get any faster!

A little put off by your negative observations, OP, though to be honest, TalkTalk is pants where we are. So it can only be an improvement...

robbieduncan
Dec 13, 2010, 09:00 AM
I've just had this installed. Been using the connection without any cutting out just fine. And it's fast :D

stridemat
Dec 13, 2010, 10:39 AM
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I've just had this installed. Been using the connection without any cutting out just fine. And it's fast :D

How fast is fast?

robbieduncan
Dec 13, 2010, 10:41 AM
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How fast is fast?

4.5 Megabytes per second fast (actual download speed I've seen). The max I got off ADSL with a 8Megabit connection was 0.8 Megabytes per second.

stridemat
Dec 13, 2010, 10:45 AM
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How fast is fast?

4.5 Megabytes per second fast (actual download speed I've seen). The max I got off ADSL with a 8Megabit connection was 0.8 Megabytes per second.

Very impressive!

Dagless
Dec 13, 2010, 11:28 AM
Oh sweet another one :D.
Yea all our problems come from the line from the exchange to our house. A few local buddies have infinity and it's *ahem* infinity better for them.

Congrats on the full speed too. I only get 2.5mbps download now but it's still crazy fast (HD TV shows down in 15 minutes, SD in 5 mins).

Matty-p
Dec 13, 2010, 12:23 PM
Had it for a couple of months and yes you are correct re: the speed. I originally tested 19mb on the website, in reality though, my thoroughput was set at 46 down and 15 up, although this has been changed to 38.7 down and 10 up as the service doesn't officially take higher speeds yet. They anticipate it should go to 60 down in the not too distant future, I'm also eagerly awaiting FTTH that's currently being trialled in Milton Keynes which is 100 down.
Unlike Virgin, Infinity is uncontended back to the exchange from the cab, so even on peak times the speed drops to 32ish down.
The unofficiai download limit of 100gb is still in place, but I've still yet to hit it, and even so, the speed is only restricted at peak to 2mb and other times runs at full, so it won't be too much of burden.
With regards to BT's money, BT made a loss when they sold Cellnet, the company took the hit on the loss of the 3g licences that were bought and sold the company debt free to mm02, which later became 02 under the ownership of telefonica.
As far as I can tell the higher speeds that Virgin are trialling involve using bonded channels so they're 100mb service is 2x50mb, 200 is 4x50 etc, so in the long run I believe that BT should come out in top as the service is shared at the exchange and not the cab which virgin have no control over, time will tell!!
i live in a village about 10 mins away from mk i get max of 1 mbs while they get 100 for about the same price. im thinking befriend house owner in mk wimax or heavy duty wifi or p2p to my house :)

Matty-p
Dec 13, 2010, 12:24 PM
Oh sweet another one :D.
Yea all our problems come from the line from the exchange to our house. A few local buddies have infinity and it's *ahem* infinity better for them.

Congrats on the full speed too. I only get 2.5mbps download now but it's still crazy fast (HD TV shows down in 15 minutes, SD in 5 mins).

2.5 ???? did you mean 25 or do you mean mega bytes

R94N
Dec 13, 2010, 03:33 PM
I think my town is very well serviced in terms of Internet connection speeds, although to be honest I don't know much about it. We're with TalkTalk. But I do think it's great that at least some more remote villages and towns are finally getting decent speed Internet, or even actually their first Internet connection more suited for what we do now online today, what with streaming and suchlike. We get through lots of data ;)

Kebabselector
Dec 14, 2010, 04:30 PM
Yay, voted for Stechford in the race to infinity. I was vote 60 out of a potential 23000 odd. Looks as if we're last on the list then!

Kissaragi
Dec 14, 2010, 04:46 PM
I get about 20mb on talk talk so im lucky, Cant wait until bt infinity covers most of the country tho (and options for other isps)

stridemat
Dec 14, 2010, 04:47 PM
Yay, voted for Stechford in the race to infinity. I was vote 60 out of a potential 23000 odd. Looks as if we're last on the list then!

Not quite last. The exchange serving my area does not have enough connected premises, thus not even eligible :(.

Kebabselector
Dec 14, 2010, 05:39 PM
That is crap. One day we shall have decent internet speed over BT cabling.

Not going anywhere near Virgin Cable either - I know they are quicker (than my current 4.5mb), but i'm not having their cowboy engineers digging up my driveway.

McScooby
Dec 14, 2010, 08:13 PM
I get about 20mb on talk talk so im lucky, Cant wait until bt infinity covers most of the country tho (and options for other isps)

BT Infinity is a BT Retail branded service which they get from Openreach / BT Wholesale, any isp that wants to use this, can as of today do so, the only ones as far as i know are BTRetail, zen, aaisp and I think sky are trialling it, talk talk however will start doing so in jan, link;

https://sales.talktalk.co.uk/products/broadband/fibre-optic/

LouisBlack
Dec 15, 2010, 05:31 AM
Worse than that are the connection cuts that happen every 10-30 seconds and last for 1-2 seconds no matter what OS, computer I'm using or how close I am to the router. Which makes streaming media and playing online games impossible.

I've got a similar problem with the FTTP service I'm trialling. I get about 35Mbps down and 30Mbps up so speed isn't the issue. It seems it just drops for about 30 seconds every 10 or so minutes.

It's not a problem for things like Youtube that have a large cache but with iPlayer it just stops suddenly. I haven't even tried online gaming but I can imagine that's a no go with this issue.