John Gruber is teasing us [Archive]

FrenchKheldar

Jul 26, 2010, 12:41 PM

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/07/26/the-talk-show-returns

"We’ll have much to talk about, what with the new Mac Pros (finally, right?), speed-bump iMacs, and the gorgeous new 16:9 27-inch Cinema Display that Apple might hypothetically release tomorrow."

Evil John, even though he sometimes has inside sources... I'll believe it when I'll see it though !

ValSalva

Jul 26, 2010, 12:51 PM

Umbongo

Jul 26, 2010, 12:52 PM

We'll know for real in about 15 hours. Seems like teasing though. All signs point toward September. But I'd love to be wrong about that :D

Which signs point to September?

ValSalva

Jul 26, 2010, 01:06 PM

Which signs point to September?

Yeah, I don't have the time to look up all the references but from what I remember there have been multiple 'sources' saying September. I wish I had a photographic memory (my memory is more like RAM - it's all gone when the power goes off) and I hope the September rumor is wrong and it's really July 27th :D

rajbonham

Jul 26, 2010, 01:07 PM

I have no idea what, but it's reeaally starting to sound like something (multiple things?) will be updated tomorrow...

apolloa

Jul 26, 2010, 01:08 PM

We'll know for real in about 15 hours. Seems like teasing though. All signs point toward September. But I'd love to be wrong about that :D

What signs? The ONLY sings we have had are the rumours that are now on the front page, and that would normally indicate (going on how every other update has gone) an imminent releases.

What proof do you have to go against that and show a September update? I haven't read ANYTHING on here other then personal opinions to say an update will be September.

Umbongo

Jul 26, 2010, 01:09 PM

Yeah, I don't have the time to look up all the references but from what I remember there have been multiple 'sources' saying September. I wish I had a photographic memory (my memory is more like RAM - it's all gone when the power goes off) and I hope the September rumor is wrong and it's really July 27th :D

September rumour is rooted in a very inaccurate blog post on a mac site, don't worry, all the actual credible rumours indicate tomorrow.

canyonblue737

Jul 26, 2010, 01:21 PM

For those that don't know when Gruber teases like this it because he has been tipped off, by his sources at Apple that IMHO extend almost to the exec level. The new Pros and a 27 inch Cinema Display WILL be released tommorow.

Brien

Jul 26, 2010, 01:26 PM

So who thinks the Pros will get a new external design?

DualShock

Jul 26, 2010, 01:36 PM

I tend to believe Mr. Gruber.

Back in May he did the same thing when he hinted at extensions support in Safari 5, that turned out to be true.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/25/chrome-beta

sigmadog

Jul 26, 2010, 01:42 PM

"Credible Rumours"

I love that term. Sounds like a band name.

Icaras

Jul 26, 2010, 02:10 PM

Damn and I just ordered my refurb ACD 24" and it arrives on Wednesday. Anyone here think the 24" might see a price drop as a result of the 27" ACD entering the market? And if so, if I called Apple, would they discount my refurb?

macpro2000

Jul 26, 2010, 02:13 PM

The 24" will prob go down to $699.

DualShock

Jul 26, 2010, 02:14 PM

Damn and I just ordered my refurb ACD 24" and it arrives on Wednesday. Anything here think the 24" might see a price drop as a result of the 27" ACD entering the market? And if so, if I called Apple, would they discount my refurb?

If the new models really do come out, definitely worth a shot. I believe Apple has been known to do such things in the past.

xgman

Jul 26, 2010, 02:20 PM

Update: Gruber later updated his post to also make mention of Apple's Magic Trackpad, a product that is believed to have recently received FCC approval, though no photographs of the tested Bluetooth device are available. The report said that the potential release of the trackpad is "doubly hypothetical."

ValSalva

Jul 26, 2010, 02:37 PM

I tend to believe Mr. Gruber.

Back in May he did the same thing when he hinted at extensions support in Safari 5, that turned out to be true.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/25/chrome-beta

I'd like to believe him too. But isn't this a bit too daring for him, no pun intended? If he posts insider information like this isn't he at risk of pissing off or losing his Apple contacts? Maybe he is just teasing. I hope he's right though. Tomorrow could be very exciting.

Icaras

Jul 26, 2010, 02:37 PM

The 24" will prob go down to $699.

If the new models really do come out, definitely worth a shot. I believe Apple has been known to do such things in the past.

Nice, that gives me hope. They better release these products tomorrow so I don't go waiting out the 14 day return window!

Update: Gruber later updated his post to also make mention of Apple's Magic Trackpad, a product that is believed to have recently received FCC approval, though no photographs of the tested Bluetooth device are available. The report said that the potential release of the trackpad is "doubly hypothetical."

Great news, er, i mean rumor. Sounds like a complete package for the working professional/prosumer: new Mac Pro, 27" ACD, and a magic trackpad. Time for Apple to squash all these anti-pro-market theories and make us believers again tomorrow!

DualShock

Jul 26, 2010, 02:49 PM

I'd like to believe him too. But isn't this a bit too daring for him, no pun intended? If he posts insider information like this isn't he at risk of pissing off or losing his Apple contacts? Maybe he is just teasing. I hope he's right though. Tomorrow could be very exciting.

Last week he referred to his "payola rep" at Apple in this article:

http://daringfireball.net/2010/07/lyons

where he was asked by this "payola rep" to write an article to dispute Dan Lyons's critique about the iPhone 4. However, he refused to do so, because he felt Lyons's article had merit.

So clearly he does have connections at Apple, and he is definitely an Apple supporter. However he also does criticize them for some of their more questionable or bone-headed decisions, and doesn't apparently suffer from doing so. (He was also at the iPhone "Antennagate" press conference, whether by direct invite or otherwise.) So I don't think this "leak" of sorts would affect his standing with Apple, even though these two scenarios are not directly related.

xgman

Jul 26, 2010, 02:55 PM

Time for Apple to squash all these anti-pro-market theories and make us believers again tomorrow!

+1 . . . . , well, unless . . . . ;)

Block

Jul 26, 2010, 03:07 PM

So what are the chances of it only being a processor and video card update?

DualShock

Jul 26, 2010, 03:12 PM

So what are the chances of it only being a processor and video card update?

If the new Xeon chips (assuming Apple didn't jump into bed with AMD) have the same pinouts as the old ones, and can use the same chipset, it's likely. But what's the use in that?

I'm guessing they'd be adding in some new stuff like USB 3.0 and SATA 6 Gbps, so probably it'll be a more significant update. Though they may use the same case and general internal design, since they didn't change it from 2006 --> 2008.

I'm also hoping that the new graphics cards (*cough* 5870 *cough*) will work with 2008 Mac Pro's, which I currently have. They've been known in the past to pull a fast one on Mac Pro owners with respect to this. Knowing Apple, they'll probably sneak in some wacky stuff like EFI128 or PCIe 3.0 required or whatever.

slughead

Jul 26, 2010, 03:24 PM

So what are the chances of it only being a processor and video card update?

ONLY??

What more do you need?

I'd be nice to have a case design and mobo with more hard drives/eSATA/microphone port/more USB ports/dual 16xPCIe/small HD capability (raptors/SSD)/BluRay/USB 3.0/Firewire 1600...

but apart from that WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED??

xgman

Jul 26, 2010, 03:28 PM

ONLY??

What more do you need?

I'd be nice to have a case design and mobo with more hard drives/eSATA/microphone port/more USB ports/dual 16xPCIe/small HD capability (raptors/SSD)/BluRay/USB 3.0/Firewire 1600...

but apart from that WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED??

a built in iphone dock. :rolleyes: (just kidding)

Umbongo

Jul 26, 2010, 03:29 PM

slughead

Jul 26, 2010, 03:31 PM

More memory slots? Support for 1333MHz DIMMs.

okay so apart from not having more hard drives/eSATA/microphone port/more USB ports/dual 16xPCIe/small HD capability (raptors/SSD)/BluRay/USB 3.0/Firewire 1600/1333mhz DIMMs / not enough RAM slots, we all agree that the Mac pro is perfect and that we are blessed Apple's considering even updating the product.

DualShock

Jul 26, 2010, 03:32 PM

okay so apart from not having more hard drives/eSATA/microphone port/more USB ports/dual 16xPCIe/small HD capability (raptors/SSD)/BluRay/USB 3.0/Firewire 1600/1333mhz DIMMs / not enough RAM slots, we all agree that the Mac pro is perfect and that we are blessed Apple's considering even updating the product.

Well they could make the price lower. :D

oilfighter

Jul 26, 2010, 05:05 PM

Well they could make the price lower. :D

amen to that

rajbonham

Jul 26, 2010, 05:55 PM

Hmm... I stumbled across some Twitter findings from Mr. Gruber. Looks like there probably won't be a Mac Pro case redesign, but then again, is that really a surprise?

@brandonkelly: "Taking @gruber’s leak to mean that tomorrow we’re going to see the biggest Mac Pro redesign since the original G5"

@gruber: "@brandonkelly I have no idea what they look like, but I'd bet the external design is unchanged."

Cynicalone

Jul 26, 2010, 06:15 PM

rajbonham

Jul 26, 2010, 06:20 PM

Usually these are intentional leaks.

We'll know in a few hours. But it does make sense the update would happen soon.

Apple would probably like to avoid September since that is normally reserved for iPods and iTunes.

I'm not going to lie, I think this is a VERY intentional leak. Type in "John Gruber" on Google. There are a TON of news sources who have picked this story up.

Textbook Apple marketing right there, use Monday (a slow news day) to build buzz, then release your products the next day.

psychometry

Jul 26, 2010, 06:39 PM

Anyone remember what time the store went down when they updated the Mac Minis?

Brien

Jul 26, 2010, 06:44 PM

beto2k7

Jul 26, 2010, 06:47 PM

Figures. Wonder if they'll ever redesign the case.

I hope they won't. The enclosure is super sexy... I don't you but for me it was one of the reasons I got my mac pro... nice quality good looking build

rhett7660

Jul 26, 2010, 06:49 PM

What a tease....

I hope they don't do anything to the case. Just my opinion.

Warbitrary

Jul 26, 2010, 06:58 PM

Last week he referred to his "payola rep" at Apple in this article:

http://daringfireball.net/2010/07/lyons

where he was asked by this "payola rep" to write an article to dispute Dan Lyons's critique about the iPhone 4. However, he refused to do so, because he felt Lyons's article had merit.

So clearly he does have connections at Apple, and he is definitely an Apple supporter. However he also does criticize them for some of their more questionable or bone-headed decisions, and doesn't apparently suffer from doing so. (He was also at the iPhone "Antennagate" press conference, whether by direct invite or otherwise.) So I don't think this "leak" of sorts would affect his standing with Apple, even though these two scenarios are not directly related.

OMFG… the entire article is sarcasm from start to finish. He destroys Lyons' article in a backhanded way. Seriously, I can't believe you thought he was serious! Wow…

strausd

Jul 26, 2010, 07:15 PM

Anyone remember what time the store went down when they updated the Mac Minis?

Not exactly sure, but maybe 7 AM central, again, not sure, just what comes to mind.

Vylen

Jul 26, 2010, 07:17 PM

http://www.istheapplestoredown.de/

I follow the twitter feed myself.

Icaras

Jul 26, 2010, 07:31 PM

Not exactly sure, but maybe 7 AM central, again, not sure, just what comes to mind.

Well according to the Mac Rumors article here:

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/03/apple-introduces-new-mac-pro-with-nehalem-xeon-processors/

They reported the update at 8:43 am, so I guess the question is how long does the store usually go down when they update with new Macs?

eponym

Jul 26, 2010, 08:09 PM

Not exactly sure, but maybe 7 AM central, again, not sure, just what comes to mind.

The store itself went down really early in the morning—somewhere around 1am eastern.

But it was also the same morning as the iPhone 4 pre-order launch, iirc. So they had lots of stuff to prepare.

VirtualRain

Jul 26, 2010, 08:31 PM

Well they could make the price lower. :D

I've been a bit proactive... http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=977533 :D

EDIT: That didn't last long... moved to wasteland and locked already! :o

TennisandMusic

Jul 26, 2010, 08:50 PM

Last week he referred to his "payola rep" at Apple in this article:

http://daringfireball.net/2010/07/lyons

where he was asked by this "payola rep" to write an article to dispute Dan Lyons's critique about the iPhone 4. However, he refused to do so, because he felt Lyons's article had merit.

So clearly he does have connections at Apple, and he is definitely an Apple supporter. However he also does criticize them for some of their more questionable or bone-headed decisions, and doesn't apparently suffer from doing so. (He was also at the iPhone "Antennagate" press conference, whether by direct invite or otherwise.) So I don't think this "leak" of sorts would affect his standing with Apple, even though these two scenarios are not directly related.

Did you not catch the dripping sarcasm of that article? He was basically saying Dan Lyons is a moron.

jjahshik32

Jul 26, 2010, 09:43 PM

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/758/758352/snl-macgruber_1169758918.jpg

Mac + Gruber, yes its a conspiracy I tells ya!

DualShock

Jul 26, 2010, 10:26 PM

OMFG… the entire article is sarcasm from start to finish. He destroys Lyons' article in a backhanded way. Seriously, I can't believe you thought he was serious! Wow…

Did you not catch the dripping sarcasm of that article? He was basically saying Dan Lyons is a moron.

Nah I always know sarcasm when I see it. :D

TennisandMusic

Jul 26, 2010, 10:49 PM

Nah I always know sarcasm when I see it. :D

Apparently you don't. :p

Unless YOUR post was sarcastic and everyone else missed that. In which case it was either over my head, or you need to work on your sarcasm!

DualShock

Jul 26, 2010, 10:58 PM

Oh the irony.

Anyway, hope they also announce 2008 Mac Pro compatible graphics card updates. A 5870 would be nice.

TennisandMusic

Jul 26, 2010, 11:00 PM

Yep, Apple pretty much has us at it's mercy, like dogs. Begging for Steve Jobs' table scraps.

Think about how much happier this board would be if we could install OSX on our own hardware, or if Apple just kept theirs regularly current.

jjahshik32

Jul 26, 2010, 11:08 PM

Delete*

jjahshik32

Jul 26, 2010, 11:10 PM

Mackilroy

Jul 27, 2010, 12:09 AM

Think about how much happier this board would be if we could install OSX on our own hardware, or if Apple just kept theirs regularly current.
You mean hackintoshes are fake? :eek:

:D

I'd love to see a new Mac Pro. Don't expect prices to go down at all though. :(

TennisandMusic

Jul 27, 2010, 12:25 AM

You mean hackintoshes are fake? :eek:

:D

I'd love to see a new Mac Pro. Don't expect prices to go down at all though. :(

Yeah, but I do hope value goes up. But again, this IS Steve Jobs. This guys has decades of behavior that hasn't changed. Don't expect it too now. The guy is a certified sociopathic nut job in my book.

I'm also pretty crazy. I'm hanging out on these sites, waiting for any sort of Mac Pro leaks. Of course, I'm working too but...

TSchiewe

Jul 27, 2010, 12:28 AM

Did you not catch the dripping sarcasm of that article? He was basically saying Dan Lyons is a moron.

Haha I'm glad someone else corrected him. I've been a DF reader for a very long time now. John calls out other bloggers quite frequently and that was one of those occasions.

He also has some damn good sources at Apple. Off the top of my head, he's nailed more product announcements from Apple than anyone in the last two years. (3GS last year, MBP's with the hybrid GPU's + plus the keynote date like two months in advance, Mac Mini, some iPad details, Safari mention above, MobileMe announcement, etc etc). So when a rumor is posted on DF, I tend to give it a lot more credit than other rumore sites.

Here's a link that goes over his track record in more detail. LINK (http://www.macgasm.net/2009/05/23/john-gruber-the-fortune-teller/)

Oh and he actively reads this forum too haha I wouldn't be surprised if he's already read this thread.

But I guess we'll all find out tomorrow morning if he's right or not.

jjahshik32

Jul 27, 2010, 12:38 AM

Haha I'm glad someone else corrected him. I've been a DF reader for a very long time now. John calls out other bloggers quite frequently and that was one of those occasions.

He also has some damn good sources at Apple. Off the top of my head, he's nailed more product announcements from Apple than anyone in the last two years. (3GS last year, MBP's with the hybrid GPU's + plus the keynote date like two months in advance, Mac Mini, some iPad details, Safari mention above, MobileMe announcement, etc etc). So when a rumor is posted on DF, I tend to give it a lot more credit than other rumore sites.

Here's a link that goes over his track record in more detail. LINK (http://www.macgasm.net/2009/05/23/john-gruber-the-fortune-teller/)

Oh and he actively reads this forum too haha I wouldn't be surprised if he's already read this thread.

But I guess we'll all find out tomorrow morning if he's right or not.

I wonder if he saw my MacGruber post.

John if your reading this thread, that post was for you!

ValSalva

Jul 27, 2010, 04:33 AM

If Gruber is wrong he's going to have a hard time living this one down. Too many people will remember it. This despite him carefully writing his post with an "I was only joking" tone. He wasn't joking, just hedging. But lets hope that's a moot point and he's right.

DualShock

Jul 27, 2010, 05:16 AM

The US online store is down!

Oh boy here we go! :D

apolloa

Jul 27, 2010, 05:41 AM

The US online store is down!

Oh boy here we go! :D

UK one is down too.......... get ready for a surprise....... :D

Actually I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a new Mac Pro for you peeps as you've been waiting sssssooooooooooo long. ;)

Quick predictions:

New mac Pro, I don't think it'll have a new case But I hope it does, new GPU's, CPU's, USB3, SSD?
Imacs with speed bump, maybe use the latest core i class (hasn't Intel got some new models out?), I think we'll get a low end core i5 in the base model instead of i3, USB3, new graphics options. SSD?
New 27" monitor.

canyonblue737

Jul 27, 2010, 08:16 AM

Once again Gruber is 100% right. He calls EVERYTHING, the retina display (months in advance), the Magic Trackpad (nearly 1/2 a year in advance), all the details of the new iMac design last year and on and on including everything that came today. APPLE LEAKS THROUGH GRUBER. On purpose and from on high (Jobs has publicly mentioned Gruber by name in emails.)

The key is he makes it so clear. If he is guessing he says, "I have no inside information but I think..." but if he is leaking real information he always talks about it as if it certain without even mentioning what he is saying shouldn't be know as in "WHEN the new Mac Pro comes out on Tuesday" or "the new iPhone HAS a double resolution display" or "you mean the new Apple TV based on iOS 4.0 which been testing for months in the beta?" etc.

Currently the only unseen BUT LEAKED information from Gruber? He has confirmed the iOS based Apple TV remake. When did that info come out? When Apple leaked it to him shortly after Google made waves with their upcoming Google TV announcement.