JFK assignation... "game" [Archive]

~Shard~

Nov 22, 2004, 07:56 AM

Thomas Veil

Nov 22, 2004, 09:27 AM

"Sick" is the word for it, all right.

Assassination as a video game. Arrrgghhhhh...! :mad:

Hemingray

Nov 22, 2004, 11:06 AM

Abhorrently sick and distasteful. :mad:

And the truly disgusting thing is it'll probably sell well.

whooleytoo

Nov 22, 2004, 11:11 AM

Doesn't surprise me that much. I've always wondered what guys who had been through the D-day landings in WWII thought of games being made of the experience - such as Medal of Honour.

markjones05

Nov 22, 2004, 11:22 AM

Maybe the game is actually a simulation to see if anyone can reproduce the exact path of the so called "magic bullet"! haha

jimsowden

Nov 22, 2004, 11:34 AM

I remember the magic lugie on Seinfeld. Classic!

Raid

Nov 22, 2004, 12:13 PM

Doesn't surprise me that much. I've always wondered what guys who had been through the D-day landings in WWII thought of games being made of the experience - such as Medal of Honour.

Actually when I played the D-day assault chapter in MOHAA, it gave me an appriciation for what those soldiers were up against. I died 20+ times easy before getting on the beach. When you think about it in real life, you get a better understanding for how brave those guys had to be... and the horrible human cost.

However I don't see that kind of merit in this JFK game... it's recreating a tragedy for sport. :mad:

MOFS

Nov 22, 2004, 12:25 PM

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20041121/2004-11-21T183727Z_01_N21636983_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-MEDIA-VIDEOGAMES-KENNEDY-DC.html

I'm so glad we get points for killing the right people, and points off for killing the wrong ones.

This game is sick, what people.

What about those games that dehumanise the enemy? America's Most Wanted - the Game? Capture Saddam Hussain, Osama Bin Laden etc - in a friggin computer game. I think thats equally as bad as a JFK game...

wdlove

Nov 22, 2004, 12:32 PM

There will always be those that try to make money off of tragedy. If used as intended then the game might dispel many theories about the assassination. Having it be used just for the violence and gore would be wrong IMHO.

nfocus design

Nov 22, 2004, 12:49 PM

I assume he means "assassination"... ;)

At any rate, this is utterly distasteful and horrible, not to mention totally disrespectful. I will make note of the creators and company who are producing this and never buy anything from them again. What is society coming to when you get to recreate the assassination a US President - a REAL person, not even a fictional setting - and people are supposed to have FUN and ENTERTAINMENT from this?! This is a GAME?! Whatever happened to playing chess or playing an impromptu game of 3-on-3 or touch football? More and more kids are sitting on their lazy, fat asses staring mindlessly at a screen for entertainment these days and not challenging their mind and body anymore - and this has got to be one of the worst examples I've ever read about of "entertainment". :mad:

I agree that it is disrespectful not only to JFK, but to his family. I live in the Dallas area and have driven by that very spot many times. An "X" marks the spot on the street. What's next? A game to see if you can fly a plane into the World Trade Center? Maybe you can get bonus points if you can hit both towers with one plane. I've played many games where I've shot up fictional characters, but I think a game based on an actual tragedy is done so in very poor taste.
:(

Lord Blackadder

Nov 22, 2004, 02:06 PM

I agree that it is disrespectful not only to JFK, but to his family. I live in the Dallas area and have driven by that very spot many times. An "X" marks the spot on the street. What's next? A game to see if you can fly a plane into the World Trade Center? Maybe you can get bonus points if you can hit both towers with one plane. I've played many games where I've shot up fictional characters, but I think a game based on an actual tragedy is done so in very poor taste.
:(

There already is a game where you can fly into the World Trade Center. It's called Microsoft Flight Simulator, and was allegedly used by the hijackers to familiarize themselves with the aircraft. :(

The JFK assasination is a frustrating episode and sore point in American history, and will provoke a negative reaction here in the states. But many people overseas might not care...

nfocus design

Nov 22, 2004, 02:15 PM

There already is a game where you can fly into the World Trade Center. It's called Microsoft Flight Simulator, and was allegedly used by the hijackers to familiarize themselves with the aircraft. :(

The JFK assasination is a frustrating episode and sore point in American history, and will provoke a negative reaction here in the states. But many people overseas might not care...

I should have known Microsoft would have it. I have heard of Flight Simulator, but haven't played it.

sakasune

Nov 22, 2004, 02:48 PM

yeah, i read about it over on slashdot this morning. i was horrified also when i heard about it (and still am), but I read about it some more and its more aimed at trying to disprove conspiracy theories about the assassination (and assignation). its still sick, but not made to just shoot JFK
also, the company that makes the game is not in the US (scotland, to be exact), so they might not hold as former US president as high as we would...

Hemingray

Nov 22, 2004, 04:16 PM

~Shard~

Nov 22, 2004, 04:54 PM

Oh yeah, like JFK's any comparison to Osama been Hidin' and Saddam Insane. How many have they "dehumanized" again? :rolleyes:

Careful, before things get too political and this thread gets closed! ;)

Oh, and it looks like you changed your initial post... interesting... ;)

palusami

Nov 22, 2004, 06:31 PM

Remind me. Osama been Hidin' and Saddam Insane. How many have they "dehumanized" again? :rolleyes:

off the subject here but Hemingray's signature line keeps crackin' me up!

rainman::|:|

Nov 22, 2004, 06:54 PM

eh.

really don't care.

i don't see the point... to most video games.

i think you're all pretty ...sheltered and naîve if you truly find this "sick"... it's silly and stupid, perhaps, but nothing close to "sick".

paul

mactastic

Nov 22, 2004, 07:03 PM

I wonder what the reaction would be if the object were to try and asassainate Reagan....

AoWolf

Nov 22, 2004, 07:05 PM

I should have known Microsoft would have it. I have heard of Flight Simulator, but haven't played it.

Well I must say as a pilot in training its not bad software. But the thing that cracks me up is the interface(of 2004) it is completely an aqua rip off.

Hemingray

Nov 22, 2004, 07:49 PM

Careful, before things get too political and this thread gets closed! ;)

Oh, and it looks like you changed your initial post... interesting... ;)

Yep, afterwards I re-read my post and it sounded like I was accusing him of making a comparison to JFK and Osama/Hussein, which he clearly wasn't doing.

While I agree with the violence aspect, the fact that we, as normal citizens, get to take down guys like Osama that have committed atrocities against mankind, it's a release for people. I personally don't think there's any comparison.

off the subject here but Hemingray's signature line keeps crackin' me up!

Hehe! :D

Abstract

Nov 22, 2004, 07:56 PM

Actually when I played the D-day assault chapter in MOHAA, it gave me an appriciation for what those soldiers were up against. I died 20+ times easy before getting on the beach. When you think about it in real life, you get a better understanding for how brave those guys had to be... and the horrible human cost.

However I don't see that kind of merit in this JFK game... it's recreating a tragedy for sport. :mad:

I don't see how you can further appreciate what soldiers were up against simply because you found a video game to be difficult. Not even the same league.

And that last bit.........I really don't see the difference between that and FPS war games. Sort of hypocritical for you to say, in fact, as the event was tragic for a lot of soldiers and families, and yet there you are, playing a video game about it and dying over and over again.

IJ Reilly

Nov 22, 2004, 08:14 PM

Stumbled on this thread which should probably be in the Political Forum (and may yet). I read an interesting piece on the JFK assassination in my paper today which offered a twist I had not heard before. As everybody probably knows, JFK suffered from terrible back problems, which he treated with pain killers and by wearing a tightly-laced corset. The latter allowed him to stand up straight but it also prevented him from bending over. He was wearing it that day 41 years ago in Dallas. The writer makes the point that the first bullet fired hit John Connolly, who doubled over, as might be expected. That shot also hit JFK and probably would not have been fatal, but Kennedy remained bolt-upright in the seat because of the corset. It was the second shot fired a few seconds later that killed him.

On small things does history often turn.

jared_kipe

Nov 22, 2004, 09:24 PM

Maybe it's the only way to teach those "fat lazy kids" the history that is important. Where is Dr. King?? Still segregated.

Stay in school...

mouchoir

Nov 23, 2004, 05:30 AM

Yep, afterwards I re-read my post and it sounded like I was accusing him of making a comparison to JFK and Osama/Hussein, which he clearly wasn't doing.

While I agree with the violence aspect, the fact that we, as normal citizens, get to take down guys like Osama that have committed atrocities against mankind, it's a release for people. I personally don't think there's any comparison.

Hehe! :D

Well on that note, most modern US Presidents have committed atrocities against mankind, so you shouldn't have a problem if a game like this for Bush came up.

Also, any WWII or recent Vietnam game has you killing germans or vietnamese, GTA has you shooting your own people and cops so where do you draw the line?

Back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left.

Savage Henry

Nov 23, 2004, 06:11 AM

Maybe it's the only way to teach those "fat lazy kids" the history that is important. Where is Dr. King?? Still segregated.

The article on BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4031571.stm) includes further quotes from the company MD

... he understood that some people would be horrified at the game but went on: "What we are hoping to do is re-ignite people's passion for history... We think there's a whole generation of people who have no experience of the Kennedy assassination..."

Historical figues like Mahatma Ghandi and HH The Dalai Lama obviously not sexy enough to sell games. I spose Traffic Games will get round to producing games for those two later, and then a game about how Jethro Tull invented the Seed Drill.

iGav

Nov 23, 2004, 09:17 AM

Maybe the game is actually a simulation to see if anyone can reproduce the exact path of the so called "magic bullet"! haha

unfortunately we have Oliver Stone and his crap film to thank for making that one famous... :rolleyes:

t300

Nov 23, 2004, 09:48 AM

There is no reason why this should be in the political forums. I think this game is pretty interesting and let's be honest, the company could have made it SO much more tasteless. It actually is trying to prove a point here.I think more games where you could take on history would be cool. Heck, there are already tons about Vietnam and other wars. Maybe one about the Titantic, the English monarchs, etc. That said, you know that one day a game will based on 9/11, probably one in which you are a firefighter who must rescue people, etc. These games cause shock, yes, but raise awareness. This game, although it's very strange to say, is a great history lesson for ANYONE, not just kids, who don't know much information about JFK, the conspiracy, or the Warren Reports. I commend the Scottish company who made this and hope that they are successful with it.

But hey, NO Mac version!?!?

wdlove

Nov 23, 2004, 10:19 AM

All the publicity will result in even more sales. Of course the company chose to release this game on the 22nd of November for the purpose of causing controversy. It's just that they are the one's that will benefit. This game would be better used for investigational and instructional purposes.

Savage Henry

Nov 23, 2004, 10:20 AM

These games cause shock, yes, but raise awareness.
We're not talking about the media's blanket aversion to the Sudan crisis... It's the single most notorious assassination of all time ... one of the most defining moments of modern times. How much higher do you need raise the awareness?
This game, although it's very strange to say, is a great history lesson for ANYONE, not just kids, who don't know much information about JFK, the conspiracy, or the Warren Reports.
I'm pretty sure this won't make it onto any National Curriculum. The topic is just too sensitively sensational to be seen as little more than just a shameless cash-in.

Raid

Nov 23, 2004, 11:52 AM

I don't see how you can further appreciate what soldiers were up against simply because you found a video game to be difficult. Not even the same league.

And that last bit.........I really don't see the difference between that and FPS war games. Sort of hypocritical for you to say, in fact, as the event was tragic for a lot of soldiers and families, and yet there you are, playing a video game about it and dying over and over again.

I would agree that the video game is not in the same league to real life and that was part of the point. The video game gave me a better sense of what it be like to stand in the same spot, seeing the distance that had to be covered, and facing the onslaught of enemy fire. :(

Games are predictiable, you can beat them by looking for patterns and there is no sacrifice involved. The real soldiers there faced those odds knowing it was all or nothing. Being told about it is one thing, but trying to accomplish what they did (even in a virtual, consequence free situation) gave me better insight into what they did.

Yes there was tragedy on a massive scale there, but the merit I spoke of was that I appreciated the sacrifice of the allied soldiers who sacrificed themselves so that we could enjoy our freedom. They died trying to accomplish a noble goal, a goal that we enjoy to this day.... and while this doesn't make the events less of a personal tragedy to the loved ones, it at least makes it comprehensible and thier deaths are not in vain.

The JFK game has none of this, it's merely an attempt to see how closely you can come to killing a man in the exact manner as what supposedly happened. A man who was not in an epic battle with known enemies, just shot from behind while waving to a crowd. There was no noble motive in his killing, just tragedy for a nation.

IJ Reilly

Nov 23, 2004, 12:09 PM

unfortunately we have Oliver Stone and his crap film to thank for making that one famous... :rolleyes:

Not really, no. Stone was simply doing up for a movie the same conspiracy theories that had been around for decades. He didn't do history any service by keeping them alive and re-popularizing them, though.

Chip NoVaMac

Nov 23, 2004, 01:12 PM

Not really, no. Stone was simply doing up for a movie the same conspiracy theories that had been around for decades. He didn't do history any service by keeping them alive and re-popularizing them, though.

Not so sure about that. It did cause another round of hearings to look in to the conspiracy theories with new science.

Either Oswald did act alone, or this has been one of few times that a "secret" has remained so.

iGav

Nov 23, 2004, 01:39 PM

Not really, no. Stone was simply doing up for a movie the same conspiracy theories that had been around for decades.

whilst ignoring known facts, and making gross inaccuracies in his film that even now some people still believe to be true. :rolleyes:

Chip NoVaMac

Nov 23, 2004, 02:43 PM

whilst ignoring known facts, and making gross inaccuracies in his film that even now some people still believe to be true. :rolleyes:

In the end, the JFK assassination, could end up as one of those "great mysteries" that we will always wonder about. The JFK film did take artistic license in combining theories, but it does not diminish IMO the "value" in exposing the multitude of theories, to a new generation (that should have if interested in knowing more, should take a look at the number of books on the subject).

As if you can't tell, I do not believe that Oswald "acted alone". Not that I believe in the "grassy knoll" theories either. Too many "coincidences" (both in terms of the act, and the political/world aspects of the time) to tie a neat little bow on it, and say that Oswald conclusively acted alone.

iGav

Nov 23, 2004, 03:14 PM

The JFK film did take artistic license in combining theories

Not just that though... it was ignorant of known facts, generally completely ignoring them when it didn't fit Stones agenda. He could have made a film that REALLY questioned what happened on that day and theorised what might have actually happened in the events leading up to, during and after the event, instead he chose to produce a film which is full of inaccuracies and in some cases total fabrication of facts that has unfortunately seemingly woven itself into a section of public consciousness that believes it to be historically representative of what actually happened.

I personally find the whole topic of the assasination of JFK hugely fascinating, of which I've been interested in for as long as I can remember. As you've said it's one of those 'great mysteries' that will likely never be answered, or even if it is... the truth would unlikely be without it's own baggage of conspiracy theories and doubters.

As for my opinion on the assasination, I believe Oswald acted alone.

Mord

Nov 23, 2004, 03:14 PM

although i'm usually against the type of people who give a ***** about this type of thing it's a wrong to have a game where you assassinate a man thats unarmed for no reason. at least with games like postal and gta you are not directed towards killing innocents it's just an option.

i think the only rule of violence is games is that every game should be completeable without killing anyone so it is up to the choice of the person playing how violent the game will be and game rateing set by how violent it lets you be

MongoTheGeek

Nov 24, 2004, 09:54 AM

I personally find the whole topic of the assasination of JFK hugely fascinating, of which I've been interested in for as long as I can remember. As you've said it's one of those 'great mysteries' that will likely never be answered, or even if it is... the truth would unlikely be without it's own baggage of conspiracy theories and doubters.

As for my opinion on the assasination, I believe Oswald acted alone.

I agree. Right after JFK came out they did an episode of Quantum leap about it. (yeah I know real great source of factual information) but the producer of the show *KNEW* Oswald. I've been to the 6th floor museum and those were 3 impressive shots but I've seen similar during hunting season.

I am sure there are lots of people who cheered when the deed was done. Castro, the mafia, Johnson, the cuban refugee's, the Russians, Hoover.

The game is an attempt to prove the lone gunman theory.

What I've always wondered is what ganja induced haze got single bullet from lone gunman?

aloofman

Nov 24, 2004, 01:32 PM

off the subject here but Hemingray's signature line keeps crackin' me up!

I liked the previous one from Dukes of Hazzard better. Hemingray, was that a real line from the show? Because imagining a scenario where Enos would say that makes me laugh every time I think of it. :D

herr_neumann

Nov 24, 2004, 09:31 PM

While I agree with the violence aspect, the fact that we, as normal citizens, get to take down guys like Osama that have committed atrocities against mankind, it's a release for people.

We, in the Army, (who are normal citizens I might add) get to go after guys like this a year at a time. If you feel that strongly about it, I would be glad to look up your closest recruiter.....

MrMacMan

Nov 25, 2004, 01:15 AM

What about those games that dehumanise the enemy? America's Most Wanted - the Game? Capture Saddam Hussain, Osama Bin Laden etc - in a friggin computer game. I think thats equally as bad as a JFK game...
I believe that the other people were labeled (properly or not) as terrorists and threats to America.

JFK was a U.S Preident, a popular one at that.

...
i think you're all pretty ...sheltered and naîve if you truly find this "sick"... it's silly and stupid, perhaps, but nothing close to "sick".
paul
Yes, because we should all make simulations to purposely kill the president... any president.

The Flight Simulator was real simulations and as such, you can crash plans into whatever, but that wasn't the purpose of the game. This has one purpose, kill JFK, and in the right order.

Stumbled on this thread which should probably be in the Political Forum (and may yet). I read an interesting piece on the JFK assassination in my paper today which offered a twist I had not heard before. As everybody probably knows, JFK suffered from terrible back problems, which he treated with pain killers and by wearing a tightly-laced corset. The latter allowed him to stand up straight but it also prevented him from bending over. He was wearing it that day 41 years ago in Dallas. The writer makes the point that the first bullet fired hit John Connolly, who doubled over, as might be expected. That shot also hit JFK and probably would not have been fatal, but Kennedy remained bolt-upright in the seat because of the corset. It was the second shot fired a few seconds later that killed him.

On small things does history often turn.

Its been well known for over 20 years.
Along with why he looked 'tanned and cool' aganst Nixon.
His condition is what killed him, the first shot would have done massive damage if not killed him anyway however.

I spelled assassination, so sorry geez. ;)

Anyway the 'point' of this game is to 'prove' that the 3 shots could be made and that Oswald was the *only* shooter. The worst part is they give you MONEY if you are able to make the shots they want to you make to perfection.

Cold Hard Cash. :mad:

By entering our prize contest, you can help to establish the facts of what happened on November 22nd, 1963 (their own bias) – and win up to $100,000 in the process!

To win the competition, you need to most closely match the shots taken by Lee Harvey Oswald, as concluded in the Warren Commission Report on the assassination of JFK. You can be a resident of any country to win.

Damn. A contest on who can shoot the president the most accurately based on their version of history.

:shakes head:

absolut_mac

Nov 25, 2004, 11:57 PM

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20041121/2004-11-21T183727Z_01_N21636983_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-MEDIA-VIDEOGAMES-KENNEDY-DC.html

I'm so glad we get points for killing the right people, and points off for killing the wrong ones.

This game is sick, what people.

Although I think that JFK was neither a good person (womenizer continually cheating on his wife etc) or a good president (bay of pigs etc), to make a game out of his terrible demise is truly a sick and awful thing to do.

Let the poor guy rest in peace already.

MrMacMan

Nov 26, 2004, 03:31 PM

Although I think that JFK was neither a good person (womenizer continually cheating on his wife etc) or a good president (bay of pigs etc), to make a game out of his terrible demise is truly a sick and awful thing to do.

Let the poor guy rest in peace already.
I'm so glad (you had to put in your political views) that you commented on this thread (because indeed this game is sick), your view is commonly displayed here (while your political statements are out of place darnit).

Mantat

Nov 26, 2004, 04:17 PM

I'm so glad (you had to put in your political views) that you commented on this thread (because indeed this game is sick), your view is commonly displayed here (while your political statements are out of place darnit).

JFK has been glorified by the media but he was in fact at bad man and politician as stated previously. He had ties with the crime scene and doesnt deserve his glorious place in every history book about the US. Its almost as if diing from a murder cleanse you from all your bad actions and elevate you to the rank of heroes.

As far as I know his contribution to humanity isnt that great unless you start talking about the Cuba thing which was mostly caused by the us politic at the time.

But to be back on the point, the idea of this game is kinda stupid. Making money out of somebody else death is just sick. No matter who that person is.

wdlove

Nov 26, 2004, 05:44 PM

Although I think that JFK was neither a good person (womanizer continually cheating on his wife etc) or a good president (bay of pigs etc), to make a game out of his terrible demise is truly a sick and awful thing to do.

Let the poor guy rest in peace already.

I disagree on your comment. Many of our presidents have been womanizers, that seems to go a long with being a powerful man. That same trait is found in many other professions and business men of power. Women are drawn to them and they for some reason have a great proclivity. What they do in the bedroom is none of our business. It is between his higher power and his wife. As long as it doesn't effect his duties.

The Bay of Pigs was a mistake, something that can be forgiven. Look at what he did with the Cuban Missile Crisis. He believed in a strong military, smaller government, and lower taxes.

The game is wrong because it was released to capitalize on a high profile death. :( :o

MrMacMan

Nov 27, 2004, 01:46 AM

I'm so glad we can talk a whole 2 paragraphs about the political nature of JFK, then add one sentence about how this game is sick and then say your not trying to drag this into the political forums.

:whips out an image to make sure no one posts in this thread again:

lets see here, whats a totally inappropriate image for this thread... hmm..

PERFECT

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/MrMacMan/even-god-would-kill-you.jpg

~Shard~

Nov 27, 2004, 11:22 AM

:whips out an image to make sure no one posts in this thread again:

lets see here, whats a totally inappropriate image for this thread... hmm..

PERFECT

Ah yes, good old Family Guy, classic! :cool:

mcarnes

Nov 27, 2004, 01:56 PM

Just plain wrong.

Durandal7

Nov 27, 2004, 11:21 PM

I find this game sick. If you think I'm naieve for thinking it is sick to want to live out shooting JFK in the head on a computer, so be it.

I also find all this moral relativism crap equally sickening. JFK is not equivalent to Osama Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. It's really depressing how ****ed up some people's priorities are nowadays.

absolut_mac

Nov 28, 2004, 02:21 AM

The Bay of Pigs was a mistake, something that can be forgiven. Look at what he did with the Cuban Missile Crisis.

You weren't caught on the beach and didn't spend years in a Cuban prison, so it's easy for you to say that JFK should be forgiven for the bay of pigs isn't it?

JFK let those guys down, and they and their families paid a heavy price for it. The only ones who can forgive him for that mistake are them IMHO.

He believed in a strong military, smaller government, and lower taxes.:( :o

Hmmm, almost the polar opposite of what most elected Democrats today want.