iTMS Canada Launch Tomorrow?

[atraininc]

Where did the Nov. 26th date come from?

Did Apple state that in a release or something?

[autopilot]

Where did the Nov. 26th date come from?

Did Apple state that in a release or something?


further back there are a couple of articles. apple said november... and it's just about the end of november, sooooo.......

[Doctor Q]

Where did the Nov. 26th date come from?

Did Apple state that in a release or something?No, just a rumor based on clues. Apple said "in November" and nothing further about the date.

[reckless_0001]

Where did the Nov. 26th date come from?

Did Apple state that in a release or something?


There was rumor a while back about Canadian iTMS advertisments being made for November 26th. That is where the 26th date came from. This rumor was before Apple officially said they were going to open the store in November. There was also a side note about the ads being delayed into December. :)

[zoetropeuk]

If you watch the U2 keynote launch Steve Jobs specifically says 26th November.

[lukasgardiner]

If you watch the U2 keynote launch Steve Jobs specifically says 26th November.

REALLY? when - i just watched the whole thing and probably missed it.

regardless - we ain't getting it today and i think saturday is a strange day for a release of any kind by apple. tuesday it is then.

:mad:

[dona83]

Tried to go to ITMS... said not available in my country (Canada) yet. Just a rumour then? Hmmmm.

[Amooo]

I just watched it and he just says November, not a specific day. I am just praying that it actually gets here by the 30th.

[sromurcam]

Just for clarity the CIRA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) has never interfered with the launch of iTMS Canada. In fact CRIA represents all the major and most of the indie labels - this group wants iTunes. The governing body that has created the most tension for any of the legal download services in Canada including iTMS is CMRRA - the music publishing arm, lead by David Basskin.

[~Shard~]

Still waiting - good thing I'm patient...

[asif786]

Well, it looks like iTMS canada is coming the same day that my iMac G5 is getting delivered (tuesday). Cool :)

I guess it really was a decision between the 26th and 30th - I guess apple wanted to play it safe and keep it on the 30th just in case something happened. I guess a tuesday launch would get more press coverage too - would last all week as opposed to a friday launch that would fizzle out over the weekend..

[lukasgardiner]

Just for clarity the CIRA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) has never interfered with the launch of iTMS Canada. In fact CRIA represents all the major and most of the indie labels - this group wants iTunes. The governing body that has created the most tension for any of the legal download services in Canada including iTMS is CMRRA - the music publishing arm, lead by David Basskin.

funny you should say that - i have had some limited experience dealing with music publishing legalites in my work and have always found them to be extremely difficult and shall i say it, overly an*l people with a certain power-trippy attitude. just my 2 cents on this... so it wouldn't surprise me to know that CMRRA are just being s***s because they have the power to be. i could be wrong though and generalizing something i know so little about.

[Laddie]

Actually, it wasn't just the CRIA, it was exactly the same person, and while they'll likely never publish it, here's a quick letter I sent to the Globe & Mail (I would have called Mr. Basskin a "liar" or worse, but he may just be a simpleton or a fool):

Apple's iTunes online music store is apparently poised to open in Canada ("Apple ready to press play on iTunes in Canada", Globe & Mail, Nov. 26), but the Canadian recording industry is disturbingly self-contradictory. In particular, you quote David Basskin of the Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency as saying "his organization only recently initiated discussions with Apple regarding iTunes". However, in April of this year the very same Mr. Basskin told AppleInsider (http://http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=429) that the CMRRA "are presently in negotiations with Apple to license the iTunes Music Store for activity in Canada, and hope the negotiations lead to an agreement soon, but noted that the timing and manner of the service launch remain entirely in Apple's hands" ("CMRRA points finger at Apple over iTMS Canada delays", April 19, 2004). It would probably be far easier for the music industry to convince people to buy music if they weren't such transparent dissemblers.

Fantastic detective work!
Further to your point, David Basskin, posted on this forum in OCTOBER of 2003, that he called Apple the day that iTMS opened in the USA.
That particular post is here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=540764#post540764) .
While he doesn't say that negotiations started at that time, is does seem to fly in the face of the more recent comment that "his organization only recently initiated discussions with Apple regarding iTunes".

One thing I would like to add.
While shedding light on this contraditory comment from Mr. Basskin, I would like to remind you all, that while he does reperesent a good number of Music Publishers in Canada, he does not represent ALL members of the Canadian Music Industry.
Please do not confuse CRMMA with CRIA, SOCAN or any other industry groups.

Thanks. :)

[JoeCanadian]

If you watch the U2 keynote launch Steve Jobs specifically says 26th November.

I'm watching the stream now, and all SJ's ever said was 'in November'; he never said the 26th.

[~Shard~]

If you watch the U2 keynote launch Steve Jobs specifically says 26th November.

Please tell me when, because I watched the whole keynote and did not hear him ever say this, all i heard was "November".

[appleguy]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20041125.witunz1125/BNStory/Technology/

Apple to press play on iTunes in Canada

By*RICHARD BLACKWELL
From Friday's Globe and Mail

Apple Computer Inc.'s hugely successful iTunes music downloading system is about to launch in Canada, establishing a powerful competitor to the Internet-based music services already in place in this country.


Apple's iTunes on-line music store, already up and running for customers in the United States and Europe, is expected to be open for Canadian audiophiles in the next few days. In October, Apple said it would launch in Canada in November, and a company spokesman said this week the company intends to meet that deadline.


“It's still November; we'll launch in November,” Apple's Natalie Kerris said.


The expansion of iTunes into the Canadian market will mean stiff competition for the three existing music services and it could help make a dent in the free file-sharing now plaguing the music industry.


Currently, Canadians can download music tracks from Napster.ca (a reconstituted legal version of the old free file-sharing service), Archambault.ca (owned by Quebecor Media Inc., and heavy on French-language music), and Puretracks.com (the first Canadian on-line music store, started last year by Toronto's Moontaxi Media Inc.).


The prices are generally around $1 per track, or slightly higher, and Apple is expected to be in the same range. Apple charges 99 cents (U.S.) in the United States, and € .99 in Europe for most tracks. It claims to have sold more than 150 million downloads since its U.S. launch in April, 2003.


Kaan Yigit, president of Toronto technology market research firm Solutions Research Group, said the launch of iTunes in Canada should be good for all the existing Canadian players, at least initially, because it will sharply raise the profile of paid music downloading.


The Apple and iTunes brands, linked with the iPod portable music player, “is the hottest combination of brands in the entertainment space right now,” Mr. Yigit said. “You've got such an iconic pop culture thing going on that it'll probably be the best thing that happens to the legal music downloading business in Canada.”


Even Alistair Mitchell, co-chief executive officer of Puretracks' owner Moontaxi Media, said he thinks iTunes' arrival in Canada will be “good news” for the whole industry.


“If you put three grocery stores on the same corner, everyone benefits,” he said. “It's going to drive a lot of excitement around the whole space.”


Mr. Mitchell said Puretracks has some advantages over iTunes and that will help his firm stay competitive.


Puretracks files are compressed less than those of iTunes, he said, so they have better fidelity. And Puretracks has a “huge roster” of independent Canadian artists on its system that Apple can't rival.


While Apple's presence may give a boost to all players initially, eventually it may be bad for the smaller players, Mr. Yigit said. “Ultimately, once [Apple] is established they will be the dominant player, like they are in every market they're in.”


The big question, he said, is whether the expansion of the pay-for-play market will make a dent in free file sharing — the bane of the music industry in Canada and around the world.


In the U.S., the music industry has filed lawsuits against music “pirates,” but similar legal efforts in Canada have been stymied by court decisions that have made it difficult for the industry to proceed. On Wednesday, Canadian musicians went to Ottawa to lobby for changes to the Copyright Act to control downloading.


While Apple's presence may help to make legal downloading “hot for kids,” Mr. Yigit said, it's unlikely to shift many young people away from free file-sharing. That's because “a 17 year old has more time than money ... and I don't think they'll be filling up [their iPods] through the 99 cent download system,” he said.


Mr. Mitchell disagreed, saying that people are already shifting away from illegal file sharing because it has become “a very murky experience.” With rampant viruses and spyware attached to the files, “it's just a mess,” he said.


David Basskin, president of the Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency, which negotiated with Apple and the other on-line music players on behalf of copyright owners, said his organization “stands ready” to sign a deal with any company that wants to legally sell downloads. The overall goal in licensing pay-for-play systems is “to reduce the amount of piracy,” he said.


Mr. Basskin said his organization only recently initiated discussions with Apple regarding iTunes, and as of Thursday they were “close to an agreement.”


He said Apple likely waited until now to come into the Canadian market because it wanted to get established first in the United States and Europe, where the population base is greater.

[HoserHead]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20041125.witunz1125/BNStory/Technology/
Mr. Basskin said his organization only recently initiated discussions with Apple regarding iTunes, and as of Thursday they were “close to an agreement.”

Wow, that's very telling. The guy is very clearly lying to one of: the Macrumors forums; the Globe and Mail.

[Doctor Q]

While Apple's presence may give a boost to all players initially, eventually it may be bad for the smaller players, Mr. Yigit said. “Ultimately, once [Apple] is established they will be the dominant player, like they are in every market they're in.”I'm glad to hear that Apple is the "dominant player" in the personal computer business, the application server business, the corporate workstation business, the word processing and spreadsheet business, and all the other areas were I somehow thought they were underdogs.

Of course, what he really meant was that the iTunes Music Store is dominant in every market it is in, not that Apple is dominant in every market it is in.

[adamberti]

I don't give a lot of credit to MOSR these days... but here's their 'dirt' on the iTMS Canada.

Apple finally ready to open iTunes Music Store in Canada! Sources in Cupertino confirmed this only minutes before this update was posted.

Those sources said that the Canadian arm of the on-line music store might not be ready until the new year due to some licensing agreements which don't go into effect until midnight (A.M.) on January 1 2005; but the technology is already in place and requires only the go-ahead from the laywers, we're told.


Globe reports Apple saying November is good, but MOSR says January. Wow. Or it could be a combination. Certain labels / music will not be available until January?

As for 'technology is already in place' It can't be that much technology to get in place can it?

[lukasgardiner]

I don't give a lot of credit to MOSR these days... but here's their 'dirt' on the iTMS Canada.

Globe reports Apple saying November is good, but MOSR says January. Wow. Or it could be a combination. Certain labels / music will not be available until January?

As for 'technology is already in place' It can't be that much technology to get in place can it?

january would be shocking given the current loop behavior everyone in canada has been getting. agree with you adamberti re. the different labels and that some labels will be added later.

definitely tomorrow or even today. and i say this not because i know but because i just WANT it to be true :)

[asif786]

january would be shocking given the current loop behavior everyone in canada has been getting. agree with you adamberti re. the different labels and that some labels will be added later.

definitely tomorrow or even today. and i say this not because i know but because i just WANT it to be true :)

Exactly, If it wasnt coming until Jan then Apple wouldn't have said 'Yep, it's coming in Nov', and they wouldn't have an apple rep confirming this like 2 days ago.

Well all know steve doesnt like to look like a fool. If iTunes misses it's november launch, that's exactly what he'll look like. He's not gonna let it happen. iTunes is coming. Tomorrow. Period. I think..;)

/asif

[~Shard~]

I have no doubts that technologically, iTMS Canada is ready to go right now, it's just that damn legal aspect which I hope Apple has dealt with accordingly - that appears like the only thing holding things back right now.

[ferratus]

In the french canadian newspaper "La Presse" today (in Montreal), there's an article that confirms the store will open "anyday now" but that it might be crippled because of Sony/BMG that wants to control the royalties themselves :mad:

According to the article, the negociation went on all the way to friday and will continue today. I guess it will launch tomorrow with a bunch of missing artists and those will be added in the coming weeks and months.

Why does this always happen in Canada ?? At least ,we'll have something.

[asif786]

In the french canadian newspaper "La Presse" today (in Montreal), there's an article that confirms the store will open "anyday now" but that it might be crippled because of Sony/BMG that wants to control the royalties themselves :mad:

According to the article, the negociation went on all the way to friday and will continue today. I guess it will launch tomorrow with a bunch of missing artists and those will be added in the coming weeks and months.

Why does this always happen in Canada ?? At least ,we'll have something.

Well, the same sorta thing happened in the UK - We didnt get indies until a few months after - even now, Apple's still playing catchup trying to get all the indie music on.

[stcanard]

Just to add fuel to the fire...

I notice today that I can't guest past the "The iTunes Music store is not available in your country yet" page. Every time I click the arrow to browse anyway, I just get the same message.

This is a behaviour I haven't seen yet, and different from what happened before the European launch.

[MacinDoc]

Just to add fuel to the fire...

I notice today that I can't guest past the "The iTunes Music store is not available in your country yet" page. Every time I click the arrow to browse anyway, I just get the same message.

This is a behaviour I haven't seen yet, and different from what happened before the European launch.
iTunes/iTMS have been doing this on my computer for the past week.

Seeing as the title of this thread is iTMS Tomorrow, and tomorrow is the last day of November, and Apple promised iTMS Canada in November, I guess this rumor must be true...

...unless, of course, Apple fails to deliver a new product when promised (sound familiar?)

[cantrdr]

iTunes/iTMS have been doing this on my computer for the past week.

Seeing as the title of this thread is iTMS Tomorrow, and tomorrow is the last day of November, and Apple promised iTMS Canada in November, I guess this rumor must be true...

...unless, of course, Apple fails to deliver a new product when promised (sound familiar?)


Tomorrow had referred to last Friday 26th, not tomorrrow as in the 30th, but I suppose the headline has more credibility today

[stcanard]

iTunes/iTMS have been doing this on my computer for the past week.

Hmm, interesting.

For the last week I've been in the Unavailable -> Flags -> Unavailable loop.

Now it's just Unavailable -> Unavailable -> Unavailable.

Wonder why ours have been different then?

[morespce54]

Just to add fuel to the fire...

I notice today that I can't guest past the "The iTunes Music store is not available in your country yet" page. Every time I click the arrow to browse anyway, I just get the same message.

This is a behaviour I haven't seen yet, and different from what happened before the European launch.


It's the same message since Friday :(

[stcanard]

It's the same message since Friday :(

Actually, it's changed for me, guess maybe it took extra time to catch up to my ip address. All day Friday I could get as far as seeing the flags.

[Francesco]

Hey Guy's

Let's not get our hopes up. We've already been fooled a couple of times, so let's just expect it for Jan. and if it comes tommorow than that will be a good surprise, but this time i'm not believing the nov. rumor even if it's from an apple rep.

But hey if i'm wrong than that's one thing i'll be glad i'm wrong about. so please people let's just relax and forget about it untill Jan.

Francesco
(inner thought) still hoping i'm wrong

[Sharewaredemon]

Forget hoping for January, I just want to have iTMS canada before I have my G5 powerbook!

[MacinDoc]

Tomorrow had referred to last Friday 26th, not tomorrrow as in the 30th, but I suppose the headline has more credibility today
Actually, THIS thread was regarding a possible release of iTMS Canada on Tuesday, Noverber 23rd. I was just trying to add a bit of rumor humor, pointing out that we get most of the things we expect out of Cupertino, just not always when we expect them. Guess I should have used a smilie.

[MacinDoc]

Hey Guy's

Let's not get our hopes up. We've already been fooled a couple of times, so let's just expect it for Jan. and if it comes tommorow than that will be a good surprise, but this time i'm not believing the nov. rumor even if it's from an apple rep.
iTMS in Canada in November was announced by Apple in its iTMS Euro press release (http://www.apple.com/ca/press/2004_10/EU_itunes_store.html), so I don't consider it a rumor.

[timmyOtool]

Dear God in heaven, please let itms Canada open tomorrow! Our Northern friends need love too! ;)

[stcanard]

iTMS in Canada in November was announced by Apple in its iTMS Euro press release (http://www.apple.com/ca/press/2004_10/EU_itunes_store.html), so I don't consider it a rumor.

Hey, given Apple's track record of shipping things 6 months after the announcement, I think we can still consider it a rumor ;)

[sromurcam]

iTMS is coming. Tomorrow. November 30th. End of day. Could be late in the day, that doesn't matter. It's finally here. This is terribly exciting. What do you think will be the first song ever purchased on the Canadian service? I HOPE IT'S FROM A CDN ARTIST!!

[lukasgardiner]

iTMS is coming. Tomorrow. November 30th. End of day. Could be late in the day, that doesn't matter. It's finally here. This is terribly exciting. What do you think will be the first song ever purchased on the Canadian service? I HOPE IT'S FROM A CDN ARTIST!!

until that very first song is downloaded and has played from beginning to end --- i refuse to believe! :)

[Flynnstone]

What do you think will be the first song ever purchased on the Canadian service? I HOPE IT'S FROM A CDN ARTIST!!

I think Newfoundland may have the advantage.
Perhaps Stompin Tom Conners :D

[Francesco]

iTMS is coming. Tomorrow. November 30th. End of day. Could be late in the day, that doesn't matter. It's finally here. This is terribly exciting. What do you think will be the first song ever purchased on the Canadian service? I HOPE IT'S FROM A CDN ARTIST!!

Oh god, we've heard this before, stop getting your hopes up. I'm willing to put money on it not being here tommorow. But if I'm worng man will I be happy!!!

[cistamala]

Now it doesn't ask you to click on the country flag?? Can't get further than the country warning

[Francesco]

this really sucks

[~Shard~]

Now it doesn't ask you to click on the country flag?? Can't get further than the country warning

Guys, just let it be! There are all sorts of permutations and all sorts of changes that have happened to iTMS when you try and browse it, you can't keep getting caught up on every little change or glitch - the flags, the endless loops, etc. etc. We know iTMS Canada is coming and we know that the site is being worked on, so this shouldn't come as a surprise - it's not like this is still a rumor, it's been been stated that iTMS Canada is coming, it's inevitable. I say just let it be, and when it's launched, it's launched. :cool:

[~Shard~]

this really sucks

Oh quit whining and be a man, it's just an online Music Store. At least type a post with a little more substance or commentary... :p ;) Do you not have more important things to worry about?

(And if the emoticons don't give it away, yes, I'm just bugging ya and having some fun...)

[Francesco]

Oh quit whining and be a man, it's just an online Music Store. At least type a post with a little more substance or commentary... :p ;) Do you not have more important things to worry about?

(And if the emoticons don't give it away, yes, I'm just bugging ya and having some fun...)

yeah and life sucks too

[Francesco]

Oh quit whining and be a man, it's just an online Music Store. At least type a post with a little more substance or commentary... :p ;) Do you not have more important things to worry about?

(And if the emoticons don't give it away, yes, I'm just bugging ya and having some fun...)


and come on don't get personnal and attack my man-hood, now your just being a meanie!!! booooo-hooooooo!!

[Francesco]

Guys, just let it be! There are all sorts of permutations and all sorts of changes that have happened to iTMS when you try and browse it, you can't keep getting caught up on every little change or glitch - the flags, the endless loops, etc. etc. We know iTMS Canada is coming and we know that the site is being worked on, so this shouldn't come as a surprise - it's not like this is still a rumor, it's been been stated that iTMS Canada is coming, it's inevitable. I say just let it be, and when it's launched, it's launched. :cool:


and well put by the way

[~Shard~]

and come on don't get personnal and attack my man-hood, now your just being a meanie!!! booooo-hooooooo!!

:) Glad to see people on this forum have a sense of humor - you wouldn't believe how many people actually take my joking and being a bastard seriously. Of course, then I enjoy it even more when I know I can really push their buttons... ;)

Thanks for being a good sport. :cool: