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heehee
Aug 11, 2010, 08:23 AM
Linky (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/845967--speeding-boast-online-costs-19-year-old-his-licence?bn=1)

Thatís the lesson a 19-year-old Vaughan man is learning after he boasted online about driving 100 km/h over the speed limit and was charged with careless driving.

Sigh...
Rigencoís parents, who donít know much about cars, bought the M5 for him as a reward for doing well in school. He said the parents just didnít know any better.

TheShinyMac
Aug 11, 2010, 09:11 AM
NSFW? I don't understand how you grow up and not understand that the M5 is not for teenagers.

heehee
Aug 11, 2010, 09:18 AM
NSFW? I don't understand how you grow up and not understand that the M5 is not for teenagers.

What NSFW?

I do believe over 80% of the population won't know the difference between a 530i and a M5, but why buy your teenager a $100,000+ car?

R94N
Aug 11, 2010, 09:40 AM
LOL. Just goes to show bragging gets you nowhere :D

BTW, what is your avatar supposed to be heehee? I don't understand it :-(

quagmire
Aug 11, 2010, 09:44 AM
There should be a law stating that kids cannot have a luxury car for their first car unless they pay for it themselves. I can understand treating him to something as a reward for his hard work like a vacation or a new computer, but a BMW( especially a M5)?

heehee
Aug 11, 2010, 09:47 AM
LOL. Just goes to show bragging gets you nowhere :D

BTW, what is your avatar supposed to be heehee? I don't understand it :-(

Rally driving with co-pilot giving instructions. Or me driving and my fiancee yelling at me for driving like a nut. :D

There should be a law stating that kids cannot have a luxury car for their first car unless they pay for it themselves. I can understand treating him to something as a reward for his hard work like a vacation or a new computer, but a BMW( especially a M5)?

I knew a few people with expensive cars back in high school. One driving a 911 to school everyday.

patrick0brien
Aug 11, 2010, 10:43 AM
There should be a law stating that kids cannot have a luxury car for their first car unless they pay for it themselves. I can understand treating him to something as a reward for his hard work like a vacation or a new computer, but a BMW( especially a M5)?

Personally, I don't feel that labeling an M5 a "Luxury Car" is entirely accurate. If it were a 750, maybe.

To me an M5 is a serious sports sedan, if not race pedigree.

In the hands of a teenager, it's a weapon more dangerous than a handgun.

I mean, seriously, that car can bend spacetime as well as it can the curves.

quagmire
Aug 11, 2010, 10:58 AM
Personally, I don't feel that labeling an M5 a "Luxury Car" is entirely accurate. If it were a 750, maybe.

To me an M5 is a serious sports sedan, if not race pedigree.

In the hands of a teenager, it's a weapon more dangerous than a handgun.

I mean, seriously, that car can bend spacetime as well as it can the curves.

BMW is a luxury brand that focuses on the driving experience. The M5 is simply a performance derivative of the regular 5 series. Yes, the M5 is a sports car/sedan, but it is based on a luxury car and still has luxury car features.

You would still call the S63 AMG a luxury car because it is still an S-Class.

patrick0brien
Aug 11, 2010, 11:03 AM
BMW is a luxury brand that focuses on the driving experience. The M5 is simply a performance derivative of the regular 5 series. Yes, the M5 is a sports car/sedan, but it is based on a luxury car and still has luxury car features.

You would still call the S63 AMG a luxury car because it is still an S-Class.

-quagmire

I understand, those are my personal views.

Disclosure: I own a BMW.

iShater
Aug 11, 2010, 11:13 AM
At least he didn't get himself killed speeding. We had a story about two 17-year olds who crashed a Porsche the other day. Both got killed. :(

cherry su
Aug 11, 2010, 12:21 PM
Unfortunately these teenagers don't know better until they see their friends hurt or dead. It makes a much bigger impact if they themselves land in the emergency room.

DylanLikesPorn
Aug 11, 2010, 12:22 PM
Better that they kill themselves before they kill other people.

Lord Blackadder
Aug 11, 2010, 01:46 PM
Personally, I don't feel that labeling an M5 a "Luxury Car" is entirely accurate. If it were a 750, maybe.

All BMWs are luxury cars as well as being sports sedans/coupes/roadsters. Given their price and equipment levels they could hardly be called anything else, no?

Which brings me on to the parents' apparent idiocy - Surely when it came time to buy the car it would have been obvious, given the cost, that this was no ordinary sedan? Or they could have Googled "BMW M5"?

I think the parents should take a lot of blame for handing over a $100k, 10 cylinder, 200mph car to a child. And then pleading ignorance, which is never an excuse.

Dagless
Aug 11, 2010, 01:54 PM
Better that they kill themselves before they kill other people.

It makes my blood boil when I see innocent people killed by people who want to drive fast. At least if they kill themselves they can get a darwin award.

niuniu
Aug 11, 2010, 01:56 PM
It's a 2006 M5 so it won't be 100k. Thinking about converting 4 year old M5 prices from the UK you might be able to pick one up for around 40 to 50k US dollar.

Which is still a very expensive car for your first motor, but not out of bounds. I've been privileged, (or unfortunate!) enough to know guys who had expensive sports cars from their ridiculously well off parents. It's not uncommon.

Also most parents won't know what an M car is. They're likely to think it's a big slow family car. Probably think it's a safe ride for their kid. Stuff like this will happen.

heehee
Aug 11, 2010, 02:06 PM
Here is the thread. I haven't read the whole thread, but make sure to read page 22, where police steps in. :D

http://forums.5series.net/topic/95495-going-140-kmh-on-a-40-zone/

quagmire
Aug 11, 2010, 02:31 PM
All BMWs are luxury cars as well as being sports sedans/coupes/roadsters. Given their price and equipment levels they could hardly be called anything else, no?

Which brings me on to the parents' apparent idiocy - Surely when it came time to buy the car it would have been obvious, given the cost, that this was no ordinary sedan? Or they could have Googled "BMW M5"?

I think the parents should take a lot of blame for handing over a $100k, 10 cylinder, 200mph car to a child. And then pleading ignorance, which is never an excuse.

It's a 2006 M5 so it won't be 100k. Thinking about converting 4 year old M5 prices from the UK you might be able to pick one up for around 40 to 50k US dollar.

Which is still a very expensive car for your first motor, but not out of bounds. I've been privileged, (or unfortunate!) enough to know guys who had expensive sports cars from their ridiculously well off parents. It's not uncommon.

Also most parents won't know what an M car is. They're likely to think it's a big slow family car. Probably think it's a safe ride for their kid. Stuff like this will happen.

Here is the thread. I haven't read the whole thread, but make sure to read page 22, where police steps in. :D

http://forums.5series.net/topic/95495-going-140-kmh-on-a-40-zone/

After reading that thread and then the links in that thread, the parents fully knew what kind of car they bought their kid. These parents should be on posters, billboard, TV, etc to show how not to parent your kids.

The kids post in another thread at the forum....

You know I will be honest here. I am 19, and just purchased my 2006 M5. The mechanic old irish man Professional BMW mechanic asks me a question "Do you know what car you bought?" I say "Yes, an M5", he says "Its not only an M5 its a kill machine, only pros or people who finished the M5 driving course should be eligible to drive this car, so much power can kill a person" he yelled at my parents for letting me buy this car. "From this lesson, I learned to know how to drive this car first and what it is, than use it properly"

So I want to tell something to the young drivers fellas...This is an M5 and its a sexy beautiful car, you can get all girls from everywhere, and kill almost everybody on the road racing it. But, the 500hp doesnt mean you have to use it and drive crazy and showing off, one day, and listen one day... you will kill yourself if you don't drive in this car safely and know what to do.

My dad is a professional rally driver, and has been a driver instructor over 25 years, as soon as he tested that car, he was scared driving it again.

And reading that thread, ran across an old story that I believe we all heard about an 18 year old kid took his M5 to an airstrip and crashed it killing all 5 people in the car back in 2008. The kid posted on another forum saying similar stuff.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60-m5-e61-m5-touring-discussion/111454-rough-shifts-m-mode-3.html#post1235994

Luckily, this kid got caught and most likely prevented another tragic event to occur.

Lord Blackadder
Aug 11, 2010, 02:52 PM
And reading that thread, ran across an old story that I believe we all heard about an 18 year old kid took his M5 to an airstrip and crashed it killing all 5 people in the car back in 2008. The kid posted on another forum saying similar stuff.

Now that is a scary read. It just goes to show that internet forums are not all hot air and nonsense. Maybe someday one of us will "say " something in a thread that might indirectly save someone's life. A sobering thought.

niuniu
Aug 11, 2010, 03:07 PM
My dad is a professional rally driver, and has been a driver instructor over 25 years, as soon as he tested that car, he was scared driving it again.

Fair enough, in that case then the parents really should get their heads screwed on. 500hp is more than most guys have in their track cars. Stupid power to hand to a teenager.

Lord Blackadder
Aug 11, 2010, 03:18 PM
Fair enough, in that case then the parents really should get their heads screwed on. 500hp is more than most guys have in their track cars. Stupid power to hand to a teenager.

That quote just makes the parents sound even more stupid - a professional driver should know exactly how dangerous an M5 can be.

macquariumguy
Aug 11, 2010, 04:37 PM
The kid learned a valuable lesson about keeping his mouth shut. If he's really smart, he'll remember this lesson.

iJohnHenry
Aug 11, 2010, 04:50 PM
"Scared to drive the car again" is a piss-poor excuse for not having the skill to control the car.

A rally driver is a questionable person to be driving a 500 hp car. They usually go flat-out, between curves.

Unless he only participates in timed-section rallies.

iJon
Aug 12, 2010, 10:16 AM
There should be a law stating that kids cannot have a luxury car for their first car unless they pay for it themselves. I can understand treating him to something as a reward for his hard work like a vacation or a new computer, but a BMW( especially a M5)?

While I would never propose such a law, I personally agree due to personal experience.

When I was in my last year of high school I was in a terrible wreck, shaped who I am forever. It was a nice car and went faster then the average car a high school student should have. My kids in the future will never have a car similar to what I had in school, simply too dangerous for such a young mind.

notjustjay
Aug 12, 2010, 11:14 AM
Here is the thread. I haven't read the whole thread, but make sure to read page 22, where police steps in. :D

http://forums.5series.net/topic/95495-going-140-kmh-on-a-40-zone/

Wow. In summary:

Kid: Hey, I do what I want, stop telling me what to do, I know how to drive and I know when to be safe and when not to, I'm laughing at all of you loserz, hahaha.

Police: Anyone who wants to report a witness of the dangerous operation of this M5, please contact us at <...>.

Other forum members: Hah, owned, reported.

Kid: Y'all better mind your own business. You have no idea who I am or what I'm capable of...

Other forum members: Do you realize that threatening a police offer is a serious offense?

Kid: Uh... ok, so maybe I lied a bit when I said how fast I was going. And, um, maybe we should delete this thread now? I was just kidding guys. Really! It was all just a joke!

quagmire
Aug 12, 2010, 11:43 AM
I just went back to finish reading the thread, just read that a week later after all the, " I am a safe driver." BS, he crashed his M5.

Gotta love karma. :D

flopticalcube
Aug 12, 2010, 11:56 AM
Ill be shopping for a car soon for my oldest teenager. I wonder if Yugo ever made a diesel? Maybe an old Trabant would work. Then again, he needs sheet metal between him and the world so an old Caprice V6 with one of the plug cables pulled or maybe a sock stuffed into one of the carb barrels should fit the bill. BMW anything for a teenager is OTT, IMO.

iSee
Aug 12, 2010, 12:17 PM
^^^^^^^^

Get a newer car (with excellent crash ratings). The safety of cars has been improving quite a bit. Breaks are better, airbags systems are better, generally crash zones are designed better, traction control, etc.

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At least the kid from the story didn't kill anyone. It sound like he learned his lesson (though you never know--some kids are just good at sounding contrite).

iJohnHenry
Aug 12, 2010, 12:24 PM
Ill be shopping for a car soon for my oldest teenager.

Get him a little KIA Rio, but not Racing Red. ;)

Good crash protection, and cheap to operate.

And definitely not a bimbo magnet, but smart chicks is what you prefer, right?

Sun Baked
Aug 12, 2010, 12:27 PM
I think the following quote fits the situation...

"This is why teenagers are not legally allowed to drink. When you're already this weapons-grade-stupid, you can't afford any more mental impairment because you might forget to breath." -- soundguy

IndustrialSpace
Aug 12, 2010, 12:37 PM
BMWs are fun cars to drive. After owning many many Hondas, I was lucky enough to be in a posiotn to buy a new 3 Series. These cars can be leathal in a teens hand. I know I had many close calls as a reckless teen. I managed to pull two 360s in traffic and luckily didnt do damge to the car or injury to occupants. I also cut my teeth, so to speak, on less powerful Hondas and learned to drive well with these knockers. I can tell you that the BMW is a very responsive and powerful car and I only have the e46. You get used to playng in traffic wiht ease. The car firmly plants the devil on your shoulders. It seems to WANT to go fast and out maneuver. Those who own one know exactly what Im talking about.

I too recall the story of the airport/runway M5. Very sad indeed. Especially as both a BMW driver and pilot.

Jaro65
Aug 12, 2010, 01:24 PM
Ill be shopping for a car soon for my oldest teenager. I wonder if Yugo ever made a diesel? Maybe an old Trabant would work. Then again, he needs sheet metal between him and the world so an old Caprice V6 with one of the plug cables pulled or maybe a sock stuffed into one of the carb barrels should fit the bill. BMW anything for a teenager is OTT, IMO.

Trabants and Wartburgs were quite terrible, actually. They both used a 2-stroke engine and boy did they ever stink. I remember catching a pretty massive headache while in Budapest a number of years ago, which at the time was seemingly inundated with those vehicles. At least Wartburg used a real sheet metal body.

How about a Golf or Jetta diesel for your son?

quagmire
Aug 12, 2010, 01:39 PM
Ill be shopping for a car soon for my oldest teenager. I wonder if Yugo ever made a diesel? Maybe an old Trabant would work. Then again, he needs sheet metal between him and the world so an old Caprice V6 with one of the plug cables pulled or maybe a sock stuffed into one of the carb barrels should fit the bill. BMW anything for a teenager is OTT, IMO.

I like my 2007 Saturn Aura XR. With Saturn's demise, you can probably get a pretty decent used one for a good price.

IndustrialSpace
Aug 12, 2010, 03:35 PM
I like my 2007 Saturn Aura XR. With Saturn's demise, you can probably get a pretty decent used one for a good price.

Saturns are junk. Steer clear of this vehicle.

quagmire
Aug 12, 2010, 03:46 PM
Saturns are junk. Steer clear of this vehicle.

Have you owned the Aura? That is my car and I love it. It is almost 4 years old now and it has hold up pretty well. The most troublesome area of the car has been the tires( more Goodyears fault).

If not Saturn, how about the 2008 or newer Chevy Malibu's?

flopticalcube
Aug 12, 2010, 05:39 PM
^^^^^^^^

Get a newer car (with excellent crash ratings). The safety of cars has been improving quite a bit. Breaks are better, airbags systems are better, generally crash zones are designed better, traction control, etc.

-------

At least the kid from the story didn't kill anyone. It sound like he learned his lesson (though you never know--some kids are just good at sounding contrite).

Get him a little KIA Rio, but not Racing Red. ;)

Good crash protection, and cheap to operate.

And definitely not a bimbo magnet, but smart chicks is what you prefer, right?

Trabants and Wartburgs were quite terrible, actually. They both used a 2-stroke engine and boy did they ever stink. I remember catching a pretty massive headache while in Budapest a number of years ago, which at the time was seemingly inundated with those vehicles. At least Wartburg used a real sheet metal body.

How about a Golf or Jetta diesel for your son?

I like my 2007 Saturn Aura XR. With Saturn's demise, you can probably get a pretty decent used one for a good price.

I was joking about the Trabant. ;) I think they are collectors' items now. In fact, the Caprice probably is as well. My point being that cars for teenage drivers should not be ones that help them get into trouble and I should know because I had a muscle-car as a teenager and was in endless trouble! I'll probably find a Corolla or Rio or Aveo that's a few years old. No ex-Saturn dealers within 100 miles of me, although I think they are decent value for what they are.

Apart from the cost of the car and the need for less than Formula 1 acceleration, there is also the insurance and upkeep to think of. I guess, however, that if the parent was willing to spend a 100K on the car, 5 or 10K a year on insurance and maintenance is not a big deal.

CFreymarc
Aug 13, 2010, 11:56 AM
There should be a law stating that kids cannot have a luxury car for their first car unless they pay for it themselves. I can understand treating him to something as a reward for his hard work like a vacation or a new computer, but a BMW( especially a M5)?

Forget the nanny state. Just karma coming back to parents whom buy expensive cars for their kids.

lewis82
Aug 13, 2010, 12:00 PM
There should be a law stating that kids cannot have a luxury car for their first car unless they pay for it themselves. I can understand treating him to something as a reward for his hard work like a vacation or a new computer, but a BMW( especially a M5)?

Parents have judgement. They should have known that their child was not mature enough to have such a car. They should have given him a Civic, not a M5. Heck, I'm one year younger than him, but I know I wouldn't do such dangerous things with this car, if I were to have one.

Jaro65
Aug 18, 2010, 02:15 AM
My point being that cars for teenage drivers should not be ones that help them get into trouble and I should know because I had a muscle-car as a teenager and was in endless trouble!

Apart from the cost of the car and the need for less than Formula 1 acceleration, there is also the insurance and upkeep to think of. I guess, however, that if the parent was willing to spend a 100K on the car, 5 or 10K a year on insurance and maintenance is not a big deal.

Aren't you just a shining example for your kid.... ;)

quagmire
Aug 18, 2010, 10:51 AM
Don't know if I would buy my kids M5s or the likes, but certainly not a little shitbug car. I'd probably be something along the lines of a Passat, Volvo S40, Audi A4 or BMW 3 series. Yes, the have a bit more power but they are also safer than most little shitbug riceburners when it comes to a car crash.
And most certainly I would buy new. After all the trouble I had with so called "certified" pre-owned cars I'd never in my life buy a used car ever again. I'd rather walk.
Cheers,

Ahmed

A Chevy Malibu, Ford Fusion, etc is as safe as those premium/luxury cars.

No kid deserves a luxury car unless they pay for it themselves.

James L
Aug 18, 2010, 12:18 PM
Don't know if I would buy my kids M5s or the likes, but certainly not a little shitbug car. I'd probably be something along the lines of a Passat, Volvo S40, Audi A4 or BMW 3 series. Yes, the have a bit more power but they are also safer than most little shitbug riceburners when it comes to a car crash.
And most certainly I would buy new. After all the trouble I had with so called "certified" pre-owned cars I'd never in my life buy a used car ever again. I'd rather walk.
Cheers,

Ahmed

My daughter can get any car she wants... just as soon as she gets a job and pays for it herself. Mind you, she's only 5 right now. If she starts saving now though she'll be on her way!

niuniu
Aug 18, 2010, 12:24 PM
A Chevy Malibu, Ford Fusion, etc is as safe as those premium/luxury cars.

No kid deserves a luxury car unless they pay for it themselves.

Kids who learn to work for their lifestyle definitely do better later in life and make better providers.

I'm a BMW driver and fan of the brand, but it's an undeniable fact that Hondas and Toyotas, Peugeots etc are all as safe as driving a BMW. American cars too I'm sure, I just don't know their actual safety ratings as I live in the UK.

I regularly sup the BMW koolaid, daily in fact over several forums - but there's no hope in hell I'd give my kid a 3 series for his first car.

Chip NoVaMac
Aug 19, 2010, 12:04 AM
All BMWs are luxury cars as well as being sports sedans/coupes/roadsters. Given their price and equipment levels they could hardly be called anything else, no?

Which brings me on to the parents' apparent idiocy - Surely when it came time to buy the car it would have been obvious, given the cost, that this was no ordinary sedan? Or they could have Googled "BMW M5"?

I think the parents should take a lot of blame for handing over a $100k, 10 cylinder, 200mph car to a child. And then pleading ignorance, which is never an excuse.


More money than common sense...

That is the problem with the uber rich... let's make the kid happy....

I graduated from HS in '76 - and my first car was a '72 Dodge Colt with a 1200CC engine.... :eek:

quagmire
Aug 19, 2010, 11:07 AM
Why would I buy my kid a car that I wouldn't buy for myself? I wouldn't buy a US brand crap in a million years. If you had said a Lexus or an Acura we could have had a conversation... but then I would have objected that they all had their bouts of quality issues recently... so they are out. And the Korean's I just don't trust their quality and I have driven a couple of them as rentals and wasn't impressed.
Cheers,

Ahmed

Practically about everyone has had bouts with quality issues in recent years. That is including the Germans. BMW is having trouble with the high pressure fuel pump on their Twin Turbo I6. They also had trouble with their normal I6 engines as well with the valves. VW has had electronic issues biting them( same goes for Audi) and Mercedes has had a stay in the crappy product hotel as well( why they bought Chrysler to shore up Mercedes).

Personally, I never had any major problems with our GM products. But, my point in mentioning the Fusion and Malibu was mostly saying the mainstream vehicles are no less safer then the German luxury brands.

But, if you're so against GM and Ford products and want to go import, then get your kid a Subaru or Honda. No kid deserves a luxury car unless they pay for it with their own hard earned cash.

flopticalcube
Aug 19, 2010, 11:12 AM
I agree with quagmire. Nothing really wrong with NA cars these days. My Oldsmobile minivan is 10 years old and running strong. Many imports have problems too. Witness Toyota.

macquariumguy
Aug 19, 2010, 11:30 AM
My kid would have a long wait if he's expecting me to buy him a car. Get a job and buy your own damn car.

macquariumguy
Aug 19, 2010, 02:07 PM
I believe that is going to be my decision to make what my kids deserve and what not.
Of course it is, this being America and all. The thing is, that doesn't give them any immunity against you being a fool.

darkplanets
Aug 19, 2010, 06:00 PM
You know, I know this sounds a bit oldschool, but how about buying kids used cars these days? I mean that's what I got, a nice, cheap, POS, but if anything it should teach humility for those overly concerned with status and peer standing. Additionally, a nice used car could be used to teach said kids about repairs and maintenance, which is a skill set that will serve them well for some time. Granted, they can't use the computer diagnostics program that the dealers have, but if they're using a used car it won't have one :)

Chip NoVaMac
Aug 19, 2010, 11:44 PM
You know, I know this sounds a bit oldschool, but how about buying kids used cars these days? I mean that's what I got, a nice, cheap, POS, but if anything it should teach humility for those overly concerned with status and peer standing. Additionally, a nice used car could be used to teach said kids about repairs and maintenance, which is a skill set that will serve them well for some time. Granted, they can't use the computer diagnostics program that the dealers have, but if they're using a used car it won't have one :)

Amen there :)

You just have to look for my post about my 1st car a Dodge Colt....

Les Kern
Aug 20, 2010, 08:35 AM
seems to me to be unprovable in a court of law.
Whatever.

Mousse
Aug 20, 2010, 11:53 AM
seems to me to be unprovable in a court of law.
Whatever.

The investigation too less than a week.:eek: He admitted to the crime, online. They had witnesses who saw the crime and video evidence from traffic cameras. IMO, that's more than enough for a conviction.

The only thing he did right was plead guilty (http://www.ottawasun.com/news/canada/2010/08/10/14978711.html) and saved the Canadian taxpayers a lot of money.

seb-opp
Aug 21, 2010, 01:57 PM
Seriously, any responsible parent wouldn't buy their kid a car like that.
Reminds me of 2-3 years ago when I was at school, this guy had a Ford Fiesta Zetec S, although not on the same level as this it, it was still too much. He got caught driving around 30mph in the school grounds, and a few months later rolled his car 5 times and having to be air lifted to hospital. His friends said he might not be able to walk again. However he recovered and his parents bought him a Mini Cooper S, a more powerful car. He apparently quickly went back to his old ways.

The sad thing is that if he had became wheelchair bound after that accident, he would have changed, and I think its the same for many people like that. Sad, because its a high cost to learn a lesson.

macquariumguy
Aug 21, 2010, 05:02 PM
seems to me to be unprovable in a court of law.
Whatever.
Probably wouldn't be in the USA.

iJohnHenry
Aug 21, 2010, 05:15 PM
Probably wouldn't be in the USA.

This is why you should keep your mouth shut.

Such admissions probably come under the heading of "Anything you say, can, and will, be used against you in a court of law".