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cfs123
Aug 15, 2010, 10:37 AM
There is an app in the app store that allows one to download newly released DVD movies. It even explains this in the app description.

It just seems odd to me that this exists. I guess my question is, Did Apple let one slip through the cracks or is this legit?

Anyone anything about copyright laws?



whocaresit
Aug 15, 2010, 04:05 PM
Name ?

cfs123
Aug 15, 2010, 08:45 PM
Name ?

I use this forum a lot to help me with issues I have with my Apple stuff that I can't figure out on my own. That being said, since it is against MacRumors rules to discuss how to access digital material that is illegal so I prefer not to take the chance and open up a can of worms by throwing the name out into the open which would potentially lead to countless numbers of people downloading illegally, if it is fact illegal, all because I was curious. Hope this makes sense.

However, if you know about copyright and may have an answer I will be more than happy to pm you.

Only the talented can write quick threads while also expressing the tone they want. I am not one of them but the tone to my writing is sincere so please don't take this as me being an ass.

wackymacky
Aug 15, 2010, 11:53 PM
I use this forum a lot to help me with issues I have with my Apple stuff that I can't figure out on my own. That being said, since it is against MacRumors rules to discuss how to access digital material that is illegal so I prefer not to take the chance and open up a can of worms by throwing the name out into the open which would potentially lead to countless numbers of people downloading illegally, if it is fact illegal, all because I was curious. Hope this makes sense.

However, if you know about copyright and may have an answer I will be more than happy to pm you.

Only the talented can write quick threads while also expressing the tone they want. I am not one of them but the tone to my writing is sincere so please don't take this as me being an ass.


I think you are being a little paranoid my friend.

I'm sure if I say that "I think that it is morally and legally dubious they way that HandBrake operates by using the libraries from VLC media player", I doubt I would be banned.

I am neither condoning pirating (which I don't), nor describing how it can be done.

annk
Aug 15, 2010, 11:53 PM
I think it's ok to post the name of the app, since it's in the app store. Your question is about copyright issues, so that's fine. :)

cfs123
Aug 16, 2010, 01:42 AM
I think you are being a little paranoid my friend.

I'm sure if I say that "I think that it is morally and legally dubious they way that HandBrake operates by using the libraries from VLC media player", I doubt I would be banned.

I am neither condoning pirating (which I don't), nor describing how it can be done.

The apps name is W.TV HD. It's in Chinese but navigation is easy to menuver through. The description is in English.

By the way, not paranoid, you reasoning about HB makes perfect sense. Hence, the more input one has from other parties, the better one can assess their own thinking and modify their thought process. So thanks for helping with that.

cfs123
Aug 16, 2010, 01:43 AM
I think it's ok to post the name of the app, since it's in the app store. Your question is about copyright issues, so that's fine. :)

Cheers!

arctic
Aug 16, 2010, 03:50 AM
It's in Chinese but navigation is easy to menuver through.:rolleyes:

This is just a bunch of Chinese TV channels.

cfs123
Aug 16, 2010, 04:40 AM
:rolleyes:

This is just a bunch of Chinese TV channels.

Look more closely. If you are looking at the iPad version the bottom will display four icons. One of them reads DVD. If you click it you can probably figure out the rest.

Night Spring
Aug 16, 2010, 05:54 PM
Hmmmm, it does look mighty suspicious. On the other hand, this is China -- who knows what their laws are concerning this stuff?

doodude
Aug 17, 2010, 02:11 AM
There are far easier ways to download newly released DVD movies than using your iPad & some Chinese app.

Having said that, it seems neither are, by definition, legal.

braddick
Aug 17, 2010, 06:33 AM
I'd be open to it.
What is an easier way?

dZp
Aug 17, 2010, 07:13 AM
I'd be open to it.
What is an easier way?
There's this thing called google. It's like magic!

cfs123
Aug 17, 2010, 10:27 PM
There are far easier ways to download newly released DVD movies than using your iPad & some Chinese app.

Having said that, it seems neither are, by definition, legal.

1. Maybe there are but that's not the point.

2. Someone is on vacation and have their iPad, all I need to do is click this app
And download- no effort involved there.

3. It maybe a Chinese app but the letters DVD and the movie titles, and the word download, and the actual movies are in English.

whocaresit
Aug 18, 2010, 12:27 AM
Tell us the name. It's ok.

cfs
Aug 18, 2010, 12:32 AM
Tell us the name. It's ok.

?

I already did in an above post. It is titled W.TV HD. :)

cfs
Aug 18, 2010, 12:35 AM
Hmmmm, it does look mighty suspicious. On the other hand, this is China -- who knows what their laws are concerning this stuff?

maybe the laws are different, but then wouldn't everybody just find a "friend" in China and do this sort of thing.

wackymacky
Aug 19, 2010, 12:15 AM
Well I don't know if any one has tried it, so I though I'd give it a go.

I didn't download a movie (becasue it is a slooooooowwww server).

A 20 min TV episode took 15 min to download (on my home wifi, which I can download a iTunes 2h movie in <30) and the quality i was pretty poor.

I guess you get what you pay for.

cfs123
Aug 19, 2010, 06:59 AM
Well I don't know if any one has tried it, so I though I'd give it a go.

I didn't download a movie (becasue it is a slooooooowwww server).

A 20 min TV episode took 15 min to download (on my home wifi, which I can download a iTunes 2h movie in <30) and the quality i was pretty poor.

I guess you get what you pay for.

I tried it out as well. As you mentioned, the download time is crazy long. It took 2.5 hours to download a 2 hour movie. The quality was average. Without a doubt watchable. In addition, one must be connected to a network to watch the downloaded movies. It is kind of like a Netflix que for those in the US.

Regardless, of this, it still begs the question, does this app violate copyright laws. Because reality is that someone could download a movie per night while sleeping and have a unlimited amount of movies to watch for free.

northernclimate
Aug 19, 2010, 01:34 PM
duplicate

cfs123
Aug 19, 2010, 02:46 PM
Yes cfs123, the Itunes app sure makes you wonder, but?... Some fair quality videos with Chinese subtitles at the beginning that take forever to download. Once downloaded they only appear in the w.tv HD App on the iPad, don't sych nor indicate their diskspace utilized on the iPad within iTunes. Hardwarezone.com reports that," W.TV HD mobile TV is a financial Special Communication Technology Co., Ltd. Sichuan Branch of China Unicom, based streaming media platform for the development of a iPad mobile live TV client software. The client software carries Chongqing Radio and TV live broadcasts of digital media companies, domestic part of the provincial television contract." A look into China Unicom indicates that the company is HUGE. While adding this to the MacRumours thread just now, look what just came out? http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/44279/20100819/apple-ipad-iphone-china-unicom-hk-price.htm

Very Interesting.

Thanks for the info about the company.

Do you think this violates copyright laws or would this be similar to ABC video for the US. I am just really curious and very confused.

northernclimate
Aug 20, 2010, 11:46 AM
CFS123, the streaming of TV function is probably similar to the ABC player but as we can't use this app here in Canada I personally can't make the comparison. Do you know if ABC (or any others) download directly to the ABC app as opposed to the iPad's video library and once downloaded require a live mobile connection for playback? If the video can't be played in an offline mode then technically has it been downloaded? I suspect that this is a beta app being tested in a live enviroment and that Apple is in agreement with the provision of these videos as a preliminary part of a larger deal currently being inked. The extreme slowness of the download (internationally anyways, I'm on high speed), the mediocre quality, the subtitles and the app's lack of visibility is probably meant to thwart those that are currently looking for a free ride. Looks like China Unicom will provide the network infrastructure but the retail of mobile devices and the media distribution will be through a licensed agreement with Apple. When you think about it, the requirement of being online in order to view a video is similar to the renting of a video on iTunes. Both situations are temporary as you aren't gaining ownership.

cfs123
Aug 20, 2010, 06:28 PM
CFS123, the streaming of TV function is probably similar to the ABC player but as we can't use this app here in Canada I personally can't make the comparison. Do you know if ABC (or any others) download directly to the ABC app as opposed to the iPad's video library and once downloaded require a live mobile connection for playback? If the video can't be played in an offline mode then technically has it been downloaded? I suspect that this is a beta app being tested in a live enviroment and that Apple is in agreement with the provision of these videos as a preliminary part of a larger deal currently being inked. The extreme slowness of the download (internationally anyways, I'm on high speed), the mediocre quality, the subtitles and the app's lack of visibility is probably meant to thwart those that are currently looking for a free ride. Looks like China Unicom will provide the network infrastructure but the retail of mobile devices and the media distribution will be through a licensed agreement with Apple. When you think about it, the requirement of being online in order to view a video is similar to the renting of a video on iTunes. Both situations are temporary as you aren't gaining ownership.

ABC does not save to iPad. One must have a connection. However, something maybe a bit more similar to the app in question is the streaming of movies through Netflix.

Not sure if Netflix is only US but I think it is so I will explain. Netflix is a paid for movie subscription. A netflix member can get DVD's in the mail as well as stream movies so long as they have a live connection.

I see your point above and it seems very logical...and by the way thanks for the thorough post. However, is this only OK since it is the Chinese media giant. I mean, if one of us for example made an app like this it would pulled. Why wouldn't you tube do it then?

Maybe I am missing something though cause I still can't grasp the legitness of the app

northernclimate
Aug 23, 2010, 12:22 PM
I would agree that it seems unfair, but maybe property ownership is a double edged sword that gives us a freedom that the Chinese don't have. too deep... my guess is that either Apple is in agreement to this as they: legally own the distribution and could provide the videos as free samples if they wanted, have the studios agreement, are turning a blind eye given the politics of China (similar to RIM's pending deals with India, Saudi Arabia?) or are allowing it on a test basis only.
This link might be referring to w.tv hd when they mention a live-video function for iPad testing.
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/44688.php

ashVID
Aug 23, 2010, 02:49 PM
Painfully slow and terrible bootlegs, immediately uninstalled, don't waste your time!



ash =o)

likemyorbs
Aug 23, 2010, 06:56 PM
Pshh, i get way better quality pirated movies than this app can provide. FAIL

doug in albq
Aug 23, 2010, 09:52 PM
...pretty nice way to watch a bunch of Chinese television programs, including (almost) live news and other live TV (in Chinese), though...

I think the app is not half bad. If you can ignore the low quality video, the app itself is nice—unlike Netflix, which is just a skin of their website.

Don't get me wrong, Netflix is is great, but the Netflix APP for the iPad is weak.


EDIT: this app is quite interesting. Does seem to be pushing the boundaries of copyright infringement. I'd grab this app now, before Apple deletes it. BTW, the download of a movie just failed for me, I was trying to watch it and download at the same time and that did not work so well...however, the 10+ channels of live Chinese TV is still quite impressive...

caubeck
Aug 24, 2010, 02:17 AM
I've been practicing my Chinese with this and some other Chinese TV apps. The music videos are great, they could remove the bootleg movies and it would still be worth keeping. I'm amazed it got through the screening process.

cfs123
Aug 24, 2010, 05:35 AM
...pretty nice way to watch a bunch of Chinese television programs, including (almost) live news and other live TV (in Chinese), though...

I think the app is not half bad. If you can ignore the low quality video, the app itself is nice—unlike Netflix, which is just a skin of their website.

Don't get me wrong, Netflix is is great, but the Netflix APP for the iPad is weak.


EDIT: this app is quite interesting. Does seem to be pushing the boundaries of copyright infringement. I'd grab this app now, before Apple deletes it. BTW, the download of a movie just failed for me, I was trying to watch it and download at the same time and that did not work so well...however, the 10+ channels of live Chinese TV is still quite impressive...

You can't download and watch at the same time. Although it says download failed, you are still able to continue download where you left off.And it does take three hours to download one movie so it is best to do it overnight to see the quality of the video.

cfs123
Aug 24, 2010, 05:43 AM
Pshh, i get way better quality pirated movies than this app can provide. FAIL

Maybe it depends on the movie you download. True the TV is iffy quality but I am not sure if you downloaded a movie. I have twice to check the quality after some people on this thread said it was poor. The two movies I downloaded where Date Night and Green Zone. Although none where to the quality of an itunes rented movie, the quality, IMO of course, was good. The first 3 minutes of each movie tends to be a bit "pixilated" but beyond that, I get almost as good quality as my Netflix gives me, easily being able to see details of the camera's background images (something not present in videos with poor quality).

cfs123
Aug 29, 2010, 11:31 PM
CFS123, the streaming of TV function is probably similar to the ABC player but as we can't use this app here in Canada I personally can't make the comparison. Do you know if ABC (or any others) download directly to the ABC app as opposed to the iPad's video library and once downloaded require a live mobile connection for playback? If the video can't be played in an offline mode then technically has it been downloaded? I suspect that this is a beta app being tested in a live enviroment and that Apple is in agreement with the provision of these videos as a preliminary part of a larger deal currently being inked. The extreme slowness of the download (internationally anyways, I'm on high speed), the mediocre quality, the subtitles and the app's lack of visibility is probably meant to thwart those that are currently looking for a free ride. Looks like China Unicom will provide the network infrastructure but the retail of mobile devices and the media distribution will be through a licensed agreement with Apple. When you think about it, the requirement of being online in order to view a video is similar to the renting of a video on iTunes. Both situations are temporary as you aren't gaining ownership.

There must have been another update as one can now watch DVD movies with no network connection. It doesn't save to itunes library but it is embedded in the application somewhere.

The evolution of this app has been very interesting to me.