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zimv20
Dec 1, 2004, 02:26 AM
i've been watching Triumph of the Will, and am listening to what some people said about hitler and the state of germany under his command. they said some really great things. maybe i've misjudged mr. hitler. after all, these were some pretty smart and powerful people saying these things.

happily, i was able to find a shot-by-shot transcript of the film here (http://geocities.com/emruf4/triumph.html). check it out.


My Führer, around you are gathered the flags and standards of National Socialism. Only when their cloth will have decayed, will humanity looking back, be able to comprehend what you, my Führer, mean to Germany.

You are Germany, when you act, the nation acts, when you judge, the people judge! Our gratitude is the pledge to stand by you, through good days and bad come whatever may!

Thanks to your leadership, Germany will achieve her aim to become the homeland for all Germans in the world. You have been the guarantor of victory you are for us the guarantor of peace!


Truth is the basis on which the power of the press stands and falls. Our only demand of the foreign press and our own press, is that they report the truth about Germany.


The construction on the Reich autobahn system has begun in 51 places in the Reich. Although this is just the beginning, 52,000 men are already employed on the construction of these new roads, and another 100,000 men are employed at construction sites, in supplying the building trade industry with materials, and in bridge construction.


Wherever one looks, progress develops, improvements are being made, and new values created.


As chief of the German justice system, I can only say that since the National Socialist legal system is the foundation of the National Socialist State, for us, our supreme Führer is also supreme judge. And since we know how sacred the principles of justice are to our Führer, we can assure you, fellow citizens, that your life and existence is secure in this National Socialist State of order, freedom, and law!

and what inspiring things did mr. hitler himself say?

It would be a crime if we ever gave up what had been fought for and won so much strife, sorrow and sacrifice, and distress. One cannot be disloyal to something that has given content, meaning and purpose to one's entire life. All of this would not be possible were it not given to us by a great command and it is God Himself who created our Reich!

a great leader, the guarantor of peace. jobs were created, new values were instilled in the people. heck, hitler's values were the basis for a just legal system. plus, God Himself brought it all to the german people.

if only the press had shaped up and reported the truth, all would have been well.

i wonder if i would have supported him.



Blue Velvet
Dec 1, 2004, 04:17 AM
Hmmm... slightly unsure whether you're being sarcastic or not or whether you're trying to make some obscure political point. Or being 100% genuine...

But by merely framing your argument in this way, you're asking for trouble...

Diatribe
Dec 1, 2004, 04:42 AM
Basing your point on the people you listed is like asking Ms. Rice, Mr. Rumsfeld, etc. how they think about George W. Bush...

I could go on to explain how Hitler was bad but I guess this should be common knowledge and can be read in a decent history book.
As a sidenote, he had some good ideas but these were outweighed by his outrageous ones and by the implementation of the good ones.

skunk
Dec 1, 2004, 04:52 AM
It's only a matter of degree. When you stray too close to the line, you don't see it any more.

skunk
Dec 1, 2004, 06:47 AM
Hmmm... slightly unsure whether you're being sarcastic or not or whether you're trying to make some obscure political point.
Not that obscure...

blackfox
Dec 1, 2004, 06:55 AM
So where's my kick-a** high-speed highway and car-of-the-people?

skunk
Dec 1, 2004, 06:56 AM
So where's my kick-a** high-speed highway and car-of-the-people?
H2?

blackfox
Dec 1, 2004, 07:01 AM
H2?
Achtung Englander.

takao
Dec 1, 2004, 07:40 AM
for the autobahn-myth:
http://german.about.com/library/blgermyth08.htm

interesting that after 60 years the propaganda is still around...even outside of germany ...

skunk
Dec 1, 2004, 07:47 AM
Fascinating.

Propaganda can have a very long life. Look at the major religions...

Mr. Anderson
Dec 1, 2004, 07:52 AM
a great leader, the guarantor of peace. jobs were created, new values were instilled in the people. heck, hitler's values were the basis for a just legal system. plus, God Himself brought it all to the german people.

if only the press had shaped up and reported the truth, all would have been well.


riiight.... coming off the defeat of WWI, Germany had plenty of issues and it needed/wanted a kick in the pants - the only thing is Hitler struck the right cord with the people and used it for his own means to power. He might have had some good ideas and made a difference in a few places, but he was a dictator, aided by grand schemes of propaganda and hidden agendas. The evil far out ways the good - sort of the old saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

All would not have been well in the end - if he had been allowed to continue the world would be a much sadder place today...

So why no response yet?

D

skunk
Dec 1, 2004, 08:03 AM
- the only thing is Hitler struck the right cord with the people and used it for his own means to power.
In search of the missing cord? Aspirate! :rolleyes:

All would not have been well in the end - if he had been allowed to continue the world would be a much sadder place today...

So why no response yet?
The question seemed almost rhetorical.

Oh, all right then:
YES. He was a unilateralist, warmongering, xenophobe who had the craven support of the Church in his unspeakable campaign to revise reality and redefine the truth.

Hoef
Dec 1, 2004, 08:18 AM
zimv20 tries to entertain some discussion again .... look at his/her previous posts. Quite immature. Go spend some time in Europe, get perspective and move on with your life.

Mr. Anderson
Dec 1, 2004, 08:45 AM
The question seemed almost rhetorical.

*seemed* ????

pseudobrit
Dec 1, 2004, 09:19 AM
zimv20 tries to entertain some discussion again .... look at his/her previous posts. Quite immature. Go spend some time in Europe, get perspective and move on with your life.


Hhaahhahahahahahaha.

Fantastic. Damn, I wish I would have thought to write that.

Thomas Veil
Dec 1, 2004, 09:26 AM
I'll give Hitler one thing: if he created jobs, then he's one up on Bush. :D

zimv20
Dec 1, 2004, 10:55 AM
Basing your point on the people you listed is like asking Ms. Rice, Mr. Rumsfeld, etc. how they think about George W. Bush...

diatribe's got the idea.

in watching TOTW, i was struck by how similar the rhetoric was to our modern-day politicking and campaigning, at least in the US. and not just exclusively bush, but more similar to bush and what's said about him than other politicians.

if someone's skeptical, swap out the 1930's german particulars for 2004 american ones.

zimv20
Dec 1, 2004, 10:58 AM
zimv20 tries to entertain some discussion again .... look at his/her previous posts. Quite immature. Go spend some time in Europe, get perspective and move on with your life.
and for those who are familiar w/ my views and believe i was really entertaining the notion that, based on a little propaganda, hitler was really okay after all.... did i _actually_ fool you?

regarding hitler, or any leader of a country, actions speak louder than words.

but many are prone to the propaganda. i'll cite the most recent US presidential election as proof. "values" indeed.

Diatribe
Dec 2, 2004, 11:24 AM
and for those who are familiar w/ my views and believe i was really entertaining the notion that, based on a little propaganda, hitler was really okay after all.... did i _actually_ fool you?

regarding hitler, or any leader of a country, actions speak louder than words.

but many are prone to the propaganda. i'll cite the most recent US presidential election as proof. "values" indeed.

I love it when people jump to early conclusions... take that for being immature. I guess you'll have to live with that, though you weren't totally innocent choosing to phrase it the way you did... some people got confused... too much thinking necessary to understand you. Thinking is not for everyone you know? :D

Thomas Veil
Dec 2, 2004, 11:50 AM
...you weren't totally innocent choosing to phrase it the way you did... some people got confused...
Perhaps newbies to this particular forum. But anyone who is familiar with zimv knew immediately, of course, that he was being ironic.

What is sad to say is that up until now, in forums such as these, comparisons to Hitler have virtually always been considered bad form at best, and hysterical trolling at worst. Unfortunately, given the direction Dubya and the neo-cons are taking this country, such comparisons have now become legitimate fodder for discussion. How scary is that?