Build a Mac Pro with replacement parts?!

[fairbanx]

I wonder, if it's a good idea to build a MP (i.e. MP 4,1) only with replacement parts!? You can find the offical technical/take-a-part manual on the internet. You can find the most relevant parts like case, heatsink, cpu, logicboards etc. on eBay. But there are some more rare parts like appropriate screws and cables. That's because some questions remains:

- any idea where to find these rare parts?
- where to find a plan to mount the bluetooth/airport cables (not covered in technical manual)
- someone did this before?
- any tips or clues?

Thanks for your replies.

[Angelo95210]

I think the final cost will be higher than a good deal from Ebay.

[Transporteur]

Bluetooth and Airport cards are just some small factor PCIe cards located on the main logic board behind the heat sinks.

I wouldn't recommend building such a system, since you won't get any warranty from Apple whatsoever. If a part fails you'd have to buy a new part instead of getting it repaired/replaced by Apple.

BTW: Where did you find the service manual for a 4.1 Pro?

[donw35]

you would get nickel and dime'd on the small stuff.

[fairbanx]

BTW: Where did you find the service manual for a 4.1 Pro?

you got a PM

[Hellhammer]

You're better off building a Hackintosh. Will cost you a lot less and involves less work

[mrhick01]

http://www.mac-pro.com

[fairbanx]

You're better off building a Hackintosh. Will cost you a lot less and involves less work

That's not an option for me, thanks anyway. In addition: my first impression of the casedesign is, that it might be not very difficult to put the parts together!?

[fairbanx]

http://www.mac-pro.com

thanks, I just found another

http://www.welovemacs.com

[goMac]

It'll be way, way, way more expensive than just buying the machine. Most parts will have their cost massively inflated.

[sochet]

That's not an option for me, thanks anyway. In addition: my first impression of the casedesign is, that it might be not very difficult to put the parts together!?

Why not? Are you trying to pass this off as one? :p

[highdefw]

Obviously you guys haven't tried to build a MP from scratch...

@fairbanx, DO YOUR RESEARCH! I cannot stress that enough. Look everywhere, compare prices, make deals.

Over the last month I have been buying parts to build up a 2009 8 core MP.

Here's what the cost were:
-MP case with PSU and pre-wired. (All fans except PCIe Fan) = $180
-Logic Board = $329
-Backplane Board = $299
-Heatsink A = $149
-Heatsink B = $289
-PCIe Fan = $49
-Aiport Card = $48
-Bluetooth Card = $20
-2x Intel Xeon Quad 2.93ghz X5570 = $1,200
-OWC 120gb ssd = $320
-16gb DDR3 ram from OWC = $610
-2x 1TB WD Black hdd = $180
-LG Blu-ray Drive = $150
-NVidia Geforce GT 120 (used) = $60

Total cost comes to about $3,500

Compare this to Apple and you would easily be paying twice as much, maybe more...

Remember, the base 8 core model offered by Apple had slower chips, 6gb ram, 640gb hdd, and the Geforce 120 for $3200.

Hope this helps

[Transporteur]

Total cost comes to about $3,500

Compare this to Apple and you would easily be paying twice as much, maybe more...

Remember, the base 8 core model offered by Apple had slower chips, 6gb ram, 640gb hdd, and the Geforce 120 for $3200.

Hope this helps

Those are US prices! Considering that the OP lives in Germany you certainly won't get that machine under 6000€.

The X5570s alone cost about 1300€ EACH in Germany!

You'd have to import everything from the US (which won't get any cheaper considering the prices for shipping and additional taxes), or go with used parts, which aren't necessarily easy to find in the EU.

[highdefw]

Those are US prices! Considering that the OP lives in Germany you certainly won't get that machine under 6000€.

The X5570s alone cost about 1300€ EACH in Germany!

You'd have to import everything from the US (which won't get any cheaper considering the prices for shipping and additional taxes), or go with used parts, which aren't necessarily easy to find in the EU.

Once again research. I didn't get all my parts from the US...

The chips are pretty costly here in the US as well. It's gonna take more then a couple nights of googling to find everything you need.

P.S. Ebay is a good place to start making contacts

[Transporteur]

Once again research. I didn't get all my parts from the US...

The chips are pretty costly here in the US as well. It's gonna take more then a couple nights of googling to find everything you need.

P.S. Ebay is a good place to start making contacts


So the chips came from Ebay, or do you have any other source for them?
$1200 for a pair of 5570s is just insane, I'd take two of them immediately for that price.

I'm constantly looking on Ebay for a pair of 5570s or 5580s but even if there is a pair, it's always on ebay.com. :(

[goMac]

Obviously you guys haven't tried to build a MP from scratch...

@fairbanx, DO YOUR RESEARCH! I cannot stress that enough. Look everywhere, compare prices, make deals.

Over the last month I have been buying parts to build up a 2009 8 core MP.

Here's what the cost were:
-MP case with PSU and pre-wired. (All fans except PCIe Fan) = $180
-Logic Board = $329
-Backplane Board = $299
-Heatsink A = $149
-Heatsink B = $289
-PCIe Fan = $49
-Aiport Card = $48
-Bluetooth Card = $20
-2x Intel Xeon Quad 2.93ghz X5570 = $1,200
-OWC 120gb ssd = $320
-16gb DDR3 ram from OWC = $610
-2x 1TB WD Black hdd = $180
-LG Blu-ray Drive = $150
-NVidia Geforce GT 120 (used) = $60

Total cost comes to about $3,500

Compare this to Apple and you would easily be paying twice as much, maybe more...

Remember, the base 8 core model offered by Apple had slower chips, 6gb ram, 640gb hdd, and the Geforce 120 for $3200.

Hope this helps

Erm, if you hadn't somehow gotten a deal on those processors, it would be way more expensive than buying one new. Those CPU's are $1300 each.

[Hellhammer]

-2x Intel Xeon Quad 2.93ghz X5570 = $1,200

I'd like to know where you get those for 600$ each as their retail price is 1386$ each.

[fairbanx]

Yes, I did some research. I calculated the cost for the most relevant parts. For the 8-core Nehalem (2.26) that is about 2000$, for the 4-core Nehalem 2.66 about 1300$ (to be honest: w/o gpu, drives, cables, screws and shipping). But yes, I'm not informed about the used prices for complete machines.

[Prince134]

Obviously you guys haven't tried to build a MP from scratch...

@fairbanx, DO YOUR RESEARCH! I cannot stress that enough. Look everywhere, compare prices, make deals.

Over the last month I have been buying parts to build up a 2009 8 core MP.

Here's what the cost were:
-MP case with PSU and pre-wired. (All fans except PCIe Fan) = $180
-Logic Board = $329
-Backplane Board = $299
-Heatsink A = $149
-Heatsink B = $289
-PCIe Fan = $49
-Aiport Card = $48
-Bluetooth Card = $20
-2x Intel Xeon Quad 2.93ghz X5570 = $1,200
-OWC 120gb ssd = $320
-16gb DDR3 ram from OWC = $610
-2x 1TB WD Black hdd = $180
-LG Blu-ray Drive = $150
-NVidia Geforce GT 120 (used) = $60

Total cost comes to about $3,500

Compare this to Apple and you would easily be paying twice as much, maybe more...

Remember, the base 8 core model offered by Apple had slower chips, 6gb ram, 640gb hdd, and the Geforce 120 for $3200.

Hope this helps

Hi,
I am sure you are the right person to ask about. I am going to do the same thing as you did. However, before I place my order can I put ONE CPU (X5570) on the TWO CPU board. Will there be any switch to make the single cpu working, OR no way, that I need to put two? Since putting 1 cpu save lots money for me. I am sure this would be the same question like to pull one of cpu from dual cpu mac pro and get it working. Can any one share with me about this as well?

Thanks.

Thanks.

[fairbanx]

Why not? Are you trying to pass this off as one? :p

hm, quit simple answer: I want a Mac Pro, not a Hackintosh. I really like the casedesign, especially the 4,1 with the support plate :)

[fairbanx]

Obviously you guys haven't tried to build a MP from scratch...

@fairbanx, DO YOUR RESEARCH! I cannot stress that enough. Look everywhere, compare prices, make deals.

Over the last month I have been buying parts to build up a 2009 8 core MP.

…

Hope this helps

thanks and congrats! a question about the cage: pre-wired really means no cables need for optical drive, hdd, bluetooth/airport, etc.? did you find it on eBay?

[highdefw]

So the chips came from Ebay, or do you have any other source for them?
$1200 for a pair of 5570s is just insane, I'd take two of them immediately for that price.

I'm constantly looking on Ebay for a pair of 5570s or 5580s but even if there is a pair, it's always on ebay.com. :(

I came across a buyer on ebay who only sells chips based from Hong Kong. He had listed the X5570s from a low starting bid, and they sold quickly for $800 each. After a good week of negotiating, I managed to get it down to about $1,200.

You need to be careful when ordering from countries like china and such. There are a lot of clones of chips and other electronics floating around. Remember, it's usually a gamble when prices seem too good to be true. Make sure they only use paypal, and any kind of warranty is good as well.

My buddy and I decided to risk it and go for the chips, and they turned out to work just fine.

**Always order the chips LAST. Even if you find a bargain price. There's no point letting $1000 chips laying around if you can't test them!**


Erm, if you hadn't somehow gotten a deal on those processors, it would be way more expensive than buying one new. Those CPU's are $1300 each.

No... Even if I got them at retail, they would be significantly less than what Apple offers. Look at it like this... even if I was building the same configuration but with the lowest 8 core chips (2.26 ghz), I could build that for about $2600. I realize that for another $600 you can get the actual model direct from Apple, but without the ssd, extra 10gb ram, 1tb hdd, and a Blu-ray drive? You still save quite a bit.


I'd like to know where you get those for 600$ each as their retail price is 1386$ each.

Check my response to Transporteur ^^^


Hi,
I am sure you are the right person to ask about. I am going to do the same thing as you did. However, before I place my order can I put ONE CPU (X5570) on the TWO CPU board. Will there be any switch to make the single cpu working, OR no way, that I need to put two? Since putting 1 cpu save lots money for me. I am sure this would be the same question like to pull one of cpu from dual cpu mac pro and get it working. Can any one share with me about this as well?

Thanks.

Thanks.

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think that would work. I have never heard a Logic Board running with an empty socket. The beauty about the Mac Pro is that the logic board is completely separate. So you could just buy the single chip board and when you're ready, upgrade to the dual quad board. Obviously you would be missing the extra 4 ram slots.


thanks and congrats! a question about the cage: pre-wired really means no cables need for optical drive, hdd, bluetooth/airport, etc.? did you find it on eBay?

That's correct. I found the seller on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320574425359&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570%26_nkw%3D320574425359%26_fvi%3D 1&_rdc=1#ht_2342wt_1507). Here is the item number:

320574425359

[fairbanx]

That's correct. I found the seller on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320574425359&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm570%26_nkw%3D320574425359%26_fvi%3D 1&_rdc=1#ht_2342wt_1507). Here is the item number: 320574425359

yes, I saw this before, but I was irritated, because the only cable I saw was the powercord and that the description mentions "do not include … any other electronic component." but if it's true, it would be great :). the price for the case is also nice.

[feins]

Obviously you guys haven't tried to build a MP from scratch...

@fairbanx, DO YOUR RESEARCH! I cannot stress that enough. Look everywhere, compare prices, make deals.

Over the last month I have been buying parts to build up a 2009 8 core MP.

Here's what the cost were:
-MP case with PSU and pre-wired. (All fans except PCIe Fan) = $180
-Logic Board = $329
-Backplane Board = $299
-Heatsink A = $149
-Heatsink B = $289
-PCIe Fan = $49
-Aiport Card = $48
-Bluetooth Card = $20
-2x Intel Xeon Quad 2.93ghz X5570 = $1,200
-OWC 120gb ssd = $320
-16gb DDR3 ram from OWC = $610
-2x 1TB WD Black hdd = $180
-LG Blu-ray Drive = $150
-NVidia Geforce GT 120 (used) = $60

Total cost comes to about $3,500

Compare this to Apple and you would easily be paying twice as much, maybe more...

Remember, the base 8 core model offered by Apple had slower chips, 6gb ram, 640gb hdd, and the Geforce 120 for $3200.

Hope this helps

I'm doing the similar projest I've bought the item below.
Mac Pro 2009 Case with 980W PSU: £239.99 GBP ($381.90 USD)
Mac Pro 2009 Logic Board & UK Spec power core: £212.98 GBP ($338.88 USD)
Mac Pro 2009 Restoration DVD kit: €38.00 EUR ($27.97 USD)
24GB 6x4GB DDR3 1066 ECC Ram for Mac Pro: $570.00 USD
Xeon W5590 x2 OEM Processor: $1,850.00 USD
Mac Pro 2009 Technical and Installation document: $7.49 USD
2mm 100mm x 200mm Thermal Pad: $12.00 USD
Mac Pro 2009 Support Tray: $51.60 USD
Mac Pro 2009 8 core Processor Board: $369.53 USD
Mac Pro 2009 CPU-A heat sink: $159.35 USD
Mac Pro 2009 CPU-B heat sink: $285.10 USD
Ati 5870 for Mac: RM1,330.00 MYR

So far the amount i've spend on Parts so far are in total USD 4053.82

Completed and running flawlessly.
Just got myself and Areca 1880i and 4 pcs of WD RE4 HDD going for Raid 5.

[bearcatrp]

Sounds like the chips you got are engineering samples. Are they? Looked at a few for my build, but not a hackintoch. Putting ubuntu 64 on my new build. It's crazy what apple wants for a new Mac pro. A 2.66 octo westmere from apple is around 5500 while mine will be less than 3000 (maybe 2500). Can't blame anyone considering a hackintosh, especially in this economy.

[R.OG]

Nice to know other people are doing the same. I recently built a 2009 Mac pro using a Core i7 950 and corsair memory, i got all my parts, except the case from www.applecomponents.com. It only cost me $1100 since i already owned the cpu and memory.

[fairbanx]

I actually abandoned my project ideas. living in germany, the effective costs (shipping form us and tax included) were at the end not attractive enough.

But: I recently bought from Amazon (France) the last two Mac Pro (early 2009) they had in stock for 1.540 €/each. This was a nice deal, because Apple (Germany) still sell them refurbished at a 1.950 € price tag. Selling one of my purchased Mac Pro's will make the other one even more affordable. I also think about selling both, and order the 2010 model with a 12% student discount.

But one problem remains: I can't convince my wife, neither to keep one 2009 model, nor order the 2010 model :). That's because of other needed investments.

Actually, I look at two Mac Pro in my living room, but still can't use one of them. That's what I'm really struggling with. :confused:

[ActionableMango]

You can put Core i7 in a Mac Pro?

[R.OG]

You can put Core i7 in a Mac Pro?

Yes, you can use any 920 - 960 series i7 chips in the 2009 mac pro.

[Transporteur]

Yes, you can use any 920 - 960 series i7 chips in the 2009 mac pro.

Only in the single processor machines, though.

[R.OG]

Only in the single processor machines, though.

Correct, i forgot to mention that.

[alphaod]

I don't think the project is viable because you wouldn't have any warranty on the motherboard and stuff. You certainly won't get any support from Apple since you don't have serial number.

It's fun, but that's it. I had disassemble rebuild my Mac Pro. Very easy, but I don't think I would have done it, if I have to procure all the parts myself.

I actually abandoned my project ideas. living in germany, the effective costs (shipping form us and tax included) were at the end not attractive enough.

But: I recently bought from Amazon (France) the last two Mac Pro (early 2009) they had in stock for 1.540 €/each. This was a nice deal, because Apple (Germany) still sell them refurbished at a 1.950 € price tag. Selling one of my purchased Mac Pro's will make the other one even more affordable. I also think about selling both, and order the 2010 model with a 12% student discount.

But one problem remains: I can't convince my wife, neither to keep one 2009 model, nor order the 2010 model :). That's because of other needed investments.

Actually, I look at two Mac Pro in my living room, but still can't use one of them. That's what I'm really struggling with. :confused:

If you can't convince your wife then return them?

Or you could lie and tell her the one you want isn't returnable… I don't know about the long term effects on that.

[ActionableMango]

Yes, you can use any 920 - 960 series i7 chips in the 2009 mac pro.

Wow, I had no idea. Do you have to replace the ECC ram with non-ECC? Can you plop an i7 into a 2010 MP base model? (2.8 quad Xeon Nehalem I think).

I always see stories of people replacing their Xeons with server-pulled Xeons and engineering sample Xeons, and all the trouble associated with that (hard to find, also the affixed heatsinks). I didn't know you could just drop a retail i7 in there.

[R.OG]

Wow, I had no idea. Do you have to replace the ECC ram with non-ECC? Can you plop an i7 into a 2010 MP base model? (2.8 quad Xeon Nehalem I think).

I always see stories of people replacing their Xeons with server-pulled Xeons and engineering sample Xeons, and all the trouble associated with that (hard to find, also the affixed heatsinks). I didn't know you could just drop a retail i7 in there.

I'm using non-ECC but it does boot up with ECC ram.

[fairbanx]

If you can't convince your wife then return them?

Or you could lie and tell her the one you want isn't returnable… I don't know about the long term effects on that.

OT: I'm just looking for buyers. I bought them cheap to sell them, but then thought about to keep one; to return them is not an option, likewise to lie isn't. :o Maybe, I'll find a solution...

[formal]

So can someone please 100% confirm a few things about the Quad upgrades on Quad 2009 Mac Pro's please.

1. On a Quad 2.66GHz 2009 Mac Pro can I drop in an i7 975 3.33GHz Retail chip

2. If above works will I then need to put in non-ECC Ram due to the i7 not properly running with ECC ram (or at least stable)?

3. Will the profiler on the Mac register it as a Xeon or i7?

If you have performed the above (or any i7 for that matter!) please confirm in reply.

Thanks.

[Hellhammer]

1. On a Quad 2.66GHz 2009 Mac Pro can I drop in an i7 975 3.33GHz Retail chip

Yes.

2. If above works will I then need to put in non-ECC Ram due to the i7 not properly running with ECC ram (or at least stable)?

Yes. i7 does not support ECC RAM thus you need to replace your RAm with non-ECC RAM

3. Will the profiler on the Mac register it as a Xeon or i7?

I think it would be recognized as i7 because it's i7. That can be changed by modifying a file

I would get Xeon instead. It costs little more but when you add the price of new RAM, it shouldn't be much more

[formal]

Great thanks!

Last thing, anyone got suggestions on ram (non ECC) I run OCZ in my PC and it seems pretty stable etc?

Also what would the speed need to be 1066?

thanks again, much appreciated !

[formal]

Out of curiosity what would be the highest spec xeon that could go in the 2009 quad Mac Pro then?

[nanofrog]

Out of curiosity what would be the highest spec xeon that could go in the 2009 quad Mac Pro then?
W3580

[metcalfe]

Great to see other people are building their own Mac Pro from parts. Because I am about to attempt this feat. I will be building a Mac Pro4,1 (early 2009) and will document the experience online. Never done anything like this before...in fact I've been terrified to open my present computer for fear of messing it up. :D. I will leave a link to where I will keep my progress. (Link to come shortly.) I would very much to hear feedback from people who have done this in the past with tips or tricks and what to do's and what not to do's. Wish me luck! I just very well be nuts!

metcalfe

[highdefw]

Yes, you can use any 920 - 960 series i7 chips in the 2009 mac pro.

:eek:

How did I not already know this...

[feins]

Great to see other people are building their own Mac Pro from parts. Because I am about to attempt this feat. I will be building a Mac Pro4,1 (early 2009) and will document the experience online. Never done anything like this before...in fact I've been terrified to open my present computer for fear of messing it up. :D. I will leave a link to where I will keep my progress. (Link to come shortly.) I would very much to hear feedback from people who have done this in the past with tips or tricks and what to do's and what not to do's. Wish me luck! I just very well be nuts!

metcalfe

You may head to here to have a look on the detail and FYI i've completed the project by assembly a full working MacPro 4.1 (2009) Octo with Retail version of OEM intel Xeon W5590 3.33Ghz i've even had the whole process on FB just read through the thread and there are link for it.

Have fun.:)

[metcalfe]

You may head to here to have a look on the detail and FYI i've completed the project by assembly a full working MacPro 4.1 (2009) Octo with Retail version of OEM intel Xeon W5590 3.33Ghz i've even had the whole process on FB just read through the thread and there are link for it.

Have fun.:)


Do, you have a link for your FB build?

[feins]

Do, you have a link for your FB build?

You can head here for my Mac Pro 2009 project.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=26683&id=100000988159185

[fairbanx]

You can head here for my Mac Pro 2009 project.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=26683&id=100000988159185

Nice gallery. Thanks and congratulations. :)

[metcalfe]

You can head here for my Mac Pro 2009 project.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=26683&id=100000988159185

Beautiful build!!!

Can you help me understand a few things. Why did you have to use washers to add height and why did you have to redo the thermal pads? Is it because of the type of processors you used? If I use x5570 2.93s will I have to add spacers and a new pad? Thanks!

Also, where did you get all your screws and nuts from?

[feins]

fairbanx: Thanks :)

Beautiful build!!!

Can you help me understand a few things. Why did you have to use washers to add height and why did you have to redo the thermal pads? Is it because of the type of processors you used? If I use x5570 2.93s will I have to add spacers and a new pad? Thanks!

Also, where did you get all your screws and nuts from?

I've include the washers so that i wont be over tighten and damage the socket 1366 pins. The retail Intel Xeon have the IHS which increased the original height of the processor about 1.7mm-2mm as the Apple Processor doesn't come with IHS.

Here are a picture from AnandTech Mac Pro 2009 CPU upgrade project.
266608

The 2mm Thermal Pad use because of the increased in height from the Washer.

Yes if you use retail Intel Processor you have to use Washer and extra Thermal Pad.
Here is the original Apple Processor and the Intel Retail.
266609Apple Custom Processor 266610Intel retail Processor

On the screw and nuts its come together with the parts.

[metcalfe]

fairbanx: Thanks :)



I've include the washers so that i wont be over tighten and damage the socket 1366 pins. The retail Intel Xeon have the IHS which increased the original height of the processor about 1.7mm-2mm as the Apple Processor doesn't come with IHS.

Here are a picture from AnandTech Mac Pro 2009 CPU upgrade project.
266608

The 2mm Thermal Pad use because of the increased in height from the Washer.

Yes if you use retail Intel Processor you have to use Washer and extra Thermal Pad.
Here is the original Apple Processor and the Intel Retail.
266609Apple Custom Processor 266610Intel retail Processor

On the screw and nuts its come together with the parts.


Thanks for the quick reply. I am going for the exact same build as yours so you are a huge help! Are the W5590s crazy fast? Would you notice a difference versus the X5570s?
Sorry if this question is basic, but do I have to use thermal pads AND thermal paste for the W5590s? And where did you buy your thermal pads and your W5590s from?

So far this is what I have and what I have spent:

2009 Chasis with power supply and fans (ebay $190 NEW)
2009 8 core processor daughter board 661-4998 (ebay $299 NEW)
076-1329 Heatsink A & 076-1330 Heatsink B (ebay $300 both NEW)
early 2009 Apple Service Manual (found it free online)

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total so far: ($789)

things still needed:

076-1344 Processor Tray (see one on ebay for $24 NEW)
661-4996 Backplane Board (found for sale for $295 NEW)
922-9006 Blutooth Card
Airport Card
24GB Ram from OWC
HardDrives not sure yet
Optical Drives not sure yet...might look into bluray option
Power Cord
Mac Pro Restore Disks
HD5870 ATI Video Card (haven't looked at prices yet)
and finally the heart of project...cpus either X5570s or W5590s (wasn't aware of the W5590s option until I saw feins build.

Making good progress so far, but I need to find a good deal on the processors and I have been reading a little about d0 stepping (still not sure what that is) and Engineering Samples, and the nightmares they cause people. So I am a little intimidated, but that's the last thing I will buy because people have warned me that I need to be able to test the processors as soon are you get them so I know if they work.

[kellen]

Is this even cost effective doing for the dual processor versions? I understand using an i7 would be cheaper for the single cpu, but how much savings are we talking with the dual cpus?

[metcalfe]

Is this even cost effective doing for the dual processor versions? I understand using an i7 would be cheaper for the single cpu, but how much savings are we talking with the dual cpus?

If you were to buy the parts straight from websites such as mac-pro.com and applecomponents, macrecycling, welovemacs and macpalace, then no it's definitely not cost effective because they will nickel and dime you to death. I've been looking for 2 months now on eBay and strike when something I need is listed at a cheap price. I struck gold with my case: 190 for 2009 chasis with PSU, fans, and all internal casing. If you were to buy those individually like they sell them on those sites, you can expect to pay 300 for case, 300 for PSU, 30-50 per fan, internal cages could add up to over 100.

Now with that said...the CPUs are the deal breaker. If you buy them at retail, you'd be spending 3k and that's just not cost effective. They will be the last parts I buy and I will take as much time as I need in finding them for at least half the retail price. May take me months but just have to be patient. I figure this is my new hobby, so it should last for a little while :)

[feins]

If you were to buy the parts straight from websites such as mac-pro.com and applecomponents, macrecycling, welovemacs and macpalace, then no it's definitely not cost effective because they will nickel and dime you to death. I've been looking for 2 months now on eBay and strike when something I need is listed at a cheap price. I struck gold with my case: 190 for 2009 chasis with PSU, fans, and all internal casing. If you were to buy those individually like they sell them on those sites, you can expect to pay 300 for case, 300 for PSU, 30-50 per fan, internal cages could add up to over 100.

Now with that said...the CPUs are the deal breaker. If you buy them at retail, you'd be spending 3k and that's just not cost effective. They will be the last parts I buy and I will take as much time as I need in finding them for at least half the retail price. May take me months but just have to be patient. I figure this is my new hobby, so it should last for a little while :)

Ok here are the cost to build my unit and hope it gives you a clue how much i've spend.


Mac Pro 2009 Case with 980W PSU: £239.99 GBP ($381.90 USD)
Mac Pro 2009 Logic Board & UK Spec power core: £212.98 GBP ($338.88 USD)
Mac Pro 2009 Restoration DVD kit: €38.00 EUR ($27.97 USD)
24GB 6x4GB DDR3 1066 ECC Ram for Mac Pro: $570.00 USD
Xeon W5590 x2 OEM Processor: $1,850.00 USD
Mac Pro 2009 Technical and Installation document: $7.49 USD
2mm 100mm x 200mm Thermal Pad: $12.00 USD
Mac Pro 2009 Support Tray: $51.60 USD
Mac Pro 2009 8 core Processor Board: $369.53 USD
Mac Pro 2009 CPU-A heat sink: $159.35 USD
Mac Pro 2009 CPU-B heat sink: $285.10 USD
Ati 5870 for Mac: RM1,330.00 MYR

So far the amount i've spend on Parts so far are in total USD 4053.82

Recently i've bought myself an Areca ARC-1880i Raid Controller.
Back Panel upgrade for Mac Pro 2009 from Maxupgrade.
4pcs of WD 500GB RE4 SATA HDD for Raid5 setup.
1pcs WD 1.5TB mounted at the Optical Bay to ack as a Time Machine and Bootcamp for Windows7.

[Transporteur]

Xeon W5590 x2 OEM Processor: $1,850.00 USD


Where did you get them for that price? The only ones I keep seeing on ebay are ES (which I wouldn't touch with a 10ft pole).

And how are your idle fan speeds with these processors?

[metcalfe]

Is your MP able to get software updates if you don't have a serial number?

[Hellhammer]

Is your MP able to get software updates if you don't have a serial number?

Hackintoshes can get software updates so I can't see why serial numberless Mac Pro wouldn't.

[feins]

Where did you get them for that price? The only ones I keep seeing on ebay are ES (which I wouldn't touch with a 10ft pole).

And how are your idle fan speeds with these processors?

Previously was buying some parts from eBay and i request him to look for the processor for me. Yes you wont see the Retail/OEM processor at that price indeed.:p

Which fan are you referring to?

metcafe: No problem updating software im running on SL 10.6.6 now.

[feins]

Sry double post.

[Transporteur]

Which fan are you referring to?


Intake and Exhaust fan as well as BOOSTA and BOOSTB.
Normal IDLE speeds of Pro's with the stock processors (2.26 to 2.93GHz) are 600, respectively 1100-1200RPM.

Any noticeable increases with the 130W TDP CPUs?

[feins]

Intake and Exhaust fan as well as BOOSTA and BOOSTB.
Normal IDLE speeds of Pro's with the stock processors (2.26 to 2.93GHz) are 600, respectively 1100-1200RPM.

Any noticeable increases with the 130W TDP CPUs?

Oooh those ok here are a screenshot for the idling fans.:p
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[ildondeigiocchi]

I'm looking to build myself a second mac pro but don't want to have to buy a new one. I already have all the parts except the 2009 mac pro logic board. I've checked all the above mentioned sites and haven't been able to find it ... Any ideas?

[feins]

I'm looking to build myself a second mac pro but don't want to have to buy a new one. I already have all the parts except the 2009 mac pro logic board. I've checked all the above mentioned sites and haven't been able to find it ... Any ideas?

You can get it at www.applecomponents.com.
our you can buy from their ebay auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com.my/661-4996-Mac-Pro-Early-2009-Board-Backplane-/110629120266?pt=PCC_Drives_Storage_Internal&hash=item19c202690a#ht_978wt_811

[metcalfe]

Ok I have to ask a very dumb question here...what is raid0 and what advantage would there be to putting it in my MP 2009?

[feins]

Ok I have to ask a very dumb question here...what is raid0 and what advantage would there be to putting it in my MP 2009?

Ok here is what's from Wikipedia :p

RAID 0 (block-level striping without parity or mirroring) provides improved performance and additional storage but no redundancy or fault tolerance (making it not true RAID, according to the acronym's definition). However, because of the similarities to RAID (especially the need for a controller to distribute data across multiple disks), simple stripe sets are normally referred to as RAID 0. Any disk failure destroys the array, and the likelihood of failure increases with more disks in the array (at a minimum, catastrophic data loss is twice as likely compared to single drives without RAID). A single disk failure destroys the entire array because when data is written to a RAID 0 volume, the data is broken into fragments called blocks. The number of blocks is dictated by the stripe size, which is a configuration parameter of the array. The blocks are written to their respective disks simultaneously on the same sector. This allows smaller sections of the entire chunk of data to be read off the drive in parallel, increasing bandwidth. RAID 0 does not implement error checking, so any error is uncorrectable. More disks in the array means higher bandwidth, but greater risk of data loss.

[metcalfe]

"(at a minimum, catastrophic data loss is twice as likely compared to single drives without RAID)"

yikes!

looks technical...I guess if I don't understand it, it's probably something I don't need :)

[R.OG]

You can head here for my Mac Pro 2009 project.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=26683&id=100000988159185

Very nice, here are some pics of my homemade Mac pro with a core i7 950. I am definitely going to upgrade to dual CPUs using your washer idea.

http://s993.photobucket.com/albums/af53/kcog/Mac%20Pro/

[feins]

"(at a minimum, catastrophic data loss is twice as likely compared to single drives without RAID)"

yikes!

looks technical...I guess if I don't understand it, it's probably something I don't need :)
Lol actually the technical description are just to scary to understand. But to be short Raid0 doesn't have redundancy and if one HDD fails all data lost. but it gives you the best in performance since data are stripped across both hdd basically use for non critical environment.

Very nice, here are some pics of my homemade Mac pro with a core i7 950. I am definitely going to upgrade to dual CPUs using your washer idea.

http://s993.photobucket.com/albums/af53/kcog/Mac%20Pro/

Not bad there ;)

[Max58]

I've been looking into building a 2009 MP for the past couple days. I've got most everything priced out, there are a few things I'm uncertain about though. There are 2 different Versions of the backplane board, V1 is p# 661-4996 and V2 is 661-5444. I've looked and can't seem to find what the difference is between them, and whether they are both compatible with an 8 core processor board? I figure I'll have to buy screws for to mount the backplane board, as well as for the processor support tray, are there any others, and where did you get your screws from? I've looked at some of the parts sites and to me, paying $18 for 5 screws is absurd. Any help is appreciated.

[highdefw]

I've been looking into building a 2009 MP for the past couple days. I've got most everything priced out, there are a few things I'm uncertain about though. There are 2 different Versions of the backplane board, V1 is p# 661-4996 and V2 is 661-5444. I've looked and can't seem to find what the difference is between them, and whether they are both compatible with an 8 core processor board? I figure I'll have to buy screws for to mount the backplane board, as well as for the processor support tray, are there any others, and where did you get your screws from? I've looked at some of the parts sites and to me, paying $18 for 5 screws is absurd. Any help is appreciated.

The part number I used for the backboard is: 661-4996. Running dual quad with that.

This should help out with the screws. I ended up paying the $20 for the backboard screws. I looked everywhere else and couldn't find the proper size.

[fairbanx]

I figure I'll have to buy screws for to mount the backplane board, as well as for the processor support tray, are there any others, and where did you get your screws from? I've looked at some of the parts sites and to me, paying $18 for 5 screws is absurd. Any help is appreciated.

You may ask the seller to include the screws, since you're willing to buy the backplane board and support tray. Try to make a deal. The last time I asked, the support was unsure, but asked for the exact amount of screws. I didn't respond, since I bought a original Mac Pro for cheap. Try it!

[fairbanx]

What du you guys think? Is it possible to exchange the 2009 processor board with a 2010 (dual cpu)? I don't ask for hexacore support, but for the cpu-latches on the 2010 board, since it is more difficult to setup a 2009 8-core MP because of IHS on retail cpus. Afaik is the SMC on both boards (processor/backplane), but I wonder if it matters in this case?

[highdefw]

What du you guys think? Is it possible to exchange the 2009 processor board with a 2010 (dual cpu)? I don't ask for hexacore support, but for the cpu-latches on the 2010 board, since it is more difficult to setup a 2009 8-core MP because of IHS on retail cpus. Afaik is the SMC on both boards (processor/backplane), but I wonder if it matters in this case?

The MP I built last year was the first computer I ever put together. I did my research, but in the end I installed 2 quad xeons with IHS on the 2009 8-core processor tray. The latches would make it easier, but if you learn from other's mistakes, you should be fine.

Take your time, and be sure to double check, and triple check yourself.

[feins]

What du you guys think? Is it possible to exchange the 2009 processor board with a 2010 (dual cpu)? I don't ask for hexacore support, but for the cpu-latches on the 2010 board, since it is more difficult to setup a 2009 8-core MP because of IHS on retail cpus. Afaik is the SMC on both boards (processor/backplane), but I wonder if it matters in this case?

By replacing the Processor Board you will need to replace the Back Panel Logic Board together unless you are going for Hexacore otherwise its just a waste.

[utguy]

I am looking to build a Mac Pro as well. I am not sure what version of Backplane board to use. V1(661-4996) or V2(661-5444) can anyone help me? I am going to use a single Quad core 2.93ghz xeon.. thanks

[feins]

I am looking to build a Mac Pro as well. I am not sure what version of Backplane board to use. V1(661-4996) or V2(661-5444) can anyone help me? I am going to use a single Quad core 2.93ghz xeon.. thanks

The one i got is Ver1 i guess it doesn't really matter if its Ver1 or Ver2 maybe some one else can provide a better answer on this. As i notice that Ver2 is much cheaper than Ver1.

[scoletti]

I'm doing the similar projest I've bought the item below.
Mac Pro 2009 Case with 980W PSU: £239.99 GBP ($381.90 USD)
Mac Pro 2009 Logic Board & UK Spec power core: £212.98 GBP ($338.88 USD)
Mac Pro 2009 Restoration DVD kit: €38.00 EUR ($27.97 USD)
24GB 6x4GB DDR3 1066 ECC Ram for Mac Pro: $570.00 USD
Xeon W5590 x2 OEM Processor: $1,850.00 USD
Mac Pro 2009 Technical and Installation document: $7.49 USD
2mm 100mm x 200mm Thermal Pad: $12.00 USD
Mac Pro 2009 Support Tray: $51.60 USD
Mac Pro 2009 8 core Processor Board: $369.53 USD
Mac Pro 2009 CPU-A heat sink: $159.35 USD
Mac Pro 2009 CPU-B heat sink: $285.10 USD
Ati 5870 for Mac: RM1,330.00 MYR

So far the amount i've spend on Parts so far are in total USD 4053.82

Completed and running flawlessly.
Just got myself and Areca 1880i and 4 pcs of WD RE4 HDD going for Raid 5.


@Feins

Do you have the service manual, which you could share. I'm doing a similar project. How did you get on?

[davidmikhail]

Hey guys, Im currently trying to do this exact thing, build myself a mac pro 2009 octo from scratch. I found a place selling the enclosure with fans, cage, caddies, and everything it seems for $99 usd. I am also looking into buying 2 matching engineering samples xeon x5560's. i have also found a guy selling a psu from the original mac pro for $45 usd. I'm a little new to building mac pros, although I have built dozens of pc towers and a few macbooks and macbook pros. but right off the bat i have a few questions maybe you guys can help me with.

1.First off is the case Im looking at pre-wired or not? I honestly cant tell from the pictures sent to me. (i will post pics at the end.)

2.Case doesnt come with power supply. will a psu from an original mac pro work? if so is there anything I have to buy for it to make it compatible or is there no way (also found a psu which is a pull off from MB535LL/A, which i believe is the 2009 mac pro for $120, which isnt bad but isnt as nice as $45:))

3.Is there a problem with using engineering sample xeons in a mac pro? Ive been reading around and it seems that a majority of people who do it use engineering samples, but i believe someone on this discussion was saying how they wouldnt go near them and tries to avoid them. can someone clarify this issue for me?

Thank you in advance, I am really excited about this project and cant wait to get some input and positive feedback.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/mikhaildavid/mac%20pro/P1220853.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/mikhaildavid/mac%20pro/P1220854.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/mikhaildavid/mac%20pro/P1220856.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/mikhaildavid/mac%20pro/P1220857.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/mikhaildavid/mac%20pro/P1220858.jpg

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/mikhaildavid/mac%20pro/P1220859.jpg

[Transporteur]

1.First off is the case Im looking at pre-wired or not? I honestly cant tell from the pictures sent to me. (i will post pics at the end.)


Those black things you see are wires. Now guess. :D


2.Case doesnt come with power supply. will a psu from an original mac pro work? if so is there anything I have to buy for it to make it compatible or is there no way (also found a psu which is a pull off from MB535LL/A, which i believe is the 2009 mac pro for $120, which isnt bad but isnt as nice as $45:))


You need a 2009/2010 PSU. Others are incompatible in any possible way.


3.Is there a problem with using engineering sample xeons in a mac pro? Ive been reading around and it seems that a majority of people who do it use engineering samples, but i believe someone on this discussion was saying how they wouldnt go near them and tries to avoid them. can someone clarify this issue for me?


ES per se are fine. Just make sure that you get CPUs with a D0 stepping. All others won't work.

[davidmikhail]

Those black things you see are wires. Now guess. :D



You need a 2009/2010 PSU. Others are incompatible in any possible way.



ES per se are fine. Just make sure that you get CPUs with a D0 stepping. All others won't work.

Thanks for the reply. I could see that there are SOME wires in the chassis, but i was unsure because ive messed around with a 2008 mac pro, and they have SIGNIFICANTLY more wiring than this case did. I also figured that maybe those wires just for the superdrive. ok, so it looks like ill have to bite the bullet and pay $120 for the psu, so that makes $240 (shipping included) for the enclosure and power supply. not bad i guess