What is your Mac Pro sitting on?

[chrono1081]

Hi guys,

I was just wondering what you all sit your mac pro on if its not on your desk.

Mine should be here tomorrow *crosses fingers* and the carpet in my room is too spongy to sit it on (and I don't like it to be on the floor anyway. I thought finding a small stand or something that would let it fit under my desk would be easy but boy was I wrong! (And i'm not skilled enough to make one)

So what is your mac pro sitting on? Does anyone know where I can find something like this? (Sorry for the quality. I'm in a hurry haha)

[jessica.]

The carpet and I hate that. Dust magnet that I clean often.

[davelanger]

Hi guys,

I was just wondering what you all sit your mac pro on if its not on your desk.

Mine should be here tomorrow *crosses fingers* and the carpet in my room is too spongy to sit it on (and I don't like it to be on the floor anyway. I thought finding a small stand or something that would let it fit under my desk would be easy but boy was I wrong! (And i'm not skilled enough to make one)

So what is your mac pro sitting on? Does anyone know where I can find something like this? (Sorry for the quality. I'm in a hurry haha)

I have a carpet in my den, so I use one of these

http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/910740/3M-Adjustable-Computer-Stand-16-H/?cm_mmc=Mercent-_-Google-_-Carts_and_Stands-_-910740&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=plusbox-beta&mr:trackingCode=CE166F1B-EC81-DE11-B7F3-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA

They work great.

[eponym]

Hi guys,

I was just wondering what you all sit your mac pro on if its not on your desk.

Mine should be here tomorrow *crosses fingers* and the carpet in my room is too spongy to sit it on (and I don't like it to be on the floor anyway. I thought finding a small stand or something that would let it fit under my desk would be easy but boy was I wrong! (And i'm not skilled enough to make one)

So what is your mac pro sitting on? Does anyone know where I can find something like this? (Sorry for the quality. I'm in a hurry haha)

You can make something like that VERY easily.

1) Go buy a board/shelf for the base piece
2) Buy 4 short legs that would be used for a standalone cabinet or vanity (I know Ikea sells some nice, cheap ones)
3) Attach feet to board/shelf

:D

[My MP sits on my desk, by the way—but it's 7 feet wide]

[kellen]

If I had an extra 100 to blow on making my MP look cool it would be hanging from this:
http://lowendmac.com/newsrev/07/dr0223/maccuffpro_tn.jpghttp://lowendmac.com/newsrev/07/dr0223/maccuffpro_cu_tn.jpg

But I just have it sideways on one of these, an 8 dollar black/brown lack end table from Ikea:
http://daddytypes.com/archive/ikea_side_table_lack.jpg

[-SD-]

Mine's sat inside a Vika Annefors trestle, so it's at least raised up off the floor a little.

:apple:

[reel2reel]

I have a carpet in my den, so I use one of these

http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/910740/3M-Adjustable-Computer-Stand-16-H/?cm_mmc=Mercent-_-Google-_-Carts_and_Stands-_-910740&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=plusbox-beta&mr:trackingCode=CE166F1B-EC81-DE11-B7F3-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA

They work great.

That looks perfect for what I want. The Mac Pro sits pretty solid on it?

[Mr. Anderson]

My old one sat on the floor - my new one is going to sit on the desk for now - too much dust.

D

[davelanger]

That looks perfect for what I want. The Mac Pro sits pretty solid on it?

Yes very solid.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs361.snc4/44405_153622127982173_100000031609595_514455_5145000_n.jpg

[TheShinyMac]

If I had an extra 100 to blow on making my MP look cool it would be hanging from this:
http://lowendmac.com/newsrev/07/dr0223/maccuffpro_tn.jpghttp://lowendmac.com/newsrev/07/dr0223/maccuffpro_cu_tn.jpg

But I just have it sideways on one of these, an 8 dollar black/brown lack end table from Ikea:
http://daddytypes.com/archive/ikea_side_table_lack.jpg

Well is there any additional stress put on the top two handles? Causing them to break or bend

[Intell]

Not a Mac Pro, but my old MDD G4 sits next to the cat box and it sucks in a lot of cat fur and little dust. I've resorted to taping dryer sheets to the back to trap it all. I've actually noticed a decrease in dust after I've started keeping it on all night and all day.

[Hrududu]

Anybody still sell These? (http://www.drbottkg.com/prod/G5Skateboard.html)

[Cynicalone]

What do you mean by "spongy"?

The Mac Pro is around 50 pounds or more depending on how you have it configured it's not going to move much once you have it in place. If you are worried about it falling over.

As for dust that can be a problem but it does sit about 2 to 3 inches off the ground with the feet.

A simple and cheap solution would be to go to the local lumber yard and get them to cut you a piece of plywood. 2 foot long and 1 foot wide would be more than enough. Then just lay that on the floor and set the Mac Pro on top of it. Not the prettiest but it would be cheap.

[iVoid]

I had my G5 and then MacPro sitting on top of some glass cinder blocks. Really made an inexpensive glass stand for it.

[Intell]

Spongy as in shag carpet or carpet with long/thick weave.

[Vylen]

I had my G5 and then MacPro sitting on top of some glass cinder blocks. Really made an inexpensive glass stand for it.

Oh, that gives me an idea... I have a left over Acrylic sheet from an old project... I can put my Mac Pro on top of it (and something under the sheet... haven't thought of what yet).. since currently it's just sitting on the carpet :p

[wally21]

Here's my setup. I've had it this way for a while now with no visible signs of stress on the case. These things just look like they were meant to hang.

[Vylen]

Here's my setup. I've had it this way for a while now with no visible signs of stress on the case. These things just look like they were meant to hang.

I would love to do that but the underside of my desk is currently occupied by powerboards and cables which I am re-orgranising right now with ;)

But a note on the handles... it would take more than the machines own weight to bend 2.93mm thick (i was bored and measured it with calipers) aluminium.. especially since stuff like (yacht) masts can be made of this stuff

[wally21]

But a note on the handles... it would take more than the machines own weight to bend 2.93mm thick (i was bored and measured it with calipers) aluminium.. especially since stuff like (yacht) masts can be made of this stuff

I agree about the strength of the case. I'm actually more worried about my table giving out (it's only ikea) than any direct stress on the mac pro.

[sboerup]

But a note on the handles... it would take more than the machines own weight to bend 2.93mm thick (i was bored and measured it with calipers) aluminium.. especially since stuff like (yacht) masts can be made of this stuff

Exactly . . . this is why the "UPS WARNING" thread is so shocking. That must have been one heck of a drop to make that happen.

[reel2reel]

Yes very solid.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs361.snc4/44405_153622127982173_100000031609595_514455_5145000_n.jpg

Nice, thanks.

[reel2reel]

Anybody still sell These? (http://www.drbottkg.com/prod/G5Skateboard.html)

Haha, that's amazing! Too bad you can't take it higher off the ground, though. I like the roof, too.

[dissolve]

If I had an extra 100 to blow on making my MP look cool it would be hanging from this:
http://lowendmac.com/newsrev/07/dr0223/maccuffpro_tn.jpghttp://lowendmac.com/newsrev/07/dr0223/maccuffpro_cu_tn.jpg

But I just have it sideways on one of these, an 8 dollar black/brown lack end table from Ikea:
http://daddytypes.com/archive/ikea_side_table_lack.jpg

I was thinking about going with those Lack tables. Does it feel pretty sturdy on one of those? You have it laying on its side?

[seek3r]

Hi guys,

I was just wondering what you all sit your mac pro on if its not on your desk.

Mine should be here tomorrow *crosses fingers* and the carpet in my room is too spongy to sit it on (and I don't like it to be on the floor anyway. I thought finding a small stand or something that would let it fit under my desk would be easy but boy was I wrong! (And i'm not skilled enough to make one)

So what is your mac pro sitting on? Does anyone know where I can find something like this? (Sorry for the quality. I'm in a hurry haha)

Mine sits on the floor under my desk, I prop my feet up on it :)

[glassbathroom]

If I had an extra 100 to blow on making my MP look cool it would be hanging from this:
http://lowendmac.com/newsrev/07/dr0223/maccuffpro_tn.jpg

This is a Sonnet Maccuff I think. I always fancied one of these since my original G5, but never got round to buying one. Has anyone used one? How is it?

They are a bit pricy. I thought by now there would be similar cheaper options.

[alphaod]

I have Ikea Galant desk and it comes with a desktop tower hook that hangs off on the side. It works great lets my Mac Pro sit about 6 inches off the ground (which is carpeted).

[2contagious]

Anybody still sell These? (http://www.drbottkg.com/prod/G5Skateboard.html)

oooh, I'd like to know that, too. Do they work on the new Mac Pros? (it's designed for G5)?

[alphaod]

oooh, I'd like to know that, too. Do they work on the new Mac Pros? (it's designed for G5)?

Seeing that the Mac Pro and the G5 have the same shape and size case externally… Yes.

[Alfihar]

I use an Ikea Summera computer holder. Works well if you have an Ikea Galant desk.

[glassbathroom]

I found this as an alternative to the expensive Maccuff Pro.

http://www.kaecorp.com/store.html

What do you think? I am going to try and order one. Not sure if they will ship to the UK, but it is worth a try.

[Chenier]

I was interested in the Sonnet Maccuff as well, until I found out that my desk would likely not support the weight (particleboard of some sort w/ laminate). Searched around for stands and carts, and was surprised at the lack of options that were both compact and nice-looking (to my eyes, at least). Decided to fashion something myself.

I made a rolling platform from a 13" x 22" utility shelf. From the hardware store, I purchased a small piece of .25" thick oak plywood, casters, washers, and some acorn cap nuts, and put it all together.

Sure, it's a little strange-looking and certainly not the quickest / easiest solution, but now my new baby won't have to reside directly on the floor, and I can easily roll it out from under my desk as needed. Now all I need is for my MP to show up tomorrow and meet its new home...

[Washac]

This is a Sonnet Maccuff I think. I always fancied one of these since my original G5, but never got round to buying one. Has anyone used one? How is it?

They are a bit pricy. I thought by now there would be similar cheaper options.

Hi Ya

I have used one of these ( Got mine from Ebay for about £50 ) and it worked very well indeed, if you do not mind putting half a dozen screws into the underside of your desk.

Also I found that some help lifting onto and off of the hanger would be very wise.

[glassbathroom]

Hi Ya

I have used one of these ( Got mine from Ebay for about £50 ) and it worked very well indeed, if you do not mind putting half a dozen screws into the underside of your desk.

Also I found that some help lifting onto and off of the hanger would be very wise.

Cool thanks Washac,

Well done for getting it for £50. How strong is your desk? Is it solid wood? I have a composite plywood thing and I am a bit apprehensive as to whether it will take the weight on the screws.

[DigitalVT]

Not what I'll be putting it on, but rather what I am putting it into, apologies if it seems slightly "off-topic", but I'm getting a case for it as it'll go "out on the road"!!

http://tinyurl.com/37yfxmm

[kellen]

I was thinking about going with those Lack tables. Does it feel pretty sturdy on one of those? You have it laying on its side?

It's sitting upright, diagonal on the table. Very sturdy. If you wanted to you could cut the legs to make it shorter, but this height matches my desk so it's easy to get at the drives. Plus it's only 8 bucks.

[tjernis]

I thought Lack tables were made for Xserves:

http://wiki.eth-0.nl/index.php/LackRack


/ET

[mBox]

I agree about the strength of the case. I'm actually more worried about my table giving out (it's only ikea) than any direct stress on the mac pro.We've put them cases to crazy stresses and yes they will hold ;)

[dissolve]

It's sitting upright, diagonal on the table. Very sturdy. If you wanted to you could cut the legs to make it shorter, but this height matches my desk so it's easy to get at the drives. Plus it's only 8 bucks.

Very true. I was a little more worried about waking up to a shattered table and Mac
Pro on the floor :eek:

But it's good to hear you've gotten it working for you. Maybe an Ikea trip is in order...

[Mr_Ed]

I use an Ikea Summera computer holder. Works well if you have an Ikea Galant desk.

This is what I use as well, though I opted to install it by securing the "L" shaped pieces inside the end of the desk frame instead of under the frame as you did, so the computer hangs outside of the desk instead of under it.

However you choose to attach it, I think it works really well if you have an Ikea desk. Not expensive either.

[glassbathroom]

I found this as an alternative to the expensive Maccuff Pro.

http://www.kaecorp.com/store.html

What do you think? I am going to try and order one. Not sure if they will ship to the UK, but it is worth a try.

I have now ordered one of these in silver. They were willing to ship to the UK (for free) if I ordered a Cable Manager as well. Total cost - $85 (£55). I will let you know how it works out.

[xgman]

Stick on wheels from the container store. Wheels should come stock, but these help immensely.

[alphaod]

I use an Ikea Summera computer holder. Works well if you have an Ikea Galant desk.

Now that explains that what those brackets were for! :o

I have mine mounted at the end which is a big far away for me.

[strausd]

Mine is just on the carpet, the handles seem to keep it elevated well.

[reel2reel]

Has anyone tried one of these raise-n-roll dollys:

http://www.raisenroll.com/prod_info.html

I'm worried about the depth of the dolly, 18 inches. The Mac Pro depth is 18.7, so I'm worried the feet would be right at the very edges, which might not be stable.

[eponym]

$55 for that thing!?!?!?!?! And in melamine no less?

That's criminal. You could make one yourself from $10-15 worth of stuff at Home Depot and a spare 30 minutes.

[reel2reel]

$55 for that thing!?!?!?!?! And in melamine no less?

That's criminal. You could make one yourself from $10-15 worth of stuff at Home Depot and a spare 30 minutes.

Actually, the price is cheaper than that ($42) but I don't think there store has been updated in a while, which worries me even more. I got the price quote when I emailed them regarding shipping.

But my question was about the size, not the price. And, for the record, I don't make crap myself. I live in a flat, not a woodshop.

[Sean Dempsey]

Not alot of physics majors here I take it.... but a Mac Pro hanging from hooks as wide as the handles is no more pressure/risk than the bottom handles bending/breaking when sitting on a flat surface.


Would you worry that a bridge you could stand on would be to weak to hang from?

[chrono1081]

I use an Ikea Summera computer holder. Works well if you have an Ikea Galant desk.

:eek: I DO have a Galant desk! I will have to get something soon. I have a UPS and a mac pro tower to get up off the floor. My little **** dog already almost peed on the mac pro >:(

[reel2reel]

:eek: I DO have a Galant desk! I will have to get something soon. I have a UPS and a mac pro tower to get up off the floor. My little **** dog already almost peed on the mac pro >:(

Hope he doesn't pee on the UPS! :eek:

[glassbathroom]

Not alot of physics majors here I take it.... but a Mac Pro hanging from hooks as wide as the handles is no more pressure/risk than the bottom handles bending/breaking when sitting on a flat surface.


Would you worry that a bridge you could stand on would be to weak to hang from?

I think the issue is that it is effectively hanging from screws that are screwed into the desk. The desk surface has to be able to take this kind of fixing. Some lightweight desks might struggle.

[chrono1081]

Hope he doesn't pee on the UPS! :eek:

Same here! He's a cute little guy but we never had him as a puppy, and the humane society guesses he was a stray since birth so he is quite the challenge to house train. Three years later he is still going in the house : / I've had dogs all my life and this is the first one I can't get house trained : /

He peed on the cat once while the cat was sleeping...that went over exactly how you think it went over lol!

[reel2reel]

He peed on the cat once while the cat was sleeping...that went over exactly how you think it went over lol!

Haha, thanks, that gave me a good laugh.

Here are a couple articles I found, not sure how useful they are for you, but hopefully there's something helpful:

http://ezinearticles.com/?Potty-Training-An-Older-Dog---7-Practical-Tips&id=389692

http://www.ontariospca.ca/2-behavtips-dog4.shtml

Hope it works out!

[mustang_dvs]

My Mac Pro is sitting on the bottom shelf of a $20 Target kitchen rack that I converted into a lightweight 19" data equipment rack. (Influenced by this poorly thought-out Engadget how-to (http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/11/how-to-rackmount-your-gear-for-cheap/).)

The wheels of the G5 Skateboard I've got attached to the bottom of the MP sit perfectly between the wire rack bars.
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A Frankensteined Gateway turned NAS sits immediately next to the MP. With a gigabit HP switch, my DVI KVM and a VPN router in the rack, my MacMini server and its drives in the sliding shelf and a laser printer up top.

Maybe I'll take a picture this evening.

[sochet]

Not alot of physics majors here I take it.... but a Mac Pro hanging from hooks as wide as the handles is no more pressure/risk than the bottom handles bending/breaking when sitting on a flat surface.


Would you worry that a bridge you could stand on would be to weak to hang from?

Errrrr.... you sure about that?

[glassbathroom]

Not alot of physics majors here I take it.... but a Mac Pro hanging from hooks as wide as the handles is no more pressure/risk than the bottom handles bending/breaking when sitting on a flat surface.


Would you worry that a bridge you could stand on would be to weak to hang from?

Re-reading this I think I got the wrong end of the stick. You were talking about stresses on the Mac Pro enclosure maybe. In which case I agree the difference is negligible. The aluminium is in tension rather than compression, but that will make little difference I think. It was designed to be lifted/held by the handles.

[beto2k7]

Piece of wood with microfiber cloth on top of it

[xgman]

The wheels of the G5 Skateboard I've got attached to the bottom of the MP sit perfectly between the wire rack bars.
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unfortunately the skateboard is no longer made, but to my eye is the most attractive wheel solution. Some aluminum wheels right into the base of the case would be nice, but difficult to install. All desktop towers should come with wheels. I don't get why they don't at least have the option.

[alphaod]

Piece of wood with microfiber cloth on top of it

I hate to ask, but…

Why can't you just stand it on the floor?

[robvas]

I hate to ask, but…

Why can't you just stand it on the floor?

Protects the floor, and the case.

[VirtualRain]

I hate to ask, but…

Why can't you just stand it on the floor?

LOL! Took three pages for someone to ask/suggest this?! :D

BTW, mine sits on the floor, and I haven't witnessed any ill effects from it ;)

[OptimusP83]

Sitting on Dubs....:eek:

[2contagious]

I hate to ask, but…

Why can't you just stand it on the floor?

I think the microfiber cloth gave it away: probably so it doesn't get scratched

[JesterJJZ]

Mine hovers from the ground on a high strength electromagnetic levitation board I made.

On another note. I'm having trouble saving my files. Everytime I save something to my hard drive it's always gone next time I come back to it. :confused:

[reel2reel]

LOL! Took three pages for someone to ask/suggest this?! :D

BTW, mine sits on the floor, and I haven't witnessed any ill effects from it ;)

My place is dusty *and* I have pets, so hair tends to travel like tumbleweeds. That's the only reason I want it off the floor. I found a wood stand finally that's the perfect size and keeps it about two feet off the floor, clear of the tumbleweeds.

[glassbathroom]

Mine hovers from the ground on a high strength electromagnetic levitation board I made.

On another note. I'm having trouble saving my files. Everytime I save something to my hard drive it's always gone next time I come back to it. :confused:

Cool!!!

[xgman]

Here is a variety of options:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=133&zenid=1929f28c0ba73e534995f99e5cf93907

[paulcristo]

This is a Sonnet Maccuff I think. I always fancied one of these since my original G5, but never got round to buying one. Has anyone used one? How is it?

They are a bit pricy. I thought by now there would be similar cheaper options.


I own one and they work great. Very sturdy. The trick is making sure it's attached to the bottom of the desk well. I used screws and a lot of wood glue.

[mBox]

Here is a variety of options:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=133&zenid=1929f28c0ba73e534995f99e5cf93907Cool link :) Pimp my Pro ;)

[Usernames Suck]

Mine hovers from the ground on a high strength electromagnetic levitation board I made.

Pictures?

[you39]

Not alot of physics majors here I take it.... but a Mac Pro hanging from hooks as wide as the handles is no more pressure/risk than the bottom handles bending/breaking when sitting on a flat surface.



Not necessarily:
a) The door could tight fit close the C shape the case forms seen from the front, when the weight is pressing top down on the handles - but not when the weight is pulling on the handles.
b) We don't know how the handles are attached at the door side - it is at least possible that there's screws that are attached at a place that can withstand more pushing force than pulling force. Or vice versa.
c) We don't know if the bottom and top handles are attached in the exact same manner.
d) Every time you touch the desk there's vibrations that are transmitted to the mac when it's hanging. That could increase the effective force on the handles. It could also loosen the screws that possibly attach the handles to the rest of the case.

Sorry for the nitpicking... It's probably save to hang it, nevertheless. :)

[alphaod]

Not necessarily:
a) The door could tight fit close the C shape the case forms seen from the front, when the weight is pressing top down on the handles - but not when the weight is pulling on the handles.
b) We don't know how the handles are attached at the door side - it is at least possible that there's screws that are attached at a place that can withstand more pushing force than pulling force. Or vice versa.
c) We don't know if the bottom and top handles are attached in the exact same manner.
d) Every time you touch the desk there's vibrations that are transmitted to the mac when it's hanging. That could increase the effective force on the handles. It could also loosen the screws that possibly attach the handles to the rest of the case.

Sorry for the nitpicking... It's probably save to hang it, nevertheless. :)

Worse case scenario… your computer falls like 4 inches? :p

[you39]

Worse case scenario… your computer falls like 4 inches? :p

:) Not even that, probably. The case could get damaged though...

[abccba]

Here's mine... Just a sheet of plywood...
And the black thing on top is foam, don't wanna scratch this beauty! :rolleyes:

[glassbathroom]

I own one and they work great. Very sturdy. The trick is making sure it's attached to the bottom of the desk well. I used screws and a lot of wood glue.

Many thanks for this reply.

[glassbathroom]

I have now ordered one of these in silver. They were willing to ship to the UK (for free) if I ordered a Cable Manager as well. Total cost - $85 (£55). I will let you know how it works out.

I know this is an old thread, but I promised a report back, so here goes. I bought one of these from:-

http://www.kaecorp.com/store.html

I have now had time to install it and I have attached some photos. It works great. The desk is a really cheap low quality number from Ikea. I was really worried it would not take the weight because it is hollow and the underside is only a bit of hardboard. The screw fixings went in very easily and I was not convinced they engaged properly with the desk surface. Fortunately I used "No Nails" glue and I think it is this that is mainly holding it in place. I kept a few books under the legs (with a small gap) for a few days, just in case it decided to give way. All good so far.

I really love it. I think it was really worth the money and effort.:)

[Angelo95210]

Nice installation but I am not that much fan of the cable going down screwed along the foot of the table...

[lannister80]

Mine sits on a 1/2 inch think plank of wood, painted with silver metallic paint. Keeps it up off the carpet and is less dusty.

[w00tini]

that is a thing of beauty!

[glassbathroom]

Nice installation but I am not that much fan of the cable going down screwed along the foot of the table...

that is a thing of beauty!

Thanks guys,

I quite like the cable. I was going to shorten it, but I thought I would leave it like this incase I need to move the set up sometime (further from the socket).

[alphaod]

<snip>


Nice clean up there.

I need to organize my cables soon; the back of my computer are like a dozen or more cables going—one for each possible connector and maybe a USB hub as well. :(

I usually clean up the inside of my build very well, but it appears I never do very well on the outside.

[glassbathroom]

Nice clean up there.

I need to organize my cables soon; the back of my computer are like a dozen or more cables going—one for each possible connector and maybe a USB hub as well. :(

I usually clean up the inside of my build very well, but it appears I never do very well on the outside.

I know. It's one of those things you never get round to isn't it. I purchased a pack of cable ties and had great fun.

[Pressure]

Here is my humble setup.

It isn't normally this clean, considering it is a work area ;)

My next project is to get the VESA mounts for the Apple Cinema Display and mount them on the wall.

Mac Pro mounted under the table as well as cables and power supplies for the displays.

[gabicava83]

That is amazingly nice.

both 30"?

lovely

Here is my humble setup.

It isn't normally this clean, considering it is a work area ;)

My next project is to get the VESA mounts for the Apple Cinema Display and mount them on the wall.

Mac Pro mounted under the table as well as cables and power supplies for the displays.

[Pressure]

That is amazingly nice.

both 30"?

lovely

Nah, they are just 23" Apple Cinema Displays :)

[mangrove]

:eek: I DO have a Galant desk! I will have to get something soon. I have a UPS and a mac pro tower to get up off the floor. My little **** dog already almost peed on the mac pro >:(

The heck with a MP stand, get a doggy fence.