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Wow. Just wow.
Wow. Just wow.
Forget about the Crucial C300 SSD in a MacBook. If you check out the Crucial forum you find lots of entries about C300 problems. See: http://www.forum.crucial.com/t5/for...cation=Node:ssd&q=macbook+pro+i7#message-list
The 6Gbps mode also has problems in PCs under Windows. The Firmware 006 upgrade introduced the stuttering problem, which can be experienced with all operating systems. OWC is a much better choice.
I've had my C300 since uh.... the first batch (oops, that's how I roll). It has been great in my i7 930 gaming rig for almost a year now- on firmware rev 0001. I just updated to 0006 today, hopefully when I throw it back in the gaming rig and re-Windows it, it'll still be as reliable as it had been.
I am sorry to say, but you most probably made a mistake upgrading to Firmware 006. There is a sticky tread (16600 Views / 640 replies) on the crucial forum about the flawed 006 FW: http://www.forum.crucial.com/t5/Sol...eries-Firmware-Version-006-Release/td-p/24093
Unfortunately there is no way to downgrade from 006 or you will brick your drive.
I bought a second C300 in January and that piece of crap came with 006 already installed. I use it now in an external SATA drive case for backups.
Ok so just to be clear, the OP's testing has indicated that there was a problem with the drive's firmware, not the MBP sata III port?
Have to say though, the 240GB OWC that I got for it is a pretty nice drive (at the moment). It is encrypting right now, once that's done, I'm going to run ...
- Install a stripped down build (no printers, languages, additional software, etc.) on the C300, SATA III (Slot 0) tomorrow morning. Benchmark. Post results
- Install the same stripped down build on the OWC SSD (SATA II) in slot 0 when it arrives (theoretically before 10:30am). Benchmark. Post results
Excuse me for sounding like a noob (although I'm fairly computer savvy), but how exactly does one go about stripping down the OS for this purpose? I mainly want to save disk space on my 128GB SSD. You don't have to explain the whole process if you don't want to, but if anyone knows a solid, easy to follow link that would be great. I imagine it involves a lot of terminal?
This is correct. Only SATA III ports are affected and only 2-5. EVERY Sandybridge chip was affected. This happened just before Feb. 1 and, initially, Intel said they would recall every Sandybridge chip made. 3-4 days later they said that they would allow resellers to use the flawed Sandybridge chips if they didnt use SATA ports 2-5. This would allow you to use a SATA III drive and an optical drive with no problems (no eSATA).I just read a description of the Intel chipset flaw here:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20030070-64.html
Apparently the problem only affects SATA ports 2-5 and not 0-1. Are you guys saying the ODD is connected to port 2,3,4 or 5 instead of 0 or 1?
Also, even if Apple is shipping MBPs right now with the faulty chipsets, wouldn't they get replaced eventually, so if you wait a few months to get a MBP, you shouldn't have a problem?
The Intel chipset has 2 6Gbps ports and 4 3Gbps ports. Apple has stated that they did not use any early flawed chipsets, so all of these ports are available for Apple to use. The hard drive in the new MBP is hooked up to a 6Gbps port.- are the new macbook pro '11 are they 3Gbps SATA or 6Gbps? even tho thread title says 6Gb seems the OP is having hard time getting to that?
Ports 0 and 1 are 6Gbps and ports 2-5 are 3Gbps.- is 0 port 6Gbps and the rest 3Gbps?
Yes.- is it the same for a 15inch macbook pro?
Yes.- are apple ssd's 3Gbps max?
SATA III is a set industry standard, so the Vertex 3 should work when it comes out. However, as we have seen, it's not so simple -- this is why the OP was trying it out with his SATA III C300.- and what is the guarantee that these new Vertex 3 everyone is going on about be able to work in the new macbook pros?
The regular HD bay should allow 6Gbps. We still do not know how the optical drive is connected -- possibly to a SATA II connection, but hopefully not.if the max is 3Gbps that OS X allows how is it going to use its full potential?
Hope this helps!Im confused please help
The benefits to buying a SSD as an option from Apple are generally that (1) it's already installed, (2) it's covered by your Apple warranty and AppleCare if you buy it, so if you have problems, you can just go to Apple, and (3) you can be confident that the drive works well with your MBP.
The drawbacks are generally that (1) you pay a significant premium -- usually more that double -- compared to similar (or even the exact same) part bought aftermarket, (2) you have to install yourself, and (3) if you have a problem (bad RAM stick, early HD failure) you have to go to that manufacturer rather than Apple.
Installing a new drive isn't that difficult -- Apple considers it a user-serviceable part and they have directions on their site. Better yet, ifixit.com has lots of guides on how to do all these things as well as selling the less common tools you may need.
Regarding SSDs, however, there have been some concerns voiced that the types that Apple sells (made by Samsung) are more susceptible to performance drop-off over time than other SSDs that use a SandForce controller, like OCZ's models, including the Vertex line.
Take a look at the ifixit site and consider saving some $$.
Also, that Vertex 3 was just reviewed at anandtech.com and is expected to be an absolute monster of a drive -- nothing that an Apple-bought SATA II drive can even hope to match.
Believe it or not, the 128gb SSD option is actually decent for $100. That's IF you consider the 750gb 5400 rpm a 'throw-away' drive in the top line 15 MBP.
[W]hat does a faster SSD (Vertex 3, OCZ models) achieve compared to an Apple SSD? in games and 3D modeling? just faster (a couple of seconds shorter) in loading?
Results 302.34
System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.6.6 (10J567)
Physical RAM 8192 MB
Model MacBookPro6,2
Drive Type OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD
CPU Test 219.44
GCD Loop 341.18 17.98 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 194.30 4.62 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 129.02 4.26 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 416.72 72.56 Mops/sec
Thread Test 528.37
Computation 532.57 10.79 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 524.24 22.55 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 330.98
System 379.39
Allocate 586.19 2.15 Malloc/sec
Fill 229.55 11161.30 MB/sec
Copy 541.96 11193.86 MB/sec
Stream 293.52
Copy 295.67 6106.91 MB/sec
Scale 291.54 6023.05 MB/sec
Add 296.45 6314.94 MB/sec
Triad 290.53 6215.13 MB/sec
Quartz Graphics Test 261.29
Line 223.42 14.87 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 314.27 93.83 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 248.52 20.26 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 261.71 6.60 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 275.22 17.22 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 250.21
Spinning Squares 250.21 317.40 frames/sec
User Interface Test 378.85
Elements 378.85 1.74 Krefresh/sec
Disk Test 310.71
Sequential 186.34
Uncached Write 260.39 159.88 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 262.08 148.28 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 91.74 26.85 MB/sec [4K blocks]
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Random 934.31
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Uncached Write 477.06 152.73 MB/sec [256K blocks]
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Another Question
My dilemma is buying top end 15" macbook pro and it will have SSD but don't know whether go for 128GB or 256? and if buying 3rd party then would have to find someone to install it (which will be hard) especially if the 3rd party SSD goes down then would have to swap it back for Apple to look at. (which sounds more of a hassle)
SATA III is a set industry standard, so the Vertex 3 should work when it comes out. However, as we have seen, it's not so simple -- this is why the OP was trying it out with his SATA III C300.
Vertex 3 is already out. There are 2 versions, the standard and the PRO version(faster by 10% and can take 5x more NAND writes). Vertex 3 is fasst and is Sata 3. Read/write are both over 500MB/s
Really interested in this thread as well. My 15" will arrive late next week hopefully and I am playing with the idea of buying two SSD's, but I will definitely change that plan if the ODD is connected to SATA2.