There's exactly one thing I use X11 for: WINE.
If WINE gets a native Quartz UI, then there will be much rejoicing.
If WINE gets a native Quartz UI, then there will be much rejoicing.
It works just fine. There's a few minor quirks because of X11, but negligible.Last time I checked, GIMP was rubbish on OS X anyway.
Excuse me, but Pixelmator is a toddler's toy compared to the Gimp. You can't honestly expect to do any serious professional work in it, and its proprietary format will lock you down.I hear Pixelmator is pretty great these days, maybe you should try that?
THis is having an incredible negative effect upon programs in ML.
GIMP wont run even with Xquartz
CrossOver does not launch Windows programs correctly, and instead shuts down
MacPorts is useless (Not just because of X11, but because of changes to Xcode)
Yeah, there are a few bugs to be worked out
This isn't just a removal, where reinstallation via XQuartz fixes things all nice and neat.
All the underlying launchd mechanisms that made the Apple X11 function so well with previous versions are gone as well. All the automatic $DISPLAY setting methods, for example, are ripped out. Installation of the XQuatrz package does nothing to fix that.
Since there's no way to get the old startx methods to work anymore -- because they're just gone.
This is not something they'll be fixing. I hope XQuartz manages to do something about it, but there are no guarantees. This is the kind of thing that can become orphanware in a hurry.
Bingo! There was no point in Apple shipping it since we could get the latest version via open source. Only problem here is that Apple is no longer guaranteeing that X11 will work when a new version of the OS ships.
Its possible for OS X to break X11 and the open source XQuartz team to have to quickly produce an update to support new operating system releases.
Its probably not much of a concern if you wait a couple weeks after the release of a new version of OS X to upgrade. They should have any required updates available to XQuartz within a few weeks (or possibly before) release of OS X, given the availability of developer previews.
Can someone confirm that Matlab works with XQuartz?
Make no mistake. XQuartz doesn't work in its present form on ML.
Don't know if I can make it plainer.
Yep. Installed. Tested. Failed. Debugged. Failed. Next?
Is the fact that removing X11 causes various applications to break not a valid concern?
I occasionally use GIMP, but according to various posters, it no longer works, even with XQuartz. Will you be buying me a similar photo editing application so I can work with my photos when 10.8 comes out?
Just remember, ML is just a beta at this point. That's the point of betas: find out what doesn't work & fix it.
Sometimes I have a feel in that Lion is also still Beta... I really miss the times when Macintosh was reliable and stable system. Now it is just a load of junk. Crashes all the time (i made a clean installation less than 3 moths ago) and the rainbow wheel is up every other minute.
If that's the way the OS X is gonna go, I see dark times ahead.
Gee, thanks, Apple, for continuing to not support legacy technologies and destroy people's data and intellectual property. Way to go...
If every company spent all their time building in support for outdated legacy **** that only 20 people still use
Yeah, 50 MB reduction on a 1 TB HDD. Impressive! Oh wait, not!Since most people don't use X11, it will reduce the install footprint.
As with most updates, MacPorts will need to adjust to this change. We're working on it, and you can follow the thread I started on macports-dev for specific information.
Here is the correct version:Just remember, ML is just a beta at this point. That's the point of betas: find out what doesn't work & fix it.
It works just like the changes with Java, it won't install until you need it.
Do you know if it will be an official Apple app on the MacApp store (if that's even feasible with sandboxing, if Apple applies that rule to themselves), or if you will be distributing it with a developer certificate, or will you pretty much install it like you do now, or...?...We're working on it...
...Didn't want to quote whole thing to I'll settle for "Mass pwnage to all the haters." ...
Am I the only one who was overjoyed by Jeremyhu showing up and completely owning everyone complaining about issues?
You sir rock.
Such a refreshing change to read a post by someone who actually knows what they are talking about!
Yeah, 50 MB reduction on a 1 TB HDD. Impressive! Oh wait, not!
Excuse me, but Pixelmator is a toddler's toy compared to the Gimp. You can't honestly expect to do any serious professional work in it, and its proprietary format will lock you down.
It works just fine. There's a few minor quirks because of X11, but negligible.
Excuse me, but Pixelmator is a toddler's toy compared to the Gimp. You can't honestly expect to do any serious professional work in it, and its proprietary format will lock you down.
As of right now, there is nothing I despise more than Mountain Lion.
There's hardly any change from Lion, and even the new stuff is not worth the trouble IMO.