The UK is excluded from EU laws because it's not part of the EU.
WHAT! I hope you are not British, this is something they teach to primary school kids.
Link to EU member website, UK has been a member for almost 30 years.
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The UK is excluded from EU laws because it's not part of the EU.
Naive, youthful narcissism at its finest. Yeah, I knew more than everyone else on the planet at your age as well. Most everyone does. Then the planet taught me some life lessons, as it does to all naive young narcissists.
Uh, no... the only difference is that I've proved myself. Let's start with OS X. I have six certifications from Apple and I had to read and learn about 2,500 pages of information. I have 16 apps on the App Store (self taught objective-c, my first programming language) and I'm constantly being hired or asked to work. The IT department at my school has no idea what they're doing, even though it's their job, and I am always asked for advice. In middle school, the headmaster based some of his choices and opinions about the iPad pilot program based on what I had to say.
I really have better things to do than brag, which I'm not trying to do, but I can't express to you how much it angers me when I am put down and treated like a normal teenager. I don't know what you meant when you said that you knew more than everyone else at your age, as "most everyone does", but I'm not an idiot, so don't treat me like one. I'm sure I can stand in a store and explain to people why they should buy an iPad.
The UK is excluded from EU laws because it's not part of the EU.
Completely agree. I love how I know more about OS X than they'll ever know, but I can't have a job because I'm not 18.
Can you even legally work most of the hours the store is open?
Here in NY, under the age of 18 you can't work during school hours and you can't work past 9. Can't open, can't close. That qualifies you to work weekends and holidays only.
Why would they hire you when there are plenty of people who fit their scheduling needs? They'd put you through the same training session, regardless, at the end of which you're certified to have enough knowledge to sell macs. I'm sure getting extra knowledge for free has value, but an employee who can't work much doesn't.
UK has been a member for almost 30 years.
Uh, no... the only difference is that I've proved myself. Let's start with OS X. I have six certifications from Apple and I had to read and learn about 2,500 pages of information. I have 16 apps on the App Store (self taught objective-c, my first programming language) and I'm constantly being hired or asked to work. The IT department at my school has no idea what they're doing, even though it's their job, and I am always asked for advice. In middle school, the headmaster based some of his choices and opinions about the iPad pilot program based on what I had to say.
I really have better things to do than brag, which I'm not trying to do, but I can't express to you how much it angers me when I am put down and treated like a normal teenager. I don't know what you meant when you said that you knew more than everyone else at your age, as "most everyone does", but I'm not an idiot, so don't treat me like one. I'm sure I can stand in a store and explain to people why they should buy an iPad or help someone with computer problems.
Buying up the stock of an item from a store solely to try to scalp it to others for a ridiculous price is called "gouging" and "sleazy" not "being an entrepreneur." There's definitely something wrong with purposely trying to make sure legitimate customers have no access to an item they actually want, when these pigs had no interest in actually using the iPad in the first place.
Er...almost 40 years as we joined on 1st January 1973.
Are you smoking crack, or did I just miss your sarcasm?
That Apple chooses to accept returns does not even begin to imply that they're obligated to do so.
Cynicism...my point was that many of the policies made in the EU just aren't adopted by the UK, from the Euro to work and immigration policy.
Wirelessly posted
If I was the manager I would refuse to refund them just for the lulz!
In the UK you don't have to refund something if there is nothing wrong with it. Many stores have a 14 day return policy. But that's all it is, a policy. Managers can and sometimes will overrule it.
They could have a 5 item return limit per day.
something to still accept them but make it a pain to do.
Track based on Driver's License or ID like Best Buy and pharmacies who can only sell X amount of allergy stuff.
Uh, no... the only difference is that I've proved myself. Let's start with OS X. I have six certifications from Apple and I had to read and learn about 2,500 pages of information. I have 16 apps on the App Store (self taught objective-c, my first programming language) and I'm constantly being hired or asked to work. The IT department at my school has no idea what they're doing, even though it's their job, and I am always asked for advice. In middle school, the headmaster based some of his choices and opinions about the iPad pilot program based on what I had to say.
I really have better things to do than brag, which I'm not trying to do, but I can't express to you how much it angers me when I am put down and treated like a normal teenager. I don't know what you meant when you said that you knew more than everyone else at your age, as "most everyone does", but I'm not an idiot, so don't treat me like one. I'm sure I can stand in a store and explain to people why they should buy an iPad or help someone with computer problems.
Good luck trying that crap in the states. If it is your policy when you sell it then I bought it under the assumption that I could return it. The policy does not have any stipulations on it. That is not my fault, it is Apples. Why they don't have a limit on the number you can buy, I don't know. 30 seems a bit excessive.
I have a friend that works at an Apple Store and he said that they were dealing with unscrupulous resellers who returned shrink wrapped "New iPads" that actually had iPad 2's inside. Crazy.
Dude, you sound just like a normal teenager.
Buying up the stock of an item from a store solely to try to scalp it to others for a ridiculous price is called "gouging" and "sleazy" not "being an entrepreneur." There's definitely something wrong with purposely trying to make sure legitimate customers have no access to an item they actually want, when these pigs had no interest in actually using the iPad in the first place.
WTF?
This is the most basic contract law. Calling it English common law is unfair since it probably goes back to the stone age.
You go to the Apple store.
You agree to pay $599 for an iPad.
The guy in the store gives you the iPad.
You leave.
If there's nothing wrong with the iPad, and we can assume that there's nothing wrong with your $599 since dollars are fungible, then both sides have fulfilled their obligations under the contract. You can't suddenly decide you don't want the iPad anymore and force Apple to dissolve the contract anymore than Apple can retroactively raise the price.
That Apple chooses to accept returns does not even begin to imply that they're obligated to do so.
Completely agree. I love how I know more about OS X than they'll ever know, but I can't have a job because I'm not 18.
Naive, youthful narcissism at its finest. Yeah, I knew more than everyone else on the planet at your age as well. Most everyone does. Then the planet taught me some life lessons, as it does to all naive young narcissists.
You obviously don't understand economics.
When Apple has a "lack in supply of iPad", what we really mean is that there aren't enough iPads to meet demand... AT THAT PRICE. The bold part is crucial. In order to equalize supply and demand (and for Apple to maximize profits), sellers of products normally (throughout most of economic history) adjust the price. So in this case, the price should be higher until there is enough supply and then the price can be reduced to keep enough demand to eat the supply.
But Apple doesn't adjust prices based on availability or use an auction system. Instead they launch with constrained supply, a fixed price, and the result is massive waiting periods and physical line-ups. The amount of time spent by people in line-ups is massive (and it has a time and therefore monetary-value).
The resellers are not doing anything evil or sleazy. They are not "gouging". The technical term is arbitrage. Apple doesn't adjust the price to match market conditions, which means Apple is actually under-selling the iPad during the first weeks with low supply. The resellers are noticing this arbitrage window which is basically money that Apple has left on the table and doing what Apple should have done and making the profit for the trouble. Their profit is the discrepancy between the market-price and the fixed retail price.
Thanks to resellers, customers don't have to wait in line-ups. If you want it, you can have it on the spot - you just have to be willing to bid more than your fellow iPad addict. If you want it so badly you're willing to pay a few hundred bucks more, it can be arranged.
The fact that the resellers are returning the iPad means that Apple has done something right - they didn't move to an auctioning system - and frankly it would feel weird for them to do so - rather, they made sure they had adequate supply built-up this time.
Good for Apple. Good for the customer. The resellers will always find another arbitrage window to close. And that's good for the customer too.
Completely agree. I love how I know more about OS X than they'll ever know, but I can't have a job because I'm not 18.
They don't want/need 'know it alls' and 'fanboys', they need good sales people and people with good customer service skills.
Went for a group interview at a UK store a couple of years back, looking back I'm glad I didn't get it as I've got a much better paid tech job elsewhere, but there were plenty of people with Apple experience, those who owned lots of Apple products, and even a lad who ran the in-store Apple concession in PC World. None of them got a job at the store. The only thing you offer over other people is the ability to answer questions from people like yourself. How many people go into the stores for that in comparison to the number who just go in to buy the latest gadget?