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Vote on Nano-SIM Standard Delayed Amid Continued Disagreements
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exactly, I'm unsure 'how much' would be gained over a micro sim, but if one has to win apple's looks the much better solution,
but I question the need for a 'sim tray' to use it, it could easily be used in phones without a tray using a 'door' or such to hold it down, at least in rival phones where the back comes off.
Who told you, you cannot use an adapter with Nokia's solution? I think, adapters can be made for either solution. I guess, until now, you must have been saying that Apple's solution was better since it saves space. Now you find out that it doesn't save space, so came up with another reason.
Nokia has a point on Apple's design idea.
I'm not to keen on Nokia or RIM and their MicroSD card style SIM either. I don't see how a backward compatible adapter could be made for this design.
I'm not to keen on Nokia or RIM and their MicroSD card style SIM either. I don't see how a backward compatible adapter could be made for this design.
Actually, just last year I was shocked when a Japanese exchange student of mine told me that in Japan they DON'T use SIM-cards.
Every phone has a unique identifier -- and apparently, at least in Japan, they use this ID as THE sim card. Really, all a sim card is (in smart phones) is an ID that communicates with the telco and gets permission to make and accept calls. Back in the old days SIM cards would also be used to hold contact data etc. but this has all since been passed on to the device's internal storage.
Every wonder how you can still use a sim-less phone to call emergency numbers?
So yeah -- SIM-lessness is possible, but you'd have to get networks the world over to do business nicely with each other. Can you imagine a person switching from one network to the other and the amount of work the networks will have to process then -- rather than just relying on easily-swappable SIM cards? Yeah, that'll be the day.
point taken! rather bluntly though lol.. and maybe i was sleeping im about 10 hours ahead of you so... middle of the night for me
Perhaps Apple has more going on with that tray than just the sim...
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/tech-nfc/
There is also the probability that Nokia's entry is violation IP from the Secure Digital Organization as a representative from SanDisk stated.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/03/30/etsi.postpones.nano.sim.vote.due.to.divisions/
You were dreaming that we were all asleep and you were awake.
Don't they use a form of CDMA that is incompatible with virtually every other country on earth?
Going to lose these
Retailer: There you go.
Customer: You did not give me anything.
Retailer: Yes I did.
Customer: No you didn't!
Ad Infinitum
They are way too small! I hope they won't be making sim cards any smaller in the future. People who travel will be losing these for sure.
Retailer: There you go.
Customer: You did not give me anything.
Retailer: Yes I did.
Customer: No you didn't!
Ad Infinitum
Harry,
While you appear to follow this issue more closely than others, you also seem rather involved emotionally. A more civil tone would be appreciated by most readers, if not all.
Dave
While you appear to follow this issue more closely than others, you also seem rather involved emotionally. A more civil tone would be appreciated by most readers, if not all.
Dave
Most probably.
But even if they didn't, the SIM card really isn't anything more than digital ID.
They think of happiness...of the shareholders and hopefully employees. They can't sacrifice profit to make people feel all warm a fuzzy. They'd go out of business. Besides, Nokia could probably use all the money it can get.
Why don't they just make it so you pair your phone with a SIM card via an external adapter? That way you don't need to keep the physical SIM card inside your phone.
https://twitter.com/#!/shurcooL/status/122055837651972097
https://twitter.com/#!/shurcooL/status/122055837651972097
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I think this is a way that Microsoft (through Nokia) can foil Apples design plans using a smaller chip. Apple is offering the card royalty free and most carriers support their design. Typical Microsoft, late to the game and holding things up for their own gain.
I think this is a way that Microsoft (through Nokia) can foil Apples design plans using a smaller chip. Apple is offering the card royalty free and most carriers support their design. Typical Microsoft, late to the game and holding things up for their own gain.
It seems like an internal ROM could be flashed to change the necessary data, a sort of virtual SIM card. I really don't see the point of an external SIM card except for customers who want to use multiple phones with a single account (and I doubt there are an overwhelming number of those customers).
Who told you, you cannot use an adapter with Nokia's solution? I think, adapters can be made for either solution. I guess, until now, you must have been saying that Apple's solution was better since it saves space. Now you find out that it doesn't save space, so came up with another reason.
sorry what? until you told us how to find out what each proposed sim looked like I was completely unaware and frankly had no opinion (how could I without knowing what they were).
I would assume that an adapter could be made for nokias solution but it would have to be a complex adaptor with connection pass-throughs and not just a bit of plastic like how microsims are made full size now.
I will take an apology for your derogatory and disrespectful tone, how dare you assume anything about me, but I feel you have shown exactly the type of person you are in your post.
Just ditch the bloody SIM card, it's past-millenia technology, and unify the damn internet with the phone network. Give users a username and a password, and let's forget about fiddling with 2 phones or swapping stupid annoying tiny SIM cards from one phone to the other at the airport while trying to carry 2 super heavy bags without dropping the damn phones (of which one is made entirely of glass) or the SIM card. I do this 6 times a year and I can tell you that in the 21st century this is very out of place.
Go to your carrier's website >> Activate phone >> Enter ESN >> Done. I used to do it all the time. It may be a pain in the butt, but it works! What we need is a simpler system.
There is an easy solution to this. The rights holders could be paid a one-time fee from Apple with it's deep pockets and its advocacy for a particular design as consideration. That way they would not be giving up money, only future cash flows and IP management overhead.
Done.
Rocketman
Done.
Rocketman
What's happening is Apple is trying to seek more votes than they have, putting them in a winning position. If they win, the deal is they offer their design royalty free, but in exchange, anyone that Apple has a licensing deal with had to offer their patents for free.
In essence, if this goes through Apple will have successfully strong-armed their competitors into "letting" Apple use their IP for free. Apple won't "make" money, but they'll "save" money. As the expression goes, a penny saved is a penny earned.
Apple's competition - e.g. every other phone company - doesn't like this because they 1) Make money off of their IP, and 2) because Apple's idea is arguably worse. The only thing gained by siding with Apple is lost IP revenue.
I can store contact information and text messages on my SIM, and I do. I realize that I'm in the minority, but it's nice to have all the same. I'd be sad if that functionality went away.