Exactly. And Apple's proposed sim would be backwards compatible!
powerless in the vote yes, but powerful to know and argue which I would prefer to see in potentially my next phone.
and after reading the Verges article I much much prefer Apple's solution, purely I can use an adaptor for older phones, nokia's solution I could not.
it's even more important, many a time I have purposely used my old nokia n95 on a night out because I don't mind (as much) if it gets stolen, I'd be devastated if my iPhone was stolen, plus thieves specifically target iPhone users.
but in all honesty I would say micro sim is small enough how much more battery capacity would you get from using a nano sim?
Another ETSI requirement for the 4FF standard reads:
The design of the fourth UICC form factor shall prevent the 4FF from becoming jammed in a Mini-UICC reader. An example is that if the 4FF is turned 90 degrees and it fits perfectly into the Mini-UICC reader (4FF length = Mini-UICC width).Nokia contends that Apple's design violates that requirement, and it's easy to see why: its nano-SIM is roughly 12mm long while the existing micro-SIM is 12mm wide, giving users the opportunity to jam a nano-SIM sideways into a micro-SIM slot and get it hopelessly stuck. It's a scenario that the ETSI's documentation specifically calls out.
Deep pockets make for shallow morals it would seem.Apple is also coming under fire from the other participants in the negotiations, with Research in Motion accusing Apple of hiding its efforts to stack the voting panel by having at least three of its employees re-register for voting purposes as representatives of various carriers. It is unclear exactly what Apple's justification is for changing the registered affiliations of its representatives ahead of the previously-planned voting.
<chant>Sim-less, sim-less!</chant>
Seems you don't read the articles fully or don't follow the story correctly.
In the leaked docs, it was shown that Apple's proposal actually increases the total area of the sim area(with the required tray). So though actual Sim size is smaller, it requires a tray which in turn increases the space rather than what many uninformed folks like you believe.
Go and read the leaked documents on The Verge or on MacRumors.(not sure, if it was published here).
Nokia's design actually reduces the total sim area giving the benefit of more space for battery and other components as you mentioned.
Open your eyes and ears and then comment.
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Go and read the actual leaked docs and then see whose design actually frees up the space. You will be surprised to know that you were sleeping till now.
Seems you don't read the articles fully or don't follow the story correctly.
In the leaked docs, it was shown that Apple's proposal actually increases the total area of the sim area(with the required tray). So though actual Sim size is smaller, it requires a tray which in turn increases the space rather than what many uninformed folks like you believe.
Go and read the leaked documents on The Verge or on MacRumors.(not sure, if it was published here).
Nokia's design actually reduces the total sim area giving the benefit of more space for battery and other components as you mentioned.
Open your eyes and ears and then comment.
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Go and read the actual leaked docs and then see whose design actually frees up the space. You will be surprised to know that you were sleeping till now.
Don't they use a form of CDMA that is incompatible with virtually every other country on earth?Actually, just last year I was shocked when a Japanese exchange student of mine told me that in Japan they DON'T use SIM-cards.
They are way too small! I hope they won't be making sim cards any smaller in the future. People who travel will be losing these for sure.Can we get a grain of rice next to it?
Seems you don't read the articles fully or don't follow the story correctly.
In the leaked docs, it was shown that Apple's proposal actually increases the total area of the sim area(with the required tray). So though actual Sim size is smaller, it requires a tray which in turn increases the space rather than what many uninformed folks like you believe.
Go and read the leaked documents on The Verge or on MacRumors.(not sure, if it was published here).
Nokia's design actually reduces the total sim area giving the benefit of more space for battery and other components as you mentioned.
Open your eyes and ears and then comment.
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Go and read the actual leaked docs and then see whose design actually frees up the space. You will be surprised to know that you were sleeping till now.
Don't they use a form of CDMA that is incompatible with virtually every other country on earth?
Wirelessly posted
Companies r so greedy. They never think in terms of happiness but profit
Can you imagine a person switching from one network to the other and the amount of work the networks will have to process then
<chant>Sim-less, sim-less!</chant>
Who told you, you cannot use an adapter with Nokia's solution? I think, adapters can be made for either solution. I guess, until now, you must have been saying that Apple's solution was better since it saves space. Now you find out that it doesn't save space, so came up with another reason.
is that not what pac codes are forOriginally Posted by theanimaster
Can you imagine a person switching from one network to the other and the amount of work the networks will have to process then
as long as you can use an adaptor to make it a full size sim card so you can switch it to any other phone, I don't care which one wins.
I definitely never ever want no sim at all, what do you do if you you want to take a cheap rubbish phone on a night out?
So apple wants to use the existing SIM card contacts (but smaller)
but the competitors want to switch to a new proprietary card
I am guessing the competitors is seeking new licensing fees?
Actually, just last year I was shocked when a Japanese exchange student of mine told me that in Japan they DON'T use SIM-cards.
Every phone has a unique identifier -- and apparently, at least in Japan, they use this ID as THE sim card. Really, all a sim card is (in smart phones) is an ID that communicates with the telco and gets permission to make and accept calls. Back in the old days SIM cards would also be used to hold contact data etc. but this has all since been passed on to the device's internal storage.
Every wonder how you can still use a sim-less phone to call emergency numbers?
So yeah -- SIM-lessness is possible, but you'd have to get networks the world over to do business nicely with each other. Can you imagine a person switching from one network to the other and the amount of work the networks will have to process then -- rather than just relying on easily-swappable SIM cards? Yeah, that'll be the day.