Me too. My biggest concern at this point is the thunderbolt ethernet support. I am almost 95% sure that I will be primarily running linux on my macbook pro retina.
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HOWTO: 2880x1800 Without Scaling in OS X
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Me too. My biggest concern at this point is the thunderbolt ethernet support. I am almost 95% sure that I will be primarily running linux on my macbook pro retina.
An update on my experiences on 2880x1880.
For mobile productivity, its game changing.
I've made some changes to the ergonomics of my workstation for comfort and to prevent the tendency of leaning in towards the screen on smaller objects, and its working out well.
I am slightly nearsighted (.75 correction) and am able to clearly distinguish any element on the screen at 22-24" from my eyes. I can still operate sitting roughly 36" from the laptop screen, however I personally lose focus without my glasses ever so slightly at that distance, and I'd imagine the scale of text exacerbates my distance vision.
TL;DR: My visions not perfect and I have adjusted perfectly to 2880x1800 native. I haven't experienced such general satisfaction with a laptop since the Thinkpad T40 series.
While it may be obvious, rendering at the native 2880x1800 removes any and all scaling defects (fuzzy fonts, blown out icons, etc) and is very smooth in GPU accelerated, desktop applications. The 650M is buttery smooth for business productivity on this display and an external 2560x1600.
For mobile productivity, its game changing.
I've made some changes to the ergonomics of my workstation for comfort and to prevent the tendency of leaning in towards the screen on smaller objects, and its working out well.
I am slightly nearsighted (.75 correction) and am able to clearly distinguish any element on the screen at 22-24" from my eyes. I can still operate sitting roughly 36" from the laptop screen, however I personally lose focus without my glasses ever so slightly at that distance, and I'd imagine the scale of text exacerbates my distance vision.
TL;DR: My visions not perfect and I have adjusted perfectly to 2880x1800 native. I haven't experienced such general satisfaction with a laptop since the Thinkpad T40 series.
While it may be obvious, rendering at the native 2880x1800 removes any and all scaling defects (fuzzy fonts, blown out icons, etc) and is very smooth in GPU accelerated, desktop applications. The 650M is buttery smooth for business productivity on this display and an external 2560x1600.
@plazmic: Do you know if this app is actually able to overcome the scaling issue described in this thread?
That means, if you create a 1440x900px profile in SwitchResX, does it display old "not-yet-retinafied" apps normal as it would on an old MBP? Or are they also pixelated and blurry? If it actually would display them normal than the app would really be a game changer.
Would be great if somebody with a Retina MBP could try that for me!
Thanks!
MD
That means, if you create a 1440x900px profile in SwitchResX, does it display old "not-yet-retinafied" apps normal as it would on an old MBP? Or are they also pixelated and blurry? If it actually would display them normal than the app would really be a game changer.
Would be great if somebody with a Retina MBP could try that for me!
Thanks!
MD
This is exactly what I'm looking for! At the moment, I need current apps and things to look great, not wait for everything to be updated to retina. Any news/updates would be greatly appreciated. Kinda scared to buy the RMBP until this is clear. Can't look at blurry stuff until it's updated!!
To be clear here (I'm not quite sure how it works), is the physical resolution 2880x1800, but it shows a 1440x900 image (e.g. 1 pixel becomes 4), and what you're doing is forcing it to show a 2880x1800 image?
Edit: so it's basically real-estate vs clarity?
Edit: so it's basically real-estate vs clarity?
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Correct.
I dunno guys, I don't have perfect vision but I'm trying the 1920x1200 scaled mode and even with it the text is a bit too small for my liking. Maybe I will adjust. Don't know how you can stand going full-native though.
Dude, you just conviced me to buy this laptop. I have very good eyesight, so for me to hear u adjusted made me so happy
already wrote about this some days ago
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=15039604
and im so happy that this fix is already out. I cant understand why apple didnt include the option. Didnt cost them nothing to do it. And people have more choices. Please share more info on how its going
thanks again!
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Why would u get worse clarity/picture quality at native 2880x1440. Its still the same amount of pixels pushed. everything is just smaller. But pictures etc will still look as good.
I tried this out, but when I tried going back to the factory defaults, it got messed up. Now none of the scaling options in System Preferences work. It looks like SwitchResX deleted this file:
Can someone be kind enough to zip up this file and attach it here or send it to me? I don't want to go through the hassle of a restore just for 1 missing system file.
By the way, beware of this application! Don't let it happen to you.
Code:
/System/Library/Displays/Overrides/DisplayVendorID-610/DisplayProductID-a00fCan someone be kind enough to zip up this file and attach it here or send it to me? I don't want to go through the hassle of a restore just for 1 missing system file.
By the way, beware of this application! Don't let it happen to you.
sure
Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>IOGFlags</key>
<integer>4</integer>
<key>scale-resolutions</key>
<array>
<!-- internal panel modes AND modes mirroring external panels (but not kDisplayModeValidForMirroringFlag) " -->
<!-- This list includes sizes that overlap between and preferred sizes the internal panel and common matches for external displays" -->
<!-- If the internal panel does not need a sizes then set kDisplayModeValidForMirroringFlag and move them down to that list " -->
<data>AAAPAAAACWAAAAAB</data> <!-- 3840x2400 internal 16x10 1920x1200 -->
<data>AAANIAAACDQAAAAB</data> <!-- 3360x2100 internal 16x10 1680x1050 -->
<data>AAAKAAAABkAAAAAB</data> <!-- 2650x1600 internal mirror 16x10 to mirror to external 30" -->
<data>AAAIAAAABQAAAAAB</data> <!-- 2048x1280 internal 16x10 1680x1050 21" -->
<data>AAAEAAAAAwAAAAAB</data> <!-- 1024x768 internal mirror 4x3 compatibility -->
<data>AAADIAAAAlgAAAAB</data> <!-- 800x600 internal mirror 4x3 compatibility -->
<data>AAACgAAAAeAAAAAB</data> <!-- 640x480 internal mirror 4x3 compatibility -->
<!-- internal panel to mirror to common external displays (best for external - kDisplayModeValidForMirroringFlag) " -->
<!-- already present above --> <!-- 2650x1600 internal mirror 16x10 to mirror to external 30" -->
<data>AAAKAAAABaAAAAABACAAAA==</data> <!-- 2650x1440 internal mirror 16x9 to mirror to external 27" -->
<data>AAAHgAAABLAAAAABACAAAA==</data> <!-- 1920x1200 internal mirror 16x10 to mirror to external 21" -->
<data>AAAHgAAABDgAAAABACAAAA==</data> <!-- 1920x1080 internal mirror 16x9 to mirror to external 1080p -->
<data>AAAFAAAAAtAAAAABACAAAA==</data> <!-- 1280x720 internal mirror 16x9 to mirror to external 720p -->
<!-- internal panel low-resolution modes (game compatibility) " -->
<!-- already present above --> <!-- 1920x1200 internal low-res 16x10 upscale mode -->
<data>AAAGkAAABBoAAAAB</data> <!-- 1650x1050 internal low-res 16x10 upscale mode -->
<data>AAAFoAAAA4QAAAAB</data> <!-- 1140x900 internal low-res 16x10 upscale mode -->
<data>AAAFAAAAAyAAAAAB</data> <!-- 1280x800 internal low-res 16x10 upscale mode -->
<!-- EXTERNAL panels to mirror to internal displays (best for internal) " -->
<data>AAAPAAAACWAAAAAJAKAAAA==</data> <!-- 3840x2400 mirror external panels to internal (include 2x) -->
<data>AAANIAAACDQAAAAJAKAAAA==</data> <!-- 3360x2100 mirror external panels to internal (include 2x) -->
<data>AAALQAAABwgAAAAJAKAAAA==</data> <!-- 2880x1800 mirror external panels to internal (include 2x) -->
<data>AAAKAAAABkAAAAAJAKAAAA==</data> <!-- 2650x1600 mirror external panels to internal (include 2x) -->
<data>AAAHgAAABLAAAAAJAKAAAA==</data> <!-- 1920x1200 mirror external panels to internal (include 2x) -->
<data>AAAHgAAABDgAAAAJACAAAA==</data> <!-- 1920x1080 mirror external panels to internal 1080p (no 2x) -->
<data>AAAFAAAAAtAAAAAJACAAAA==</data> <!-- 1280x720 mirror external panels to internal 720p (no 2x) -->
</array>
</dict>
</plist>also - I just did this, and it's fairly awesome. Yeah it's tiny, but man that much resolution feels good.
I've had similar issues during tinkering, but using switchresx to go back to scaled modes worked and after reboot so did the built in preference pane.
The original post does state there's issues with using switchresx, the most concerning is the login screen after a reboot.
I answered another similar question already: 1440x900 (non-scaled) is being redirected and forced back into the scaled HiDPI mode (presumably by the nvidia kexts). In other words, I haven't been able to get OS X to actually display @ 1440x900.
But to answer your question directly, that mode would fix the blurriness introduced by applications that don't support HiDPI. Just as running in a true, nonscaled 2880x1800 does. However, you will give up the image clarity you see in "retina mode"... when we can get 1440x900 to work without HiDPI, it will look identical to the regular MBP's (not counting color/contrast/other panel differences).
Thank you so much, you are a lifesaver!
Funny this is exactly the same file as DisplayProductID-a00e. Can someone confirm that DisplayProductID-a00f and DisplayProductID-a00e are identical?
Thanks again!
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I was playing around with the custom resolutions on the last tab... so I don't recommend doing that.
Yes, that's exactly what I would need: to force it to use true 1440x900, so it doesn't use it's weird scaling behaviour that makes old apps look really terrible, but just look like it did on the regular MBPs.
Pity, that that's not possible. Let's hope there will be some software that can do this soon.
Thanks for trying it out, though!
Good to hear. When I just got my 17" MBP, the text seems small, as I was transiting from my 24" 1920X1200 screen. However, soon after, I realised that I was more productive on the 17", than the 24". The eyes tire lesser.
I later read about the Bates Method, which teaches how the eyes are suppose to see. Basically our eyes are made to focus only on a small part (centralisation). You are only suppose to see one word at a time, not a bunch of words. In that sense, small text is better than large text.
http://www.seeing.org/intro/faq/faq03.htm
http://www.cleareyesight.info/
Don't get me wrong, large displays are good if you can be positioned further. If you have limited space, large displays/text simply tire your eyes quickly.
So native res on the RMBP maybe suitable for people who have near 20/20 eyesight.
Now I just have to wait for Windows compatability...
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I cant REALLY answer for him, but most people forget screen size and number of pixels are totally unrelated. have you ever tried using a 1080p 42" tv as a comp monitor? sitting up close to it, the resolution in't that great, besides the fact its impossible to see the whole thing when you are 2 feet away. a more drastic example would be looking up close at any projector image, same idea
now if you have the same 1080p in say a 22" monitor, you can see the whole screen and its not pixelated.
a bigger screen doesn't always equal more screen real estate.
If you have to ask, then you'll never understand!
Totally trying this within the first 30 minutes. Hurry up and ship it Apple!
Amen. I'm downloading this now.
Have any of you tried to use Quartz Debug from Developer Tools to toggle hidpi mode off? What was the result?
Do you mind posting a video of the native resolution?? It seems interesting and I would like to try this on my RMBP too.
this is so unbelievably insane. I can hardly see anything and it's great!!!!!!! So much real estate!
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Yeah i know Tv's have terrible resolutions, was thinking of higher res computer monitors. You make a good point about visibility at close range though.