Mac Pro 3,1 and ATI Radeon HD 5870 kills CPU power

do you have 2 power cables connected to the 5870? (i.e., how are you powering it?)

Did you ever flash it or does system see it as "Radeon 5000 series"?

You can probably buy a replacement fan for 2600, if it is an Apple OEM one the fan is a standard 4 pin.

If it is a flashed one, it will have 2 pins/wires.

What slot do you have the Native Card in???

I set up a system I had to throw the native card in slot 4
EDIT: Older MP, I think 1,1 - 2,1 - 3,1 SLOT 2 .... 4,1 up SLOT 4
Potentially a slot order issue that wasnt a problem with the 2600 but is with the new GPU ????

Also - check your PCIe config and make sure it isn't changed and choking out your native card or GPU

Expansion Slot Utility, located in /System/Library/Core Services

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2838

so you have the correct power cables that connect to main board?

You should probably flash the card with a proper rom, as currently it is just being id'd as a family, not specific card

not sure if that is current issue but it can only help

strange. I have a mac pro 2,1 with a 5870 card running just fine.

Sorry to hear about your troubles

I've never heard of a "CPU can't keep up" error. What the heck is that?

Also, the 2600 fan might be spinning up because of dust. Try cleaning it with compressed air.

what happens if you place the card in a slot with a reduced data rate, with the intentions of choking the card?

The HD Native Core is 4x - so I wouldn't worry too much about choking it I guess.... and the vid card shouldn't be either.
I didn't realize that the slots couldn't be configured on that.... so it rules this out.

As far as slot order, I still can't get a guaranteed answer on slot order for the HDN card.
This is something which hasn't been officially addressed by Avid.
Avid says to use the slot closest to the vid card.... slot 2.
But, I know this is an issue on SOME models.... Known issue in the community.
But, again, I thought the slot 4 scenario started on 4,1's
Have you tried the HDN in Slot 2?
http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/docs/HD_Native_User_Guide_v90_69708.pdf
Pages 13 & 14 describe slot order as Slot 2

I have seen people discuss their card in slot 4 not taking Firmware updates, and moving it to slot 2 corrected the issue.
And I've seen performance issues in slot 2 that are corrected by moving to slot 4.
I wish I had a solid answer as to the reason for this.


Also, have you flashed the HDN Firmware since you got it?
Which version of PT are you running? And which did it ship with?
Versions shipped with 9 had firmware issues with 10 and should be flashed with the update.

As far as Pro Tools goes, did you recently trash prefs and lose your settings?

What do you have CPU Usage set to ????

Avid/Digidesign recommends setting the number of CPU's used to 1 less than the total number of cores.
This makes a HUGE difference

Also, setting it to around 85-90% seems to be my sweet spot.

7 Cores, 85-90% and I'm screamin.

Of course, this whole performance issue seems to be wrapped around this PC version 5870....
so I wouldn't instill too much confidence in the card.
Who knows, maybe PT isn't playing well with the card in a Mac
Avid supports ANY APPLE CARD, but, you don't exactly have an APPLE card in there.

As Mac Vid Cards pointed out, it isn't being seen properly either.

So, the more I think about it, the more I point at your Video Card.

Have any other cards you can test????

Umm... Well... You may be inhibiting some airflow with the Vid Card....

Are your sleds full of drives? If you have one open, you could stick that one at the intake in order to provide a little more flow....

This whole thing just doesnt seem right tho. I'm betting just cause its a PC card

I would maybe look for a cheap vid card, and if you don't need Open CL or anything, or if you don't need tons of GPU power for video or graphics, something fan-less like a 7300 may be a good option for you

(Off topic, but what are you doing with the 2600? I could maybe repair it and use it as a helper if you wanna unload it)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Radoen-...US_Video_Card_GPU_Cooling&hash=item27ba07a5b0
$9.50 + shipping - FAN

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Mac-P...eo_TV_Cards&hash=item2a200ea372#ht_500wt_1413
$5.00 + shipping - PARTS UNIT

Maybe a stupid thing to say, but you have a non Apple 5870? are they 100% the same as a apple branded?

Hi Rdfiorentino,
I have almost an identical system (and HD Native) except with a ATI 5770 video card and i am experiencing the same CPU problems...! I have tried everything except changing the video card... I was suspecting it was this all along because problems get worse with more demanding graphics (e.g.when i open meter bridge on Izotope Ozone 5 plugin).

I am happy to find your post cause i think if i change the card or it's position i might see big improvements.

Can u tell me if you have found out any thing further... Do you know what card i can replace it with.. (i'd still like reasonable graphics but i'd definitely prefer a better running system!).

Weird that not many others (no one!) is experencing this??

Thanks
Tom.

ps. my CPU chokes are less with 4 processes running... if i run more processors (6 or 12 for example..) CPU spikes are worse...!!!
i can not understand this? Same for you?

Maybe the 3D-acceleration is not working correctly?
If the card is not recognized correctly (not flashed) maybe some OpenGL/CL calculations are offloaded to the CPU. Is Quartz extreme supported and enabled in the system profiler? Does dragging around windows result in high CPU usage?

I flashed my Sapphire Vapor-X HD5870 back in 2010 before attempting to boot OS X with it installed, I've never had any CPU restriction problems even with Handbrake running full speed and other processes in the background or foreground. The card runs fine in either slot 1 or 2 on my MP 3,1.
My original HD2600 died years ago but I do have a 8800GT for comparison purposes.

I would try flashing it to see if it helps.
Which brand of card is it? I'll try to find a suitable ROM over on Netkas.org.

Thanks for your replies... after re-reading everything, i realised that although it is the same problem, I'm on a mac pro 5,1 (not a 3,1). Although i'm sure this changes things i'm convinced my problem is still very similar.

I tried opening ProTools and moving /opening more windows... when i do this CPU performance does get worse! More spiking... So i am excited that you might of found the problem...!

Unfortunately i'm not that much of a tech but can change card slots, install firm ware etc..

Should i try changing the video card or HD card to a different slot?

How do i flash the card?
I couldn't find reference to quartz extreme in my system profiler??

Any help would be greatly appreciated...this problem has taken up waaaay too much of my time already... and even my most computer literate friends can not understand. We have tried clean installs, all sorts of upgrades and updates and no fix yet!

Below is some more info on my system. Hope it helps.

Thanks Tom.



Processor 2 x 2.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon

Memory 12 GB 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC

Graphics ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024 MB

Serial Number YM10805VEUH

Software Mac OS X Lion 10.7.4 (11E53)

ProTools 10.3.2

Audio Card: HD Native (slot 2)
Interface: Avid Omni (via Digilink cable)



SATA(audio) Drive:Hitachi HDS723030ALA640:
3TB


ATI Radeon HD 5770:

Chipset Model: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
Slot: Slot-1
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 1024 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x68b8
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-C0160C-155
EFI Driver Version: 01.00.436
Displays:
E2341:
Resolution: 1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Display Serial Number: 102INGQ8Y471
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Rotation: Supported



ATI Radeon HD 5770:

Name: ATY,Hoolock
Type: Display Controller
Driver Installed: Yes
MSI: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-1
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x68b8
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x106b
Subsystem ID: 0x00cf
Revision ID: 0x0000
Link Width: x16
Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s

The Dell version also works in a Mac

Hi All,

I just wanted to share that the Dell PC version of the HD5870 also works in the Mac Pro (I have it in an Early 2009 model, 10.7.5, 2.66GHz quad core). The benefit is that i don't have to buy cable adapters to use non-Mac monitors. Also, you can find them a lot cheaper than the $450 pricetag of the Mac version of the card.

hamx0r said:

Hi All,

I just wanted to share that the Dell PC version of the HD5870 also works in the Mac Pro (I have it in an Early 2009 model, 10.7.5, 2.66GHz quad core). The benefit is that i don't have to buy cable adapters to use non-Mac monitors. Also, you can find them a lot cheaper than the $450 pricetag of the Mac version of the card.

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Thanks for sharing. Does the card support the 2 DVi ports? I mean do the 2 DVi ports work in your Mac Pro?