iToys didn't change the world, except to make a group of people even more annoying.
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iToys didn't change the world, except to make a group of people even more annoying.
This post isn't too far off. Ivy says:
So you guys design a piece of 25 cent plastic, call it a bumper for your iPhone, and then charge $29 for it. Yeah, it sure sounds like it's all about design. You neglect adding a memory card slot to your devices to force users to pay extra for storage. You slap a cover on an iPad that costs $12 to make but charge $49. Apple makes great products, but they are in the business of emptying your pockets.
If your goal isn't making money, then why not lower your profit margins and sell your stuff at a reasonable price?
I don't buy it, the new iPhone design is pretty much complicated and asymmetrical, looks cheap.
According to Steve, half of them are holding it wrong.
Apple has ALWAYS (well, at least since the late 90s) been driven by DESIGN, not by PROFIT - it's clear that Ive was referring to the fact that it's not about designing the cheapest crap at the lowest cost to sell it at high margin...it's about designing the BEST possible device and THEN reap the rewards.
If you can't understand this basic principle, you can't understand why Apple is successful nowadays.
C.O.S. (Crock of Sh....)
If this were truly so - then they would be doing other creative things besides the iPhone and iPad. Fact is - that's where their profit lies and that's where they focus all their energies. It's definitely about profits. Profits AND products. But the products that make money...
And this is why...
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I haven't seen anyone comparing the price of a MacBook Pro to a cheap plastic Dell or HP laptop in this thread. Well apart from you raising the comparison and then moaning about others who do it.
What a few astute observers are pointing out is Apple's margins are approaching close to 50% on many of their most popular products. Apple's margins are the highest in the industry by far. It's something they boast about loudly and proudly in their earnings calls. They also spend a tiny portion of their profits on things like R&D. That's why they have so much cash stashed away in an ever increasing stockpile. There's nothing wrong with any of this. I think it's a wonderful success story to be celebrated.
What some people are pointing out is Apple could definitely price their products a lot more aggressively to take even more marketshare if they wanted. If they really wanted to get their products in the hands of as many people as possible, if they really did want to change the world above making money, they could go far, far lower on retail price. (I don't think they should at all, I'm just saying what they could do in theory!)
But they don't want to do that. They want to keep talking up margin. They want to drive the stock price higher. And they want to fulfil their legal responsibility of maximising shareholder value for investors.
Apple didn't achieve this astonishing profitability by accident. They didn't get here by lacking the desire to make a ton of money. What Ive says is cute, plays nice to their consumer friendly narrative, but it's definitely not the true story.
Apple got here not just by creating great, magical products that consumers want to buy. They got here by hiring some incredibly smart people to deal with manufacturing, supply chain bargaining, cost and the maintenance of meticulous stock controls. The processes Apple has implemented to drive up margin is almost as impressive to me as the products themselves. And they don't generally pass on these savings to us. They use these savings in costs to widen margins and make shareholders very happy.
It's a big lie. We have not seen any big design changes in years. Ive's 2 decade long tenure needs to come to an end if his team cannot come up with anything better than what they have been doing in years past. In fact i alwats felt iPhone 4 and 4s was a devolution from iPhone 3
that what happens when it's a good design, it sticks around for a while.
Ummm.... Given that Google and Apple are now key partners in many open-source and open-standard initiatives started by each other, both investing many engineers to work on these project full time. It would seem a little unfair to just write-off Apple contribution as nothing but profit making, Yet hold Google up as some great Bastian of freedom.
Both are in it for the pure simple reason that for those things the shared investment is more valuable then exclusive one. Google may see more value and has more investment going in but that doesn't make them more noble.
To me a lot of the perceived 'Noblity' of Google is just marketing. Google's initiatives play well in their target demo. Apple involvement with things like LLVM don't.
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Yet you still see 1000's of people walking a round talking on their iPhones, at least half with on case at all.
Any video of this?
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What exactly are you complaining about?
I haven't seen anyone comparing the price of a MacBook Pro to a cheap plastic Dell or HP laptop in this thread. Well apart from you raising the comparison and then moaning about others who do it.
What a few astute observers are pointing out is Apple's margins are approaching close to 50% on many of their most popular products. Apple's margins are the highest in the industry by far. It's something they boast about loudly and proudly in their earnings calls. They also spend a tiny portion of their profits on things like R&D. That's why they have so much cash stashed away in an ever increasing stockpile. There's nothing wrong with any of this. I think it's a wonderful success story to be celebrated.
What some people are pointing out is Apple could definitely price their products a lot more aggressively to take even more marketshare if they wanted. If they really wanted to get their products in the hands of as many people as possible, if they really did want to change the world above making money, they could go far, far lower on retail price. (I don't think they should at all, I'm just saying what they could do in theory!)
But they don't want to do that. They want to keep talking up margin. They want to drive the stock price higher. And they want to fulfil their legal responsibility of maximising shareholder value for investors.
Apple didn't achieve this astonishing profitability by accident. They didn't get here by lacking the desire to make a ton of money. What Ive says is cute, plays nice to their consumer friendly narrative, but it's definitely not the true story.
Apple got here not just by creating great, magical products that consumers want to buy. They got here by hiring some incredibly smart people to deal with manufacturing, supply chain bargaining, cost and the maintenance of meticulous stock controls. The processes Apple has implemented to drive up margin is almost as impressive to me as the products themselves. And they don't generally pass on these savings to us. They use these savings in costs to widen margins and make shareholders very happy.
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Complaining? No. Calling the statement PR drivel. To imply Apple doesn't focus on profits is ridiculous.
If Apple's Focus on Great Products instead of profits, why not assemble iPhone in America instead of chineese sweatshops?
There is actually a proof that Jobs vision almost bankrupted them and they were saved by Microsofts money.
Best argument of the thread.
Ive is a genius--though if you go by the forum comments lately, I think a lot of people assume he doesn't work there anymore after Jobs' death.
I haven't seen anyone comparing the price of a MacBook Pro to a cheap plastic Dell or HP laptop in this thread.