Well i got it and setting it up now. The model of the SSD says SM256E?
Different from my macbookpro 2012 which has the Samsung based 830?
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Different from my macbookpro 2012 which has the Samsung based 830?
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It seems it is the same, which is a good thing. Geekbench is a little over 13000, same as retina with the i7 2.6.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1217623
Speed of the SSD is very, very good.
This is one bad### little computer. Fast too.
It seems it is the same, which is a good thing. Geekbench is a little over 13000, same as retina with the i7 2.6.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1217623
Speed of the SSD is very, very good.
This is one bad### little computer. Fast too.
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I put together a mid Mac mini for $799. That includes the 1td hd. If I add a ssd that adds $300 to the price. But I never got back that say $100 for the hd. So as I see it apple ssd is $400. How is apple not screwing everyone. $400 for a ssd that can be had for under $170. It's like the ram who charges $300 for 16gb of ram? Apple does and they laugh at everyone all the way to the bank. Suckers. You save more adding a ssd yourself .
5400rpm laptop drives can be had for $70 and can be sold second hand for what $25 - $40? I bet Apple pays <$25 for these.... so by the letter of the law you are right, we are out the stock drive and are paying the $300 plus some extra penalty for giving them back the 1TB spinner... A worthwhile deal to some and not worth it for others... that's all...
There is no point trying to convince anyone here Canada01. I've tried.
People believe what they want, even if they are over paying.
Some people want the piece of mind of getting a drive catered towards them directly from Apple, for the extra cost. That is their prerogative.
I built a 1tb raid0 ssd for about 700.
linked the how to build it and how to buy it. don't know if anybody did but myself.
it is very nice to use it. along with my 799 mid mac mini.
I also built a 256gb samsung ssd usb3 booter for 151.
not as fast but dirt cheap. people don't get it.
t-bolt and usb3 mean go aftermarket leave the internal drive alone for all ,but form rules over function people.
BTW I have a stand alone mini with an ssd in a form (no backup hdd) rules setup so there is a place for a form only setup.
My mid mini is function setup with a lot of stuff hanging on.
So hopefully it's a 2.5" SATA Samsung 830, running custom Apple firmware...
I hope not, using a blade style disk is annyoing for upgrades. The same chip in a 2.5" SATA disk would be ok though.
I hope not, using a blade style disk is annyoing for upgrades. The same chip in a 2.5" SATA disk would be ok though.
I just posted my screen shots, and yes it is a Samsung 2.5 based SSD, based on the PM830. No worries.
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Everyone's situation is different. Everyone's needs are not the same. Everyones opinion is different as well. Some people think it is silly to put in your own drive because you are not saving alot of money and there isn't any benefit to them.
Some think it's crazy to get a drive off of apple because it's too expensive.
It's really that simple. I got the OEM upgrade for $260. I don't need or want the 1TB drive. You couldn't give me one. I use all SSD and have too many drives to count. I give them as stocking stuffers.
Nor do I want any hassles. No re-enableing trim after every update etc. Is $60 worth the extra problems associated with adding your own drive when there isn't any benefits other than monatary gains? To me it's not. To you it is.
Let every one do as they wish, there isn't really any right or wrong here. No convincing needed to be done. Just do what your situation dictates.
Thats it.
i'm thinking of buying a mini and putting in a non-oem ssd drive. i already put a samsung 830 in my macbook and used this tool to enable trim:
http://www.groths.org/?page_id=322
after rebooting, the system profile/info now says that trim is enabled. took a total of 1 min, esp since rebooting on a ssd is so fast.
seems like this gives you trim + saves you $100+ (vs getting an apple drive) with no downsides?
http://www.groths.org/?page_id=322
after rebooting, the system profile/info now says that trim is enabled. took a total of 1 min, esp since rebooting on a ssd is so fast.
seems like this gives you trim + saves you $100+ (vs getting an apple drive) with no downsides?
as far as I know you don't need TRIM for the Samsung SSD 830. It has its own garbage collection system. Got a 256 in my old 2008 MBP and is working perfectly without TRIM
I think it is the Crucial SSD's that self cleaned. I think trim is needed on the Sammy's.
Interesting.
So do we know for sure it's the Samsung SSD's or the Crucial SSD's?
Thank you very much,
Gabi.
Hi everyone - interesting read...I am on the fence about installing my own Mushkin Chronos 120GB drive (which is easy enough to do for me) or going with OWC's drives, the Samsung 128GB SSD PM830 for about $120 w/shipping, or going with Apple's own upgrade to 256GB.
My concerns/question is this:
I only see confirmation about Apple's drives having what appears to be a custom firmware. What it does I have no idea and no clue as to who would.
I do not know if my Mushkin SSD, the 3rd party Samsung SSD or if OWC's SSD are capable of getting said firmware or at the very least support TRIM natively on OSX without having to resort to that TRIM kext I saw posted.
While I understand the concept of saving a dollar - without guarantees (which I cannot see getting) on using an aftermarket drive or GeekBench scores using OWC or Samsung SSD drives to compare to the Apple drive (which smokes it seems)
FWIW I am in Winnipeg, MB Canada and I can get the Corsair 16GB RAM kit for $75 before taxes and that part is a no-brainer as far as I am concerned.
The drives (if I decided to buy another range from $100 to $200 depending on whether I want 128GB or 256GB - the 256 being $210 before shipping from NCIX for the Samsung so saving some (lets say the RAM upgrade cost to make the math simple) but I dont know if thats worth it to me for a drive I know little about when it comes to being installed in the new Mini...
I probably am in the same boat as a lot of people here where money really isnt an issue and we can afford the Apple pricing but do not want to pay the "Apple tax" - from an IT guy point of view I really do not want the "hassle" of troubleshooting an aftermarket drive if there is an issue with TRIM or speeds mot matching at least what the Apple drive does which would be my main concern.
So - all that being said, can anyone shed some light or point me to some banchmarks on the aftermarket drives in a Mac Mini? I have located the benchmarks on the drives themselves but thats not a true representation of the drive in the Mini IMO.
Thanks for reading...
My concerns/question is this:
I only see confirmation about Apple's drives having what appears to be a custom firmware. What it does I have no idea and no clue as to who would.
I do not know if my Mushkin SSD, the 3rd party Samsung SSD or if OWC's SSD are capable of getting said firmware or at the very least support TRIM natively on OSX without having to resort to that TRIM kext I saw posted.
While I understand the concept of saving a dollar - without guarantees (which I cannot see getting) on using an aftermarket drive or GeekBench scores using OWC or Samsung SSD drives to compare to the Apple drive (which smokes it seems)
FWIW I am in Winnipeg, MB Canada and I can get the Corsair 16GB RAM kit for $75 before taxes and that part is a no-brainer as far as I am concerned.
The drives (if I decided to buy another range from $100 to $200 depending on whether I want 128GB or 256GB - the 256 being $210 before shipping from NCIX for the Samsung so saving some (lets say the RAM upgrade cost to make the math simple) but I dont know if thats worth it to me for a drive I know little about when it comes to being installed in the new Mini...
I probably am in the same boat as a lot of people here where money really isnt an issue and we can afford the Apple pricing but do not want to pay the "Apple tax" - from an IT guy point of view I really do not want the "hassle" of troubleshooting an aftermarket drive if there is an issue with TRIM or speeds mot matching at least what the Apple drive does which would be my main concern.
So - all that being said, can anyone shed some light or point me to some banchmarks on the aftermarket drives in a Mac Mini? I have located the benchmarks on the drives themselves but thats not a true representation of the drive in the Mini IMO.
Thanks for reading...
If you buy a decent, new SSD I seriously doubt that you will have any problems whatsoever (beyond normal bad hardware issues that can happen with ANY hardware and warranty issues). Tens of Thousands of people have added after market SSDs for years. On forums I see a lot of people wondering *IF* they will have problems with after market SSDs. I don't recall seeing anyone complain that they actually *DID* have problems, except for warranty problems if they needed to go back to Apple for unrelated issues.
As far a TRIM goes, as far as I can tell, people are suck in the past. Enabling TRIM is no longer a requirement. Many newer drives handle the cleanup without TRIM via their own garbage collection process. If I'm wrong on this some PLEASE correct me.
As far as benchmarks go, there are lots of sites that you can check, such as http://www.anandtech.com/tag/storage. One thing that I would point out though, people often put far too much value on write performance. I would point out 2 things: First, in normal settings, the majority of your IO is going to be read, not write. Second, write times for some drives are using compression. If you turn on file vault, none of you data is compressible and your write speed might be half of what you think that it is.
If you want to add an aftermarket drive then you will probably be fine, your only real risk is the one that comes from opening the case and swapping out parts.... Not the SSD itself.
This is all my opinion of course, and opinions are like *******s and elbows, everybody has at least one.
Who told you the warranty should void in case of DIY upgrade? I bought 3 different Macs since 2007, shipped 'em overseas (Russia), all been DIY-upgraded, replacing either RAM / HDD or both, never ran into warranty void troubles (needed some repairs regarding two machines, never been rejected by local Apple service providers).
By the way, the TRIM technology haven't been invented by Apple, no problems enable it on the MAC in case of it won't recognize your SSD as some supported one.
Depends on tools you get. Eg., the second mini HDD kit costs ~$45 with shipping, including all the tools needed for such an installation. Shure you must have right angled hands, though
)) Every time i did DIY upgrades, i bought RAM / HDD almost half the price of BTO options, both better than BTO installed ones (7200RPM WD Caviar Black HDD / Seagate Momentus XT hybrid HDD end some SSDs, Corsair Vengeance RAM end etc.). Moreover, sold or used in other machines (non MACs) freed parts.
Three things to remember about SSDs.
Over-provisioning is to ensure wear-leveling and reduce write-amplification. Most consumer level SSDs are 7% over-provisioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_amplification#Over-provisioning
TRIM is a MUST HAVE on every SSD. The TRIM command is how the OS tells the SSD 'i'm done with that, you can throw it away'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM
Garbage Collection is a SSD firmware level routine that resets erased cells to a ready state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_collection_(SSD)#Garbage_collection
For me the savings was 100 dollars. Samsung 830 ssd ($100 amazon sale) + OWC cable kit ($45) = $145 vs Apple charging $250. The sweat equity part was fun and I learned how to take the mac mini apart and put it back together again. To anyone who is a little handy do the fusion part yourself. You can chose a larger or faster sad for the same price (or less) than apple ($250) will charge you. Plus you get the satisfaction of doing it yourself.
TRIM is NOT a must have. It depends on your SSD, if it has built in garbage collection and possibly other factors.
Quoting Wikipedia can be risky.
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I should mention that I actually got my information by calling Crucial technical support (800-336-8915). I was told by Crucial that the 512 GB M4 has garbage collection enabled when installed on Mac OS X. The difference between TRIM and garbage collection is that TRIM can activate any time, garbage collection activates when the drive is idle. So I guess if you have 50 GB free on a m4 and you write 50 GB, immediately delete the 50 GB and immediately write another 50 GB then you might want TRIM. So for reasonable use, TRIM is not needed with the m4 under Mac OS X. That is from Crucial Tech support.
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