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Scott Forstall Deserved to be Ousted from Apple Says Former Apple Exec
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That has nothing to do with the fact that Apple doesn't allow you to take control of your media and other files on ipods, iphones and ipads.
When you're at that level, there are employment contracts that have to be met.
tl;dr -- Contractual Obligations.
Didn't he leave Apple because iPhone overtook iPod as the favored product and he didn't really have much to do with the iPhone (and I'm guessing probably iPod touch too)?Clearly, Fadell could have said much more about Forstall and their working relationship (or lack thereof) in this interview. But a polite "I'm not going to comment on that" would have gotten the message across in a much classier way.
I wonder if Fadell is interested in returning to Apple at some point, now that Forstall is gone. Or maybe he just wants to supply Nest thermostats for the upcoming spaceship Apple building.
Not arguing that apple isn't a cleaner interface but iOS hasn't changed for the better.
Android has.
Apple will catch up and add an i
Btw google voice works better than Siri .
That's an embarrassment
Put your pitchforks and torches away
Don't really care if he was an arsehole and pissed colleagues off. Jobs did this as well. Forstall gave us Leopard and from there, Snow Leopard. Now we have that crap they call 10.8.
Long live the arseholes of Apple.
Don't really care if he was an arsehole and pissed colleagues off. Jobs did this as well. Forstall gave us Leopard and from there, Snow Leopard. Now we have that crap they call 10.8.
Long live the arseholes of Apple.
We only really properly saw how Forstall acted and how he was on the keynotes - nobody on here especially, followed him round the Apple campus everyday so we dont know what went behind closed doors
But anyways apart from Maps (which I saw the guy who overlooked that app got fired other day didnt he anyways?) I like iOS6 - and thats all the matters to me - its a nice relation to OSX and looking forward to future things
But anyways apart from Maps (which I saw the guy who overlooked that app got fired other day didnt he anyways?) I like iOS6 - and thats all the matters to me - its a nice relation to OSX and looking forward to future things
That's not completely true. We have at least one of Forstall's former colleagues posting here at Macrumors and he had good things to say about Forstall although that dates back to the late 90s.
Not that I think Forstall was an easy guy to work with but I think quoting Tony Fadell on the matter doesn't really isn't fair on Forstall much given the history between the two. Then again the history is written by winners and we probably won't get the story from Forstall's side for a long time.
I have to say I am not a fan of Skeuomorphoric when it is over used.
less is more in this case.
Seriously.... "Apple will catch up and add an i" - That's the embarrassment - Rolls eyes.
And Google voice doesn't work for me at all on the Nexus. But then again I have a neutral British english accent... Siri works most of the time - but definitely depends on the environment.
But while you say google has changed for the better... I say Jelly Bean 4.1 is the first usable version of Android at all. The scrolling before was shocking and even now is nowhere as good iOS - and the tablet support with apps is still rubbish - expanded mobiles apps for the most part... but this is mainly as Dev's couldn't make any money on the play store because it was so easy to pirate. Finally they have app signing now.
The best feature on droid is Google Now... but at the moment its not on most Droid phones. and they introduced it on the wifi only nexus !?!
But do agree that Apple don't seem to listen to what people really want.
Widgets!!! Stuff on the Lock screen! Since ios2 people forums are full of requests.
So now that Scott is out of the picture for the time being. I wonder if Tony will be brought back into the fold. Bob decided to un-retire after Scott left.
Um.. no. Arrogance is exactly the reason to dislike someone.. Why would you like someone like that.
for example I've met Simon Cowell and guess what he is a complete arse.
Kayne West too. Tosser.
Reminds me of when Steve Jobs was kicked out of Apple then came back....hhhhmmmm maybe he will be apples savior in the future
Not at all the same. But nice try.
I never compared Steve Jobs with Forstall I just compared the same situation of them being forced out of apple. Steve Jobs was 1 in a million. May he rest in peace.
Not sure about #2.
Cause there have been a bunch of "nice" people in the tech world.
1. Bill Gates
2. Steve Jobs
3. Larry Ellison
4. Senior Leadership at ATT, Verizon, BellSouth, Comcast... (ie the American Telcom and Cable industries)
5. Carly Fiorino
6. Thomas Edison
7. Google leadership (if you aren't drinking the Don't Be Evil kool-aid)
8. HP management. For some reason it makes perfect sense to have a multimillion dollar American account call the customer service line to the call center in Guatemala, where the staff can barely speak Spanish (fugedabout American), to placed on hold for 3 hours while "Ma-hew" goes to find the one person in the village who can say "I send somebody."
9. Fill in the Blank
Somehow these people keep their jobs or move on to other good jobs. All by being garbage. Dang, I need to move to their level.
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Because he set himself up for it. iOS 6 was a disaster full of serious bugs that bricked vital parts of many phones and cost a noticeable amount of users tons on overages they shouldn't have had not to mention out of warranty hardware replacements (and the company thousands on in warranty replacements). As SVP, Forstall's main job is preventing such poor QC from happening particularly before bothering with cutesy crap that has no utility like shifting shadows on slider knobs.
No matter what Forstall did in the past this was a huge fail and when you combine it with the personality conflicts that is a no go
It has everything to do with what you view as Apple keeping something away from you. It has to do with offering a seamless, well meshed system for synching and managing your music (now media) files without having to "geek out." It also has to do with the fact that Apple got the buy-in from the music industry only because they (Jobs specifically) were able to show the dolts at the RIAA that the only way to save themselves from piracy was to allow users reasonable ways to use music digitally. Then Apple, after gaining dominance in the industry forced the music labels to loosen up DRM.
None of these things would have happened had the iTunes/iPod experience not been such an easy to use system that offered reasonable protections against piracy. Do you know how many people I dealt with in the early days who spent their days trying to figure out how to get their music uploaded to others' computers? That's piracy, and allowing that would have made the music industry walk away from the table.
Considering that its Sir Jony at the helm, yeah he likely can. Remember that Steve respected Sir Js skills enough to put him in a highly protected status with near total control over design decisions. Something Steve didn't give his BFF Scott. That to me is telling.
I'm not saying Android is any bad or worse than Apple as it is now...
But, you got to remember Android could only have gotten better considering how bad it was at the beginning.
On the other hand iOS pretty much nailed it from the start.
So, obviously Android would look like it is making bigger improvements than iOS.
