The point was that Intel has experience in fabbing for ARM designs, having made ARM cpus back in the days.
Got it. Thanks Man.
The point was that Intel has experience in fabbing for ARM designs, having made ARM cpus back in the days.
Ipad 7 now with intel HD graphics. :::uke-::::
Why the hell would an iPad EVER run x86?
Steve Jobs would laugh at the idea.
Actually no. The RT devices are meant to compete against the more classic Windows usages. There are and will be no RT phones or 5" devices. 7" devices are pretty unlikely also. Those will be covered by Windows Phone which is an OS competitor to iOS.
RT should sweep up the remnants of the netbook devices with a much better form factor and cost basis. Initially they are priced too high to do the 2nd and 3rd iterations will likely do it for the most part. The sub $300-350 market is likely largely lost to "phones and smaller" devices.
So instead of dumping that netbook for an iPad you dump it for Windows RT. The Surface + keyboard is far closer to being a netbook than an iPad once the pricing gets lowered.
Large and mid companies don't move to anything. The organizational inertia typically makes them slow, risk adverse adopters of almost everything (except high bonus checks for executives) . So the specifics of RT and Windows 8 are immaterial.
Intel being purely just a foundry for someone isn't likely going to happen. That would be an indicator of Intel selling away the crown jewels. Intel is not a "job shop" and there is no way they are going to make margins like they currently do being one.
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It is likely not in exchange but a courtship dance both sides are doing. We "could do" ARM stuff, but in the end it is really about exploring ways to keep the x86 contracts alive and growing.
Bootcamp option? Windows 8 on the iPad?
You show me an iPad with the ability to run iOS apps and Windows 8 apps, and I'll show you the end of every other tablet currently in production.
So where does that leave Window 8 tablet adoptions. Not consumers. Not businesses. Who's left?
These ARM discussions are always great at showing who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.
Do you honestly think Intel couldn't whip up a processor as low powered and cool as an ARM processor? It's like saying Bugatti couldn't build a scooter, because they're only good at making big engines for cars.
The only reason they've never done it before is because they've never had to. ARM is a decent processor, great for what they're used for, and I applaud the fact they're finally kicking Intel around enough in the mobile sector that they've finally decided to start focusing on efficiency rather than yet more speed enhancements.
...but ARM chips aren't that much better. As has been pointed out here by people who know even more than me, an ARM chip running as quick as an Intel chip would consume just as much power. There's no real advantage between the two. Once ARM finds a way to eek as much power out of their chips with as low a power usage and heat dissipation as possible, and Intel works in reverse, finding ways to make their fast chips more energy efficient, there will be no real reason to prefer one over the other on a pure spec basis.
It's around that's when things will start getting really interesting.
I don't think Apple is dissatisfied with ARM. The A6 is very solid and gives Apple a competitive edge.
Why the hell would an iPad EVER run x86?
Steve Jobs would laugh at the idea.
. You may think it doesn't compete with the iPad or Android tablets but it is. There aren't too many netbook owners around. Again RT is selling poorly out of the gate.
Configurable TDP allows you to drop an Ivy Bridge ULV processor to 14W or even higher past 17W if proper cooling is provided.Actually, current Ivy Bridge chips don't come below 17W, with clocks ranging from 1.7 to 2.0GHz, so that should be the magic frontier of them.
Nvidia have predicted ARM super computers are the future of performance computer, with Intel only a player because it's the CPU of Windows.
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-...-says-ARM-supercomputer-to-be-more-efficient-
Nvidia, though, don't know what they're talking about.
3 years - Intel will be frequently referred to as being 'in trouble' and ARM will be in everything from our Macs to workstations and servers. Watch this space.
These ARM discussions are always great at showing who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.
Do you honestly think Intel couldn't whip up a processor as low powered and cool as an ARM processor? It's like saying Bugatti couldn't build a scooter, because they're only good at making big engines for cars.
The only reason they've never done it before is because they've never had to. ARM is a decent processor, great for what they're used for, and I applaud the fact they're finally kicking Intel around enough in the mobile sector that they've finally decided to start focusing on efficiency rather than yet more speed enhancements.
...but ARM chips aren't that much better. As has been pointed out here by people who know even more than me, an ARM chip running as quick as an Intel chip would consume just as much power. There's no real advantage between the two. Once ARM finds a way to eek as much power out of their chips with as low a power usage and heat dissipation as possible, and Intel works in reverse, finding ways to make their fast chips more energy efficient, there will be no real reason to prefer one over the other on a pure spec basis.
It's around that's when things will start getting really interesting.
what's the point? the main power wasting part is the display, the processor takes up like just 10% of the whole device's power usage anyway.
Nvidia have predicted ARM super computers are the future of performance computer, with Intel only a player because it's the CPU of Windows.
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And Bugatti make a better scooter than Piaggio? I don't think so.
3 years - Intel will be frequently referred to as being 'in trouble' and ARM will be in everything from our Macs to workstations and servers. Watch this space.
3 years - Intel will be frequently referred to as being 'in trouble' and ARM will be in everything from our Macs to workstations and servers. Watch this space.
The ARM processor does yea, not the Intel one.
Actually, current Ivy Bridge chips don't come below 17W, with clocks ranging from 1.7 to 2.0GHz, so that should be the magic frontier of them. I don't remeber the IPC on those things, but clocking a CISC chip lower than a RISC chip while maintaining the same performance should be hard to do. It didn't work when they competed with the PowerPC architecture, and I doubt that it would work now. The problem with CISC designs is that they're just not as efficient compared to RISC, all things equal.
Perhaps you can explain to me how it is that Intel has never been successful at launching a new general CPU instruction set architecture, besides x86. It isn't for want of trying, but despite all their efforts, they've failed..
Also, if Intel can produce a competitive, low-power x86 CPU, if only they were to try, please explain what Medfield represents, if not a try to make a low-power x86 CPU? And then you can explain why it has so few meaningful design wins.
Intel isn't dead, but its viability in the mobile market, and its dominant position in desktops, laptops and servers is by no means a certainty.
Why the hell would an iPad EVER run x86?
Steve Jobs would laugh at the idea.
RT is selling no more poorly than the iPhone did. Gaged against the classic PC market size, yeah it is much smaller. But it is on track to do multi-million units.
It isn't that they don't interact competitively with the iPad and Android tablets. But it is more so stopping the bleed to those devices than trying to displace them.
But as Tablets get commoditized the iPad is going to be just as much an outlier to the market as the high end iMac and Mac Pro is to the general PC market.
Anandtech said:Early next year we'll see limited availability of 10W Ivy Bridge ULV parts. These parts will be deployed in some very specific products, likely in the convertible Ultrabook space, and they won't be widely available. Any customer looking to get a jump start on Haswell might work with Intel to adopt one of these.
Dead people don't dictate terms to the living.