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Apple 'Hard at Work' on Next Version of Logic Pro
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Logic has native support for TouchOSC iPad controller and it works great! No need to do any setups or anything it just works!
Been using Logic since L8. An update is sorely needed. I started with Pro Tools, tried Logic and never looked back. I also tried Reaper, great functionality and very customizable, but is not as intuitive as Logic. Using L9 on mid-2012 non-retina MBP on Lion. It had issues when I first installed it and it had trouble recognizing Duet 1 firewire. To fix this issue whenever I start up, I hold down the power button until the indicator lights flash. Did the trick. Not sure if this is a problem due to Lion. L9 was fantastic on Snow Leopard. I won't upgrade to ML until the newest version of Logic as I've heard many cases where compatibility issues arose.
And when did Waves say they'd have their product fixed when you reported this issue to them?
Please stop destroying the esoteric aspects of this thread with facts. Thanks.
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Interesting way of wording the reply to the original email, basically he was saying the Logic team are still in place at the moment, but who bets that this is the last pro version? I would bet a lot of money this is the last one and it will be dumbed down dramatically. Logic ProX anyone?
Interesting way of wording the reply to the original email, basically he was saying the Logic team are still in place at the moment, but who bets that this is the last pro version? I would bet a lot of money this is the last one and it will be dumbed down dramatically. Logic ProX anyone?
Kids aren't growing up with Logic or Tools anymore, they're using Live and controllers. If 
has any connection to the current music production market they will fully exploit the pitching / flexing / variable time stretching tools they introduced in L9. They need an Ableton Live' killer just like Logic 7 was the start of the 'Pro Tools' killer.
Please don't be too GarageBand and please don't be to acoustic / American oriented.
has any connection to the current music production market they will fully exploit the pitching / flexing / variable time stretching tools they introduced in L9. They need an Ableton Live' killer just like Logic 7 was the start of the 'Pro Tools' killer. Please don't be too GarageBand and please don't be to acoustic / American oriented.
Apple has the most inane marketing scheme. I have no idea what their criteria are for putting software on the Mac
App Store vs the web (http://store.apple.com).
Here is what I find at the U.S. web store:
QuickTime MPEG-2 Playback Component for Windows $19.99
QuickTime MPEG-2 Playback Component for Mac OS X $19.99
QuickTime 7 Pro for Windows $29.99
QuickTime 7 Pro for Mac OS X $29.99
Logic Studio $499.00
This means a range of $20-500.
At the Mac App Store, I see...
Logic Pro $199.99
Final Cut Pro $299.99
as well as plenty of apps that sell for $0.99 or are free.
Now I just wish the general public could easily understand this differentiation. Why should they have to look at two different places to buy Apple's software? I know how it is differentiated (web store only has software that will run in OS 10.6.5 or earlier), but the general public hasn't a clue, and that makes it a marketing snafu.
App Store vs the web (http://store.apple.com).
Here is what I find at the U.S. web store:
QuickTime MPEG-2 Playback Component for Windows $19.99
QuickTime MPEG-2 Playback Component for Mac OS X $19.99
QuickTime 7 Pro for Windows $29.99
QuickTime 7 Pro for Mac OS X $29.99
Logic Studio $499.00
This means a range of $20-500.
At the Mac App Store, I see...
Logic Pro $199.99
Final Cut Pro $299.99
as well as plenty of apps that sell for $0.99 or are free.
Now I just wish the general public could easily understand this differentiation. Why should they have to look at two different places to buy Apple's software? I know how it is differentiated (web store only has software that will run in OS 10.6.5 or earlier), but the general public hasn't a clue, and that makes it a marketing snafu.
Only through repeated misuse.
Fowler (author of the King's English) reluctantly states that while it would be acceptable to use 'decimate' in the sense of the majority of a town being wiped out by the plague, he berates the latitude taken with this expression when applied to the virtual extermination of the British rabbit population by myxomatosis.
So you can image his dislike of "Hotly pursued by a scalp-hunter, Dick turned in his saddle, fired and literally decimated his opponent."
In the main I prefer to use Apple pro software but in all honesty I have zero confidence in their desire to stay in that market. They can't even be bothered to update their consumer software iLife and iWork so I don't hold out much hope for the future of their Pro software. Everyone I know is slowly migrating away from Apple software.
The best thing would be for Apple to spin off their software business into a separate company or merge it will Filemaker and give it the autonomy to put in the resources needed.
The best thing would be for Apple to spin off their software business into a separate company or merge it will Filemaker and give it the autonomy to put in the resources needed.
I would hope that the next version doesn't come out looking and acting like FCPX. For what it's worth it's a decent NLE, but a professional Avid/Adobe competitor it is not.
Anything on top of what they've already done would be an improvement.
Agreed!
I was more thinking of a multitouch mixing console. It would definitely be a better experience than mouse clicking individual faders or drawing automation.
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I've been using Lemur with MAX but i've not looked at TouchOSC yet. I'll have a peep thanks=]
I said one of, not sole. And it IS a worthwhile thing to consider. Google "Are More Productive Workers Hurting U.S. Jobs" if you're inclined to put aside the condescending tone for a moment...
Apple has a feedback page.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/
Pragmatically I suspect most of the traffic routed to execss ("Help steve ..... blah blah blah) get re-funneled back into the system that distributes these.
By several reports Apple product manager are required to read content from the feedback system on a regular basis.
What Apple doesn't want to hear is "backseat drivers" and "monday morning quarterbacks" . That's really not feedback.
It is you that is not specific. As noted in the update to this thread this isn't about developers it is about sales support people. (emphasis mine below):
"... his original report said nothing about Apple's development work on Logic and addressed only the specialist team that assists professional users with using the software tools. ... "
It is a sales support job. Labeling it "pro applications" is not specific.
It was a sales support job. There are probably zero folks working on sales support for the iPad apps. So there is no "advantage" the iPad apps have here.
The folks who make the apps are still in place. That's highly accurate because even the original report was not even talking about the dev team.
LOL. No one is going to generally tell folks that for any substantive software project.
A simple question of whether they are working on a follow up to Logic 9 on OS X is a sufficient question without getting into the weeds of trying to scope out their low level, weekly tactical development plan.
ROTFLMAO. First, you are eyeball deep in their weekly development plan and now looking for super high precision on release.... How about when it is ready? And nevermind Apple's corporate policy is not to talk about future release dates and products.
When the bug count is sufficiently low enough and there are no "show stopper" bugs then they will figure out a release date. Maybe they are at the end of the tunnel and maybe not. Throwing a hissy fit and demanding some date isn't going to create a viable one.
P.S. It is not really surprising Apple is letting good of the "high touch, Cadillac" sales support folks. For $2,000-8,000/seat software that makes sense. For $199 software it really doesn't. If folks like it and find it useful they'll buy it. If buying 4-5 seats and it was going to be a double digit thousand dollar purchase then the sales process gets long and protracted. The prices now are no where near where the purchasing decision is "high drama".
Between the feedback mechanism Apple already has ( apple.com/feedback , support forums , trainers/edu offerings by 3rd parties , long time customers , etc. ) it isn't like they aren't going to hear from customers.
The same thing happened on the FCP side. The "in house" professionals were let go. Pragmatically since these folks just serve as liasons they really aren't in the business. Over time they effectively become a "in house" focus group. Apple really doesn't do focus groups. Nor with 10's of thousand customers for the software, are really lacking for customer feedback or identifiable significant candidates to pro-actively talk to.
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Maybe its best if Apple writes an open letter.
Then again.... every letter they wrote was more marketing and not so much the truth.
Then again.... every letter they wrote was more marketing and not so much the truth.
Personally I have worked with TouchOSC but since iPad 3 it's broken, it has too much lag between command and action. Strangely enough on iPad 1 it works better. Also inconsistencies with some buttons not working in certain circumstances (fast forward, rewind).
The best alternative for me is to use a MacBook Air with SSD (quiet) and then connect to MacPro through screen sharing.
I'm actually glad Logic Pro X is taking so long
The problem has been, if you're a Logic Pro user and a Final Cut Pro 7 user presumably you'd expect the two to integrate like peanut butter & jelly.
That was never the case. It was obvious that the lineage between the two was vastly different. Logic Pro wasn't always the ideal audio DAW for a Final Cut Pro station.
What I suspect we'll see is what Apple has done with Final Cut Pro X and Motion. Both share the same graphics pipeline finally bringing the type of integration that people expect from application that come from the same company.
I suspect that the LPX UI won't change drastically but smaller buttons will give way towards more "touchable" targets. I should be able to edit multiple tracks of audio in FCPX and then fire up LPX for more extensive work. I will never have to do an import/export dance. FCPX will know and apply all of my edits.
Yes Apple has taken a long time with their software and I understand this because when you have a new OS every 18 months you've got to let the OS gain some penetration before you start delivering applications with support for the newest frameworks and API. Next year we'll see some stuff that leverages Mountain Lion and if you look closely you'll find some things that hint towards 10.9 and beyond.
The problem has been, if you're a Logic Pro user and a Final Cut Pro 7 user presumably you'd expect the two to integrate like peanut butter & jelly.
That was never the case. It was obvious that the lineage between the two was vastly different. Logic Pro wasn't always the ideal audio DAW for a Final Cut Pro station.
What I suspect we'll see is what Apple has done with Final Cut Pro X and Motion. Both share the same graphics pipeline finally bringing the type of integration that people expect from application that come from the same company.
I suspect that the LPX UI won't change drastically but smaller buttons will give way towards more "touchable" targets. I should be able to edit multiple tracks of audio in FCPX and then fire up LPX for more extensive work. I will never have to do an import/export dance. FCPX will know and apply all of my edits.
Yes Apple has taken a long time with their software and I understand this because when you have a new OS every 18 months you've got to let the OS gain some penetration before you start delivering applications with support for the newest frameworks and API. Next year we'll see some stuff that leverages Mountain Lion and if you look closely you'll find some things that hint towards 10.9 and beyond.
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I agree with this generally. I'd love to be able to say I've finished my first album with Logic... time has been far too lacking... but, upon picking up Logic Pro last year, the interface itself took me about 2 days to get a hang of. For a pro application, that's quite a feat. The things I've been struggling with have nothing to do with Logic itself... my knowledge of audio engineering and mixing in general is the bottle-neck. And my technical ability with my instruments
I'd like to see a new version of Logic for sure. There are definitely things that could be improved and cleaned up. Performance, while good, could always be optimized. Some parts of the interface feel a bit clunky to me (wave editing, flex time... anything that requires a decent amount of zooming in on a waveform). The ability to easily group tracks would also be very nice. But, as far as I'm concerned, Apple can take its time to get it right. What I have now in Logic Pro 9 already works wonderfully.
Hmm, there is a "Compare" button which goes back to the previous setting. Working over 18 yrs with Logic, it never bothered me in any way.
Logic Pro already a re-write in itself, IIRC it was model used to structure the transition to FCPX.
Regardless, I'd rather see Apple release an update to address the UI lag that is still wrecking my ability to do anything at speed, the 9.1.8 update that was supposed to fix it did nothing.
What companies actually do that? NewTek had a massive disaster in their attempt at doing that. That's the only one I can think of actually offering a "roadmap." No one else does that I'm aware of. Secrecy is the norm. Why do you think it's otherwise?