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Apple's Initial Investment in U.S. Mac Production Estimated to Create 200 Jobs
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Yah, and I wonder how many are on social assistance? I run my own business, but because I'm no good at running a business, I'm broke week after week after week, with an empty bank account. It's stressful, but at least I don't sit around collecting a "paycheque" every month. Is this an inappropriate comment? Probably, but the number of complainers on here about the "only 200 jobs?" is astounding.
200 jobs may not be much, but jobs create other jobs, which create other jobs and so on. So kudos to Apple for paying attention to what customers want to see and doing *something* about it. Baby steps.
I was using your post as more of a springboard for the point I was trying to make, sorry if I made it look like I was responding directly to you.
I don't understand this. Apple is a private company. One of their biggest obligation is to make $ for their shareholders. They are not a charity. The US job market and economy is the responsibility of the gov't and the US citizens.
If any of you have studied 1st year college economics, i vaguely recall there's something called comparative advantage. Maximizing the comparative advantage of countries maximizes global productivity. It's basically good for humanity in general. Protectionism is simply bad for global economics and global output. Let low wage crap job stay in countries that wanna do them for next to nothing. Bring up the US education system to be something more practical, (instead of all most graduates with a next to useless arts degree). A hands-on hard slaving manufacturing job just doesn't work in the US.
In the face for the greater good and the human progress, can we all just drop all notion of race and country borders? Instead of using shame and blame, let free market economy do it's work.
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Not to mention, at least Apple is a US company. For those Android fan boy criticizing Apple, where do most of the profit even end up for all those Galaxy S3 and Note 2? If it isn't for Apple, it was all Nokia, LG, Samsung, Sony and Ericsson, etc. Not a dime of mobile $ was even going to the US. From a selfish US perspective, Apple is the saviour, not the crook. Apple probably pays more US taxes than a lot of other US companies' entire market cap.
If any of you have studied 1st year college economics, i vaguely recall there's something called comparative advantage. Maximizing the comparative advantage of countries maximizes global productivity. It's basically good for humanity in general. Protectionism is simply bad for global economics and global output. Let low wage crap job stay in countries that wanna do them for next to nothing. Bring up the US education system to be something more practical, (instead of all most graduates with a next to useless arts degree). A hands-on hard slaving manufacturing job just doesn't work in the US.
In the face for the greater good and the human progress, can we all just drop all notion of race and country borders? Instead of using shame and blame, let free market economy do it's work.
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Not to mention, at least Apple is a US company. For those Android fan boy criticizing Apple, where do most of the profit even end up for all those Galaxy S3 and Note 2? If it isn't for Apple, it was all Nokia, LG, Samsung, Sony and Ericsson, etc. Not a dime of mobile $ was even going to the US. From a selfish US perspective, Apple is the saviour, not the crook. Apple probably pays more US taxes than a lot of other US companies' entire market cap.
Poor unemployed people in China disagree with you. Anyway, this is the very definition of "token".
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I think the only way anyone could be a jackass here is to make negative, broad statements about other people on this forum.
Big Deal, NOT
Apple has more janitors than that in China.
This is nothing more than a cheap PR ploy by Apple.
GE did the same thing. Move 10,000 jobs to China, then "move" a few hundred low level screw turning jobs back and sell it to the press.
All more BS for the sheeple to eat at the trough.
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So say the sheeple.
You have been sold a big lie and bought it hook, line, pole, and boat.
Apple has more janitors than that in China.
This is nothing more than a cheap PR ploy by Apple.
GE did the same thing. Move 10,000 jobs to China, then "move" a few hundred low level screw turning jobs back and sell it to the press.
All more BS for the sheeple to eat at the trough.
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So say the sheeple.
You have been sold a big lie and bought it hook, line, pole, and boat.
I'm hopeful it is a factory of Robots, like Steve Jobs originally wanted for the Mac and build for the NeXT.
Things have improved dramatically in the past 20 years. Imagine what $100M could do towards improving robotic assembly.
There will never be major manufacturing back in the USA. Steve Jobs was right-- those jobs are gone for good.
So long as we have people like Obama, and even George Bush (who failed to roll back any significant amount of regulation or socialism when he was in office) the USA will simply not be competitive.
Hell, Obama is running around talking about lots of "jobs" created *in government*. Every government job is detrimental to the economy because the money to pay that worker has to come out of the legitimate economy.
Figure, every $10,000 in salary and overhead for a government worker eliminates one job in the private economy.
But most americans are not taught economics in school, or even critical thinking, so they swallow the funny money economics of the political class hook line and sinker.
Just try getting one to admit that regulations and government forcing unions on people have destroyed the manufacturing sector-- but they're out of work so they still cry about jobs going overseas.
Never will occur to them that one causes the other!
Things have improved dramatically in the past 20 years. Imagine what $100M could do towards improving robotic assembly.
There will never be major manufacturing back in the USA. Steve Jobs was right-- those jobs are gone for good.
So long as we have people like Obama, and even George Bush (who failed to roll back any significant amount of regulation or socialism when he was in office) the USA will simply not be competitive.
Hell, Obama is running around talking about lots of "jobs" created *in government*. Every government job is detrimental to the economy because the money to pay that worker has to come out of the legitimate economy.
Figure, every $10,000 in salary and overhead for a government worker eliminates one job in the private economy.
But most americans are not taught economics in school, or even critical thinking, so they swallow the funny money economics of the political class hook line and sinker.
Just try getting one to admit that regulations and government forcing unions on people have destroyed the manufacturing sector-- but they're out of work so they still cry about jobs going overseas.
Never will occur to them that one causes the other!
Apple will be creating 200 more jobs than virtually all the people posting on this and any other site that Apple is creating "only 200" jobs in the US.
They already have created a lot of jobs in the US before this began, this is 200 more jobs and that is not the end, there will be even more.
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They already have created a lot of jobs in the US before this began, this is 200 more jobs and that is not the end, there will be even more.
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You think that, but you would be wrong. There are plenty of ways to do it...
200 jobs isn't really a lot, but Apple is setting a good example that other companies can follow. I remain hopeful for a positive ripple effect to bringing more and more manufacturing jobs to the US.
Apple can easily calculate all costs beforehand. They can't calculate how the public will respond to US hiring.
Apple's purpose is not creating jobs. It's creating the best computers possible and selling them for the highest profit it can. More employees are not directly related to either of those two goals - they could result in higher quality, but they certainly result in higher costs as well.
And if you took that homemade kitchen economics talk just one step further you would realize, that it really makes more sense to have a small amount of highly highly qualified workers to hand-build your standard BTO-everything major desktop with very varying configurations.
I personally think there are very little "stock" MacPros sold, as nearly every pro machine sports a different layout of modifications. Remember, that's what the flagship model is for.
And this effectively leads to a point where a highly specialized configured MacPro can be assembled and delivered within 24hrs in the US. Not too shabby for the so called Pro-workstation that is your flagship model and not that standard RAM- and Drive-BTO consumer machine (which sells in the thousands in every thinkable configuration).
Actually OTOH I think you should really do some research on basic income. May help your human side of the brain to stay in touch with your logical side of the brain.
No, in fact it's worse.
Cook say "we got to do this" and the "do this" is a whopping 200 jobs. He doesn't give a rats ass about us, thats not his job. HIS reason for being is not changing the world, and his shtick doesn't include even a hint of altruism. It's bottom line this, bottom line that. No decision he makes doesa damn bit of good except for him and the shareholders. Everyone goes home with a happy-touchy-feely feeling when it just delays the inevitable. And the inevitable I shudder to imagine.
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Pbbbt. As long as there are no penalties for using the buck-a-day laborers to make our ******, Nobody will bother. Change tariff law like Brazil did, then come and chat.
I think you're taking the blame off regular Americans here, the kind that feel they are too good to work in a factory.
So from now on apple products are gonna have this on the back:
Designed by Apple in California
Partially manufactured in the US
Mostly Manufactured elsewhere
FULLY assembled in China
Partially manufactured in the US
Mostly Manufactured elsewhere
FULLY assembled in China
This is nothing new. 10,000 years ago a village full of hunters and gatherers got replaced by a handful of farmers. The hunters and gatherers found new lines of work, like inventing letters and numbers.
200 years ago villages full of hand-craftsmen got replaced by a few machines run by hydro power at a central mill. The craftsmen went to work at the mills and huge volumes of consumer goods got made cheaply.
The mills full of workers in turn got replaced, with entire industries dying out or moving elsewhere.
What you say is true in large part. The question is how we deal with the situation, both politically and economically.
UNIONS will ruin it.
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So you same idiots crying for the RICH to pay their fair share think it is fine for APPLE to avoid paying their fair share.
Idiots.
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So you same idiots crying for the RICH to pay their fair share think it is fine for APPLE to avoid paying their fair share.
Idiots.
They are stating that Americans are nothing but cavemen. Perphaps they go to school involving engineering? or trade?
Not likely. As long as there are people in China willing to work for peanuts.