Impossible to say. Try it and see for yourself. It isn't a one-size-fits-all matter. I can't see using anything other than a Magic Trackpad these days (aside from the Logitech Trackman). I find it extremely disappointing to have to use a Windows laptop's touchpad without fluid inertial scrolling, excellent gesture support, two finger scrolling, etc. YMMV as with any other subjective matter.So, how difficult would the adjustment be for me? How disoriented would I be at first? How quickly do you think I would adapt?
I've used PCs/ Windows all of my life, but am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro. I'm concerned that the differences may be difficult to adjust to, though.
- PC laptop touchpad and pointing stick vs. Mac Trackpad
I have become extremely proficient with a standard PC laptop touchpad. I also love the "pointing stick" mice that a few models have (see this if you're not sure what I'm talking about). I know the Mac's Trackpad is different; you push down anywhere on it to click instead of moving to an actual button. This click also sounds louder to me than a click on a PC touchpad mouse's buttons, and I feel that it may be annoying to hear repeatedly. I am used to often using 2 fingers with the PC touchpad (1 index finger for the actual touchpad and the other for the buttons), which doesn't really seem like a possibility on the MBP. I sometimes do tap the actual touchpad area to click, which fortunately, I've read is an option on the MBP touchpad.
I'm also an avid right-clicker, and I know that to do so on the MBP, you must either hold the Command key as you click, or click with two fingers.
I'm also used to scrolling on a PC touchpad (slide finger along right edge to scroll vertically; slide finger along bottom edge to scroll horizontally).
- Ctrl vs. Command
I use Ctrl shortcuts constantly. I know I can do all the same things with the Command keys; however, they are in different locations on the keyboard, and I am used to quickly typing Ctrl+V, etc., without even looking at the keys.
- no equivalent of PC Delete key
As you know, the PC Delete key allows you to delete text going forwards. There is no way to do that on a MBP (as far as I know). I actually use the PC Delete key quite often, both to delete text and to delete files, and although I can do the latter with the MBP Delete key, it's in the location that I'm used to Backspace being in (which obviously doesn't delete files).
- completely different OS
This one should speak for itself. I know Windows and its native programs inside and out, while I have zero experience with (and little knowledge of) OS X and it's native programs.
I know I can still have Windows via Boot Camp, but I have to imagine I will be using OS X the majority of the time.
So, how difficult would the adjustment be for me? How disoriented would I be at first? How quickly do you think I would adapt?
BTW, I don't want to use an external mouse and/or keyboard to alleviate issues 1-3.
Thanks!
I've used PCs/ Windows all of my life, but am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro. I'm concerned that the differences may be difficult to adjust to, though.
- PC laptop touchpad and pointing stick vs. Mac Trackpad
I have become extremely proficient with a standard PC laptop touchpad. I also love the "pointing stick" mice that a few models have (see this if you're not sure what I'm talking about). I know the Mac's Trackpad is different; you push down anywhere on it to click instead of moving to an actual button. This click also sounds louder to me than a click on a PC touchpad mouse's buttons, and I feel that it may be annoying to hear repeatedly. I am used to often using 2 fingers with the PC touchpad (1 index finger for the actual touchpad and the other for the buttons), which doesn't really seem like a possibility on the MBP. I sometimes do tap the actual touchpad area to click, which fortunately, I've read is an option on the MBP touchpad.
You're making this more complicated than it should be. Remember that scene in Minority Report where Tom Cruise is swiping through all those case files with his fingers? That's what the OSX UI feels like.
I'm also an avid right-clicker, and I know that to do so on the MBP, you must either hold the Command key as you click, or click with two fingers.
On a Mac you can single click with 2 fingers and you will get the same result. Just make sure both fingers hit the deck at the same time.
- Ctrl vs. Command
I use Ctrl shortcuts constantly. I know I can do all the same things with the Command keys; however, they are in different locations on the keyboard, and I am used to quickly typing Ctrl+V, etc., without even looking at the keys.
The Mac shortcuts are actually much more powerful than those provided with Windows. It will take some getting used to at first, but once you get the hang of it you won't want anything else. A lot of Windows users don't realize this, but the Mac has a very long history of using keyboard shortcuts.
- no equivalent of PC Delete key
As you know, the PC Delete key allows you to delete text going forwards. There is no way to do that on a MBP (as far as I know). I actually use the PC Delete key quite often, both to delete text and to delete files, and although I can do the latter with the MBP Delete key, it's in the location that I'm used to Backspace being in (which obviously doesn't delete files).
Um... how to put this delicately... would this be a good time for me to give you that badly needed "real men don't..." lecture?
More seriously... You'll be having so much fun that I doubt you'll miss that key. I like using the command line (in terminal) and the only keys, I needed to learn (on a non-US Mac keyboard) are these:
~ = alt-n
| = alt-7
{ = alt-(
} = alt-)
[ = alt-5
] = alt-6
# = alt-3
\ = option-shift-7
- completely different OS
This one should speak for itself. I know Windows and its native programs inside and out, while I have zero experience with (and little knowledge of) OS X and it's native programs.
You'll have so much fun with OSX that you just won't believe it. There are a lot of native apps provided and they are often much more powerful than their Windows counterparts. After spending 3 minutes editing a home video in iMovie, you'll never want to perform that task in Windows again.
Thanks!
I've used PCs/ Windows all of my life, but am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro. I'm concerned that the differences may be difficult to adjust to, though.
- PC laptop touchpad and pointing stick vs. Mac Trackpad
I have become extremely proficient with a standard PC laptop touchpad. I also love the "pointing stick" mice that a few models have (see this if you're not sure what I'm talking about). I know the Mac's Trackpad is different; you push down anywhere on it to click instead of moving to an actual button. This click also sounds louder to me than a click on a PC touchpad mouse's buttons, and I feel that it may be annoying to hear repeatedly. I am used to often using 2 fingers with the PC touchpad (1 index finger for the actual touchpad and the other for the buttons), which doesn't really seem like a possibility on the MBP. I sometimes do tap the actual touchpad area to click, which fortunately, I've read is an option on the MBP touchpad.
I'm also an avid right-clicker, and I know that to do so on the MBP, you must either hold the Command key as you click, or click with two fingers.
I'm also used to scrolling on a PC touchpad (slide finger along right edge to scroll vertically; slide finger along bottom edge to scroll horizontally).
- Ctrl vs. Command
I use Ctrl shortcuts constantly. I know I can do all the same things with the Command keys; however, they are in different locations on the keyboard, and I am used to quickly typing Ctrl+V, etc., without even looking at the keys.
- no equivalent of PC Delete key
As you know, the PC Delete key allows you to delete text going forwards. There is no way to do that on a MBP (as far as I know). I actually use the PC Delete key quite often, both to delete text and to delete files, and although I can do the latter with the MBP Delete key, it's in the location that I'm used to Backspace being in (which obviously doesn't delete files).
- completely different OS
This one should speak for itself. I know Windows and its native programs inside and out, while I have zero experience with (and little knowledge of) OS X and it's native programs.
I know I can still have Windows via Boot Camp, but I have to imagine I will be using OS X the majority of the time.
So, how difficult would the adjustment be for me? How disoriented would I be at first? How quickly do you think I would adapt?
BTW, I don't want to use an external mouse and/or keyboard to alleviate issues 1-3.
Thanks!
3. fn+bksp
Thanks, I actually, learned something very useful today I was missing it, too but lazy to look for it. I kinda knew that I will discover how to do it soon or later... BTW, on my MBP it is 'Fn' and 'DELETE' keys
Re. the transition, I've been on PCs for more than 15 years... I'm on a Mac for the past month. Not looking back at all. So far, I'm loving the OS X!!!
The two best things fo me are definitely trackpad with all the gestures and up to 16 different workspaces (or virtual desktops). There is no way around it, once you'll get use to the trackpad (I did in less than an hour) there is no going back!!! Way more efficient and faster than anything else out there Plus, the workspaces allow me to have many apps/programs open at the same time and switch between them quickly.
I am in the same boat as the OP. Long time windows user and received my first mac a couple of days ago. I am still adjusting to the OS X but so far, I am loving it...especially the touchpad, its awesome!! I will be attending the courses offered at the Apple store to better familiarized with the OS X.
Always nice to hear from another happy convert - I personally started out with Mac and have been on Windows, Mac and some Linux all in Parallel ever since.
stay tuned here for tips and support
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There are some videos on their site that are great at covering the basics - if you've not seen them already I'd recommend a quick look.
If you've got any questions make use of the forums here - normally the quickest way for an answer.
Hi Charlie,
Can you please send me the link to the videos? I have looked but couldnt find them. Maybe I am not looking hard enough or looking at the wrong section.
I agree, this forum has been great for me. You guys rock!! As a first time Mac user, I'll be sure to be posting on this forum more often...thanks in advance!
First, most of the people here used Windows a few years ago, some even almost a decade ago (Last experience was Windows XP) so not only do they not understand the software differences but more importantly, the hardware differences.
Up until about one month ago, I was a hardcore PC user. Make no mistake, I was not only a Windows user, but I was a gamer, builder and tweaker. I set up custom gaming laptops and desktops, used Windows XP, Vista and 7 emphatically.
I'm an engineering student in my senior year so I've even spent 4 years using Windows for writing reports, working, setting up projects, doing research and reading articles and forums.
I'm somewhat the exact circumstance as you so I'll break this down as best as I can:
[*]Ctrl vs. Command
I use my left thumb and right thumb to strike and hold the Command key and it works very well because my thumb doesn't feel uncomfortable at all and I rarely need to hit the space key at the same time as a command shortcut. I just "curl" my left or right thumb inward, hit and hold and the opposite hand hits the appropriate key. I've gotten quite accustomed to it.
[*]no equivalent of PC Delete key
Function + Delete as others may have mentioned. Also note that there's a free App for OSX on the App Store called "Cheat Sheet" which shows you ALL the available shortcuts for the App you are currently using. All you do is hold Command for a few seconds and a dark transparent overlay displays all the shortcuts you can use. It's very useful.
[*]completely different OS
I will say that most people on this forum are biased and can't offer you a reliable opinion on Windows versus Mac. There's even people here who are so blindly loyal to Apple that they run around and claim that OSX is as good of a gaming OS as Windows when most real Mac gamers agree that Boot Camp with Windows is the way to go. Also bear in mind that most people here are comparing their OSX experience to what they 'remember' from Windows when XP was the top dog and what they view from a third person perspective of their friends/relatives who own Windows laptops.
I'll tell you as best as I can, what you'll notice:
You're not the boss anymore:
With Windows, the UAC and dark overlay popup is pretty commonplace. Most times you need to accomplish something, you have to run applications as administrator. Accessing the "registry", modifying the internals of Windows is not a strange thing to do. With OSX, this isn't the case. It's not easy to view system files on OSX and even doing something like deleting 'kext' files requires entering your password. The operating system wasn't designed with the intention of you being underneath the hood tweaking it. I had a hard time adjusting to this. It's like, I would describe using Windows as a laborious experience, almost like being at work. And OSX is like the first time you've ever gone on vacation in years. You have a hard time just 'sitting down and relaxing' but once you do, you really enjoy it.
One thing you'll notice: A lot of software suites on OSX are designed to work really REALLY well with minimum tweaking. For example, in Microsoft Office 2010, I got used to the white page view with a small toolbar on the top. In Office for Mac, I was bombarded with a myriad of tools and while it seems somewhat cluttered at first glance, it's actually very nicely done. For example, Notebook Layout in Word makes your notes look LIKE notes and it makes it easier on your eyes to keep up with lectures. It also has built in Audio Notes. On Windows Office, I had to install an audio note feature and it didn't work nearly as well as OSX.
Gestures. When you get used to TrackPad gestures, you will never miss your mouse nipple ever again. I used to own a ThinkPad T series and I got quite familiar with the pointing stick. I couldn't imagine not having it. Now that I've gotten used to TrackPad gestures, I don't even want a mouse or pointing stick. The three finger swipe up means I'm never "out of space" with open applications. Apple really nailed it with the finger gestures and multi tasking features.
Hot corners. When I want to close my screen and run off to class or to the gym, all I do is put my mouse cursor in the upper right corner and boom, my laptop is sleeping. No need to hit menus, close the lid, press buttons. I simply put the cursor top right and it sleeps. You would think that would get annoying if it happens accidentally. On the contrary, it has a very short delay. It's small enough that it feels instant when you need it to be, but long enough that if you accidentally brush the right corner while moving things around, it won't sleep. My bottom right corner is for notifications (mail, messages from Adium, text messages from Google Voice or Calendar notifications), my top left corner is for Desktop view (moves everything off screen so I can view my desktop) and my bottom left corner is for my dashboard.
Updates shmupdates. One thing I hated about Windows was it's "screw you" method of installing updates. I was in the middle of a movie with a date, full screen, things were going GREAT with me and her. She was enjoying the movie, I just fixed her a drink. Randomly the movie exits full screen and my computer starts shutting down. It says "Configuring Updates. Do not power off or unplug the computer". It took 6 minutes for it to shut down. No big right? Small chat for 6 minutes and we'll be good to go? I restarted, it was configuring 9 updates and it took 15 minutes. The buzz was killed and she had to go shortly after. Windows.... The "something other than pop-up" blocker. What's that? You can configure the Update settings differently? If that's the case, why the HELL would the DEFAULT recommended settings be to shut down your computer without asking? What engineer proposed that and managed to keep his high paying job at Microsoft?
I can't even imagine the conversation:
"Okay guys let's talk updates... How should we handle them?"
D-Bag Stevens (Chief Engineer) : "I think updates should be #1 most important and we should shut down the computer immediately when they're done. That should be the way."
Future Apple engineer: "Don't you think we should install the updates in Windows and put a small notification in the corner to restart? Let them restart when they're done working?"
D-Bag Stevens: "Are you crazy? Don't you know that if you install Windows updates while in Windows, the computer will go Ape **** and babies will go flying all over the place with explosions?"
Future Apple engineer: "Well okay then, as long as they can get back to work as soon as it's done restarting."
D-Bag Stevens: "Well it will have to configure the updates when the computer starts..."
Future Apple engineer: "But wasn't it installing them when it was shutting down? You have to install again?"
D-Bag Stevens: "Well yeah, we installed them when we were shutting down, now we have to configure them when we start it up... It's a complicated process but it makes sense. And this should be the default setting."
Future Apple engineer: "I think I'm done here, good luck guys."
The most time my MacBook has spent without me being able to use it was when it was installing Windows updates in Boot Camp, go figure. OSX updates install in the background while you work and when they're done it's one quick restart and you're back in business. And it's minimal. I've had to 'restart' OSX probably 4 times since I bought my MacBook from OSX and one of them was to install Boot Camp.
The best part is the most subtle novelty: No antivirus. I didn't notice how much I didn't enjoy leaving my computer on scanning for infections one day a week until I didn't have to do it anymore. If you have any more questions let me know. I was quite an Anti-Apple head until I had the funds to actually spend on one.
It's not easy to view system files on OSX and even doing something like deleting 'kext' files requires entering your password. The operating system wasn't designed with the intention of you being underneath the hood tweaking it. I had a hard time adjusting to this. It's like, I would describe using Windows as a laborious experience, almost like being at work. And OSX is like the first time you've ever gone on vacation in years. You have a hard time just 'sitting down and relaxing' but once you do, you really enjoy it.
Yup, I'm currently a Computer Science student (though as I mentioned above, I want to switch to Film).
Before heeding the advice of OS X converts, keep in mind that most made the switch during the XP/Vista days. Most situations of why OSX is 'better' has long past.
I see a lot of examples of "my grandma always calls me about problems ____ on windows xp! i gave her a brand new mac, and i never hear from her anymore!", or even the example above about Windows updates messing up a date night...on XP.
I use Win7/8 and OS X. At the end of the day, they are just vehicles to help you do what you want, and they both get you there. Windows 8 now has comparable gestures, and the hardware to support it (Logitech's new Touchpad is comparable if not better than Apple's -- about time)
OS X and Windows have gone a long long way to optimize user experience. From a purely technical perspective, its all about what applications you need to run and how optimal you'd like those applications to run.
Personally, I have a rMBP because I can have whatever OS I want, but only because Apple requires Apple hardware for OS X. Be warned that Apple also made no effort to optimize bootcamp - so Windows is less than ideal (terrible battery life, poor fan control).
But boy do I miss that 'snap" feature in Windows 7! I find myself going to and from Win 7 regularly, mainly for work (Office etc...) and gaming as I cant find anything in the Apple world comparable to Business Contact Manager (suggestions welcome). Thats the great thing about the mac though, you can install Windows os and flit to it if need be.
Sorry but you're mistaken. I'm a Windows 7 convert. That date night ruined was Windows 7 with its Recommended Settings. You clearly didn't read the post. The default setting for Windows 7 Updates is to install during shut down and to configure during restart.
And Windows 8 touchpad is a joke. In fact, Windows 8 is a joke unless you have a touch screen.