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Joe-Diver

macrumors 6502
Aug 2, 2009
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I'm sure Samsung ad execs are scratching their heads, wondering how to come up with an ad that makes all those Chinese look stupid and out of touch for buying the iPhone.

(and why they have to)
 

eddieaus

macrumors regular
Feb 19, 2009
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huge ads saying they give freebies on launch day.

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Rogifan

macrumors Penryn
Nov 14, 2011
24,124
31,156
Why do people keep throwing these "the total number of blah blah blah". It's ONE weekend. Did anyone expect all 200M or whatever 3G customers to go out and buy the the phone in one weekend? :confused:
 

jvmxtra

macrumors 65816
Sep 21, 2010
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Can we have something we can compare to?

How did iphone 4 or 4s did on it's first 3 days?
How about samsung s3?

This article is really empty without something we can relate this number to past performance from itself and it's competitor.
 

NoNothing

macrumors 6502
Aug 9, 2003
453
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It's an overpriced item for it's specs. The Nexus 7 beats in every way hands down.

Except usability, web browser speed, app responsiveness, cameras, app selection, game selection. You know... Things that are not at all important.

But don't let reality get in the way of a good Android fired Apple hate.
 

nastychild

macrumors newbie
Apr 11, 2011
12
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Could someone post for how much is iP5 being sold in China and the terms? Are they pretty much similar to US, 2 year commitment and about $200?
 

louis.b

macrumors regular
Jun 24, 2012
155
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Sydney
Sorry I thought MacRumors would be a site mostly for Apple fans. These days it seems to be a site mostly for Apple haters. Or people who think they're superior to others because they're an "informed consumer" with no biases (yeah right). "Informed consumer" aka anti-Appe pro-anything else.

You should not say any bad thing about them because Apparently defending Apple is considered trolling and behaving like sheep, but trashing Apple in every post is acceptable.

Go figure.
 

Rocketman

macrumors 603
2 million out of a population of 1.35 billion, doesn't look impressive... but it's a huge number. Now if they could get the phone on China's largest network that has close to 500 million subscribers.
Those carriers are going to take market share from China Mobile. This was the experience with AT&T during the iPhone rollout and exclusivity. It doesn't matter one wit the exclusivity away from China Mobile is self-imposed.

China is about to experience an example of the free market working against entrenched interests. Put that on You Tube.

BTW Android users buy more contracts and have more devices but have 1/10 the data usage. Great for networks! Bad for users. :(

Rocketman
 
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Twixt

macrumors 6502
May 30, 2012
471
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It s a miss and will be read this way.
iPhone 5 is a bust in comparison with analysts expectations and stock is way down from $700+ mostly because of that. It s not absolute numbers that matter, but relative performance! Citi just downgraded, stock should go more down
 

Bruce Oksol

macrumors regular
Jan 27, 2009
143
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Texas
2 million out of a population of 1.35 billion, doesn't look impressive... but it's a huge number. Now if they could get the phone on China's largest network that has close to 500 million subscribers.

Many, many years ago, people like Dell felt Apple should fold: Apple had only 2 percent of market share.

But Steve Jobs was not concerned. He noted that Microsoft had 95% of market share.

Steve Jobs said it would be easier for Apple to double its market share, than it would be for Microsoft to double its market share.

Likewise, if Apple sold "only" 2 million in a country with 1.3 billion people, look at the potential. In the meantime, Apple has 45% margins on 2 million more iPhones sold. This really is quite incredible.
 

Masterkona

macrumors member
Oct 13, 2012
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I see a problem with current estimates for this coming quarter.
This is an idea of a realistic Iphone 5 estimate.


September 21-30 (200,000 per day) = 1.8 mil
October 1-31 (250,000 per day) = 7 mil 750k
November 1-30 (400,000 per day) = 12 mil
December 1-31 (400,000 per day) = 12 mil 400k
January 1-21 (300,000 per day) = 6 mil 300k
Assume 11mil from initial weekend release globally
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51 million 250K
+ 9 mil 760k IPhone 4S
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61 mill 10k iPhones total.


For the heck of it, I'll assume they sold 80k iPhone 4S per day continuously as It seems very realistic.

Am I missing anything? Anyone know of any website that has an idea of what production capacity is at Foxconn? Since supply issues were settled around early November, I am assuming 400k per day is capacity. These number seem very conservative, especially since Apple sold about 385k per day in May Quarter. With the expanded global rampup and current first weekend sales figures being 50-100% higher than prior records, I have a hard time believing the record from 2 quarters ago is as high as they can get.
 
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SAIRUS

macrumors 6502a
Aug 21, 2008
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Bet Apple sure likes the increased margin with not having to take international shipping into account in their margins.
 

Rogifan

macrumors Penryn
Nov 14, 2011
24,124
31,156
Citi downgrades Apple while Morgan Stanley says iPhone sales are still very strong and Apple could sell 50m+ this quarter. These clowns really don't have a clue do they. :rolleyes:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/meanwhile-morgan-stanley-says-iphone-030416561.html

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It s a miss and will be read this way.
iPhone 5 is a bust in comparison with analysts expectations and stock is way down from $700+ mostly because of that. It s not absolute numbers that matter, but relative performance! Citi just downgraded, stock should go more down

And Morgan Stanley says the opposite. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/meanwhile-morgan-stanley-says-iphone-030416561.html

Who you gonna believe?
 

zukernik

macrumors regular
Apr 14, 2010
152
0
Hong Kong
Could someone post for how much is iP5 being sold in China and the terms? Are they pretty much similar to US, 2 year commitment and about $200?

$850/$975/$1100

3G contracts in China start at $7 a month for 150mb 50min and go up from there with the most expensive plan costing $140 a month. Anything you use in excess of that costs $0.05 per MB and $0.025 per minute. Text messages are usually free on contracts.

Here are the iPhone specific plans:
http://3g.10010.com/3gindex/3gfee/iPhone_plan.html
Here are the subsidies for various contracts:
http://iphone.10010.com
100 RMB = 16 USD
 
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c0venant

macrumors regular
Jun 26, 2012
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Boomish said:
Android has over 140 million users already!!!
of course Apple should have the same amount of sales, because there is no difference between [a huge variety of] Android phones that cost $80 and a company that only sells expensive high-end smartphones like Apple.:rolleyes:
 

Michael Scrip

macrumors 604
Mar 4, 2011
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12,480
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Time to update your stereotype.

I admit my photo was a bit harsh... I apologize.

On the other hand... I've heard that Apple's addressable market in China is only 400 million customers.

That's 1/4 of the population of China. In other words... 3/4 of the population in China cannot afford $800+ iPhones.

I should have lead with that... not the photo.
 

Morshu9001

macrumors regular
Dec 16, 2012
214
0
the capital of Assyria
I can see the Wall Street headlines tomorrow reading "Apple only sells 2 million iPhones in first weekend in China. Analysts projected sales of 3 million. Apple fails."

Haha, like "Apple's projected price downgraded to $700 from $750" *people sell down to $509*

I had some FedEx stock once. The analysts downgraded it and urged to sell. It went up 30% as I held. Apple's stock was supposed to hit $1000 by now. I think they're called analysts because they pull stuff out of their butts.
 

haruhiko

macrumors 604
Sep 29, 2009
6,529
5,875
I can see the Wall Street headlines tomorrow reading "Apple only sells 2 million iPhones in first weekend in China. Analysts projected sales of 3 million. Apple fails."

Spot on. I think all of the Fandroids here pull out predictions and comments better than the analysts.
 

coolspot18

macrumors 65816
Aug 16, 2010
1,051
90
Canada
And most of the Chinese population live in conditions like this:

rural-village-in-china.jpg


So 2 million the first weekend is fine considering their addressable market.

Yes, but probably 20 - 50 million upper middle class families, 300+ million middle class families. There's a lot of buying power in China - more than some countries like Canada!

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That's 1/4 of the population of China. In other words... 3/4 of the population in China cannot afford $800+ iPhones.

Yeah, and neither can most Canadians or Americans!
 
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