Apple Now Tracking Working Hours for Over One Million Supply Chain Employees

Yet somehow, activists will still complain.

Mods may want to make this PRSI-only. I could tell this kind of article has a high probability of heated discussion.

60 hours of course is still a lot more than is standard in the USA and Europe. In the latter, we'd see 40 +/- 5 hour weeks as a standard - although of course the con that is unpaid overtime for salaried workers masks the actual worked hours - but you need to sign a form if you regularly work an average of 48 hours a week or more.

I'd love to see the 48 hour week stats as well as the 60 hour week stats.

Otherwise, why not just declare a 100% conformance with a "90 hour week standard".

Of course, as a developing industrial country, long work hours are normal. And many sites provide accommodation, so that's a commute saved too.

But yet because it's Apple, the labour conditions for another company is their fault. It's as if Apple are the one managing Foxconn.

In truth, I find it unusual for a company to track the wages of workers for the supplier. I think what Apple are doing are more than adequate

I maxed out at 120 hours in one week at the hospital during residency, where it was illegal to go over 80 hours. The tracking is a step in the right direction, but it's only as good as the reported data it's based on.

Hattig said:

... And many sites provide accommodation, so that's a commute saved too.

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And Foxconn even wraps their facilities with hammocks so that you can take a break out the window!

guzhogi said:

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yup ! the comparison to Walmart will run rampant !

xionxiox said:

Yet somehow, activists will still complain.

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thats why they say its lonely at the top

adildacoolset said:

But yet because it's Apple, the labour conditions for another company is their fault. It's as if Apple are the one managing Foxconn.

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Unsurprisingly we don't see media coverage of the labor practices of Google's Chinese "partners" like ZTE, Xiaomi, Huawei, Meizu, and who-knows-who-else building Android devices. Though we hear all about Android market share. Hmm...

Apple is not only setting the standards for great products and design, but also Corporate Responsibility. Keep it up!

Interesting to see that Apple would assume a 60 hour standard. I know that this is much higher than the United States and European Nations, but I am not aware what social norms are for the East Asian countries. Do these countries typically see workers in this many hours?

Another positive effort from the

Hattig said:

60 hours of course is still a lot more than is standard in the USA and Europe.

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Don't forget that large numbers of these workers are migrant workers, far away from their homes. If you talk to them, they would want to work more hours each day, make a bit more money, and take longer vacations at the end of year to visit their families.

This behavior is standard of all migrant workers across the world. Even in US, many off-site consultants work 10 Hr weekdays, and have a 3 day weekend (I know it still adds up to 40 hrs, but this is just to explain the reasoning behind a migrant worker thought process).

Hattig said:

60 hours of course is still a lot more than is standard in the USA and Europe. In the latter, we'd see 40 +/- 5 hour weeks as a standard - although of course the con that is unpaid overtime for salaried workers masks the actual worked hours - but you need to sign a form if you regularly work an average of 48 hours a week or more.

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Standard? Among some office workers. A lot of people work multiple jobs and the total is more like 60 to 90 hours a week. Don't interfere with people's right to work. If they want to work 60 hours then more power to them. I work far more than that as does everyone in our family. Just because you don't want to work don't try to force your values on other people.

This is complete ********. The U.S. government should check the hours of foreign contractors if it’s that concerned – not Apple

Hattig said:

60 hours of course is still a lot more than is standard in the USA and Europe. In the latter, we'd see 40 +/- 5 hour weeks as a standard - although of course the con that is unpaid overtime for salaried workers masks the actual worked hours - but you need to sign a form if you regularly work an average of 48 hours a week or more.

I'd love to see the 48 hour week stats as well as the 60 hour week stats.

Otherwise, why not just declare a 100% conformance with a "90 hour week standard".

Of course, as a developing industrial country, long work hours are normal. And many sites provide accommodation, so that's a commute saved too.

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While I am not sure I am comfortable with the state of affairs, almost everyone I know here in the states works 60 hour weeks. Most companies mandate a minimum of 50, average of 60 with the occasional 80 being required.

Again, not to say I agree with it, but I would be careful about acting like 40 hour work weeks are anything but a distant memory to most in the US.

Karl P

camnchar said:

I maxed out at 120 hours in one week at the hospital during residency, where it was illegal to go over 80 hours. The tracking is a step in the right direction, but it's only as good as the reported data it's based on.

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where/what did you do residency in?

Doctor Q said:

I'm pleased that Apple addresses the topic of supplier responsibility but I don't expect the system to be perfect. For example, the exception for workers who "volunteer for the additional time" is hard to monitor. How do you know if workers are subtly or blatantly coerced into "volunteering"? There's a limit to how much can be monitored accurately, but the more eyes there are on the problem the harder it will be for violations to stay hidden.

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Exactly my concern as well. It is what it is I guess. This story will be retweeted/posted on FB, with not so much a second look at the details. Apple is just trying to slowly change public perception after all.

This whole scandal has given Apple the ability to disguise their need of a thorough analysis of their suppliers' actual productivity to get enough information as leverage for negotiations.

As an example, let's say that Foxconn reveals to Apple that they need to charge extra labor time within 2 weeks to produce 500,000 units of part X for the iPhone (just a scenario, not actual info.) And in reality, the don't need to charge extra time, and/or they do not pay the complete extra time to their workers.

Apple does not care if the worker gets paid their complete money, and this does not indicate that Apple is pure evil... is just that Apple does not want to be charged more money than they should pay. Apple must already have personnel at Foxconn that audits to some degree this, but they cannot get really inside of their finances to detect small nuances that in mass production makes the producer save money and keep it under the water without telling the client (Apple) that they have such savings.

Now, the way public relationists are handling this... well, let's just say it's lack of ethics to hide something like this under the "we care about workers" flag.

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Standard? Among some office workers. A lot of people work multiple jobs and the total is more like 60 to 90 hours a week. Don't interfere with people's right to work. If they want to work 60 hours then more power to them. I work far more than that as does everyone in our family. Just because you don't want to work don't try to force your values on other people.

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Who is interfering with your right to work or forcing their values on you? 40 hours a week, while not necessarily the average, is considered a standard work week. Many work more, and many work less. To each his own.

On topic, kudos to Apple for trying to track this information. How accurately the suppliers are reporting the information is a completely different story.

I work well more than 40 hours a week; I must not know what I'm doing. Who's gonna graph my work and see if I'm being taken advantage of?

pixelpro said:

apple is not only setting the standards for great products and design, but also corporate responsibility. Keep it up!

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+1

mankar4 said:

where/what did you do residency in?

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Probably at Fullovshet General Hospital for cranial lobotomy internship.