Hmm.. Counter intuitive. The Mac Pro was the obvious choice. Just goes to show that I should be running Apple instead of Tim.
Mac Pro sells what, 10 units a month? Yeah, you'd be great.
Hmm.. Counter intuitive. The Mac Pro was the obvious choice. Just goes to show that I should be running Apple instead of Tim.
And quality will go way down.
Apple's mentality is that the Mac Pro is no longer relevant and will be phased out. Just look at what happened to the Mac Server and the 17 inch Mac Pro. With Apple, you get less and less choice for when things really matter.
You think a robot can make a Mac Mini by itself? Then you have no idea what goes into the making of a computer or what robots can do and what humans can do.
I bet if Apple does introduce an updated Mac Pro, it will be glued shut.
Mac Pro sells what, 10 units a month? Yeah, you'd be great.
Mac Pro sells what, 10 units a month? Yeah, you'd be great.
You think a robot can make a Mac Mini by itself? Then you have no idea what goes into the making of a computer or what robots can do and what humans can do.
...but made by Foxconn.
Apple cannot "move" something to the US that has pretty much always been in the US to begin with. Every single Mac Pro I've seen(granted haven't seen any new ones in a few years) has been assembled in the USA. They are simply too bulky and too low-volume to assemble them in China then air mail them over. Mac Minis on the other hand have never been assembled in the US. Being quite light and pretty high-volume(which makes assembling large #s of them then shipping by boat economical) meant that they could be affordably assembled elsewhere.
It will be interesting to see how Foxconn handle this. Labor laws in the USA are so far removed from what is considered "The Norm" in China. Workers in the USA are not going to buy into the Foxconn ethos without it's overhaul and modification wholesale. I wonder if this is linked to Apples' so called drive to improve conditions and pay for Foxconn workers in China.
I don't think the Mac Pro fits into Apple's portfolio anymore. A separate heavy bulky computer, made by reusable parts, with an external screen?
No, they prefer a computer to have all things integrated, not just for aesthetics and simplicity, but you also need to buy new very often, and throw the old away --> Apple profit.
I don't think the Mac Pro returns in its current form. And yes, it's rather absurd of them to disregard the professional market so long, and overcharging for horribly outdated hardware.
I am damn tired of hearing of iPhones and iPads. Need to get solid alternatives for serious computing back.
Apparently you failed to realize I was joking? Besides, you are quite ignorant about the MacPro. Yes, it is the most expensive box and sells the least. The last "semi-upgrade" in 2011 was selling about 25,000 units per month.
If they do a real upgrade and do it right in 2013 those numbers will at least double. All the pros who use these machines to make a living are waiting with money in hand. You wouldn't know about that would you. I know about it because I'm one of them.
Well, for $700 you could get a Mac Mini loaded up with 16 GB RAM. Let's say you get 2 for $1,400. That gives you 8 cores of bucket rendering (i5) in addition to those in your main machine (maybe a 4-core iMac), which is not that terrible. I'll grant you it's not the same thing, but 3D network distributed rendering is pretty efficient (or even After Effects if you set it up right). I have an iMac and MacBook Air and use whichever one I'm not on to network render in modo and Cinema4D. If my needs were greater, I would consider adding Mac Minis as render farm nodes.Apple should remember that guys like me develop apps for their little iToys with something that has more computing power than an iMac or MacMini. Let's see one of those try to rip through a complex Maya or Vue frame at iPad retina resolution without me having to go out for lunch followed by a nap while just one frame cooks off. If there was such a thing as a stable Hackintosh, I'd give it due consideration. I know some are happy with a Hackintosh, but I also know some who wrestle with the things every time a minor software update is published.
Agreed on last count.
While power systems may be thinning out, I've noticed a pattern of Apple purposefully neglecting this sect then turning around and exclaiming, "See! The Mac Pro is dead. This is a post-pc era. Go buy more iPad's and iMac's."
Yeah, I'd like to see a loaded iMac core i7 take on even a small bit of HD rendering that my Mac Pro 12-Core handles like a hot knife through butter. Time is money, just because an iMac can handle some professional/creative work doesn't mean it can be productive in a timely manner. I just bought a loaded Mac Mini, and while some tests claim it's fast, doesn't beat out my Pro and I need the speed for work.
So will Foxconn just ship it's workers to the US to make these things? If Apple was serious about cleaning up the production line they would make them in house not contract out.
Hmm.. Counter intuitive. The Mac Pro was the obvious choice. Just goes to show that I should be running Apple instead of Tim.
A robot can certainly assemble a mini which can be broken down into about a dozen individual parts - look at a car production plant.
Nothing will be "made" in a US factory, all components will be made in the same oversees locations, shipped over and merely put together in the US by robots.
And quality will go way down.
You couldn't be more incorrect in your assumption
Perhaps it is that you are just unaware of the conditions in these foreign factories.
Just because something was 'imported' doesn't mean it possesses some innate quality unrivaled by any of its domestic counterparts. This stereotype needs to die, and you should be ashamed of yourself not having any respect for our country.
You mean like the outstanding quality that has been coming out of China?
Am I the only person who thinks this is pointless as it will be run by foxconn?
Yes, some tax revenue from engineers will go back into the US economy, but will that even offset the tax breaks the govt would have offered to get them to build a factory in their state? The profits of the business will be going first to foxconn (owed by China so paid to China) and then Apple who avoids most tax anyway.
Just seems like a marketing scheme targeted at people who don't understand the basics of economics. 'ohh it says made in the US, let's buy this over that Chinese product over there because we are supporting our jobs'
Air mail...they will be shipped in a container...and the cost is minimal given what you can get in a 40ft
The air mail was in reference to BTOs, they almost always ship those air mail as doing so is cheaper than having to create large #s of each config and risk them not selling. The stock configs are almost all shipped by container(*within a month or 2 of a new model being released, stock configs of newer models are often shipped by airmail because constrained supplies preclude them from going container)
Agreed on last count.
While power systems may be thinning out, I've noticed a pattern of Apple purposefully neglecting this sect then turning around and exclaiming, "See! The Mac Pro is dead. This is a post-pc era. Go buy more iPad's and iMac's."
Yeah, I'd like to see a loaded iMac core i7 take on even a small bit of HD rendering that my Mac Pro 12-Core handles like a hot knife through butter. Time is money, just because an iMac can handle some professional/creative work doesn't mean it can be productive in a timely manner. I just bought a loaded Mac Mini, and while some tests claim it's fast, doesn't beat out my Pro and I need the speed for work.