What horshhit! Why should you pay less because you are out of contract. You are receiving the same service and package. Talk about self-importance syndrome.
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What horshhit! Why should you pay less because you are out of contract. You are receiving the same service and package. Talk about self-importance syndrome.
This is slightly off topic but,
is Tmobile reframing their network for current iPhone users to have 3G and HSPA+ EVERYWHERE or just mainly in the popular cities among the USA? As an iPhone 4s user, I would like 3g mainly for GPS purposes, 2g is rather slow. However, I may get an iPhone 5 or later if this article is true.
yeah like my mother-in-law. it took her years to decide on paying the $49 to get an iPhone 4.....no way in hell she's gonna pay $649 to upgrade her phone when it's time.Public perception is everything. If all the carriers go to this most people will be like "I'm not going to pay $649 for something that cost me $200 two years ago". The big technology cellphone party where everyone updated their device with every new upgrade and iteration that the economy has been helped by for the last few years will be over.
The public perception will entirely depend on TMobile producing some kind of marketing puffery indicating that their monthly bills are significantly lower than
the other carriers.
If they can't do that and keep the prices the same this isn't a great deal for the average person looking at it on the street.
This will be VERY interesting. T-Mobile tried something similar a few years ago called Even More Plus, where they knocked $20 off the monthly bill in exchange for no subsidy on the phone. It wasn't popular then, but that was partly because they offered subsidies greater than $240 on their other plans.
Apple is very much a company who has benefited from carrier subsidies. iPhone adoption rates in the US are significantly higher than in Europe, where subsidies are less common and Android phones sell for less. I wonder if this is why we are suddenly hearing all the chatter about a cheaper iPhone (first Digitimes, then the more reputable WSJ and today Bloomberg). Perhaps part of it could be for emerging markets like China, but maybe Apple is also preparing for the days when it won't be able to rely on AT&T and Verizon paying them an extra $100 for their phones.
Both carriers do, however, acknowledge that customers are so conditioned to low upfront device costs that it may prove a significant hurdle to overcome.
who is to say the plans will be any cheaper with AT&T or Verizon? If people are going to get loans and tack on extra money, why get rid of the subsidy? People don't understand the true cost of cell phones nowadays. My mother-in-law would barely pay $49 to get an iphone 4 and she thinks that's how much they cost. When she wasn't due for an upgrade we offered to sell a 3GS back in the day for $125. she said we were ripping her off basically bc she could get it cheaper at walmart or radioshack for free or $49. she didn't understand the true cost of the phone. I don't see how this will go over well. Here sir, your bill will be $79.99/month and you pay us $649 for the device. people will not be buying iphones anymore like they have been.Even More plus IS the Value plans, which are very popular (I'm on one) and they've had a for a few years.. They cut about $25-30/mo off because you don't get subsidized phones.
What most don't realize is that even though subsidy goes away, the customer is still NOT paying the full price up front. T-Mobile is pushing it as an alternative subsidy.
Meaning, when you go in, they push you to the value plans, then when you start talking phones they tell you it's $150 or $200 down (up front cost) then they tac on $15 or $20 /mo for the phone for 20 months. Sometimes, like over the holidays, they do a $50 or 0 Down and $15 or $20/mo for phone.
In the end it's still a good $20/mo cheeper than Verizon and ATT but you own the phone.
The reasoning is simple. Subsidies get added onto the debt of the phone company. It something that hangs over their heads because they pickup the phones costs.. This way, the phone's cost is completely on the consumer, but they don't have to pay all up front. It goes on their credit with t-mobile as a payment plan.
Win/Win - customer owns the phone/unlocked with cheeper month to month plan and t-mobile looks a lot better on the books. Customer can pay off the phone anytime and no interest on the phone's payment plan and payment is tied into phone bill. Try that with a credit card these days, you really can't.
while stupid sure...but it's not like there are tons of options out there man. I've gone back and forth between carriers and done prepaid etc. yes there are cost savings to do prepaid, but there are also headaches as well. We don't have much choice here in the USA. Now if we had tons of choices i would agree with you. You aren't comparing equal services. T-mobile is a joke on iphone, edge data vs. LTE come on.Conditioned? Please.
The correct term is 'stupid'...sorry but it's true.
If coverage is the same and you aren't one of these individuals that HAS to have data at lightning speeds at all times, then you are just throwing your money away on AT&T and Verizon plans.
And if you can afford those monthly plans of $100+, then you sure as heck can afford an upfront payment of $650. But most people are just clueless about saving money over time vs that day.
For me and many others, it's just simple math that we buy upfront and take it to T-Mobile or other paygo carriers to save us $700+ over 2 years easily.
Conditioned? Please.
The correct term is 'stupid'...sorry but it's true.
If coverage is the same and you aren't one of these individuals that HAS to have data at lightning speeds at all times, then you are just throwing your money away on AT&T and Verizon plans.
And if you can afford those monthly plans of $100+, then you sure as heck can afford an upfront payment of $650. But most people are just clueless about saving money over time vs that day.
For me and many others, it's just simple math that we buy upfront and take it to T-Mobile or other paygo carriers to save us $700+ over 2 years easily.
This is exactly what I was about to post. They'll act like the current base rates will be a perk to anyone paying full price up-front for the phone. If you finance, it'll add the extra $20-30 to your bill. Either way, the consumer loses.
For example, right now: You pay a $200 subsidized price for your iPhone 5 + $100 a month for service for 2 years on contract. ($2600 total cost of ownership for 2 years)
In the future, you have two options.
Option 1: Pay $650 upfront for your iPhone 5. Then $100 a month for service for 2 years. ($3050 total cost of ownership for 2 years)
Option 2: Finance the phone over 2 years. $100 a month for service for 2 years + $27.08 a month for 2 years to pay off the phone (Assuming it is interest and fee free). ($3050 total cost of ownership for 2 years).
So, unless the carrier offers about $18.75 off your bill each month for buying or financing an unsubsidized phone, it will cost the consumer an extra $450 over 2 years for an iPhone 5 16GB. If you have multiple phones in your household, the cost would greatly increase.
Perhaps the trade-off is being contract free, but due to GSM/CDMA, you are still kind of limited. Seems like a lose-lose for consumers in the short term, at least.
The thing is it will still be a contract until you fully pay the phone off.
This is why MVNOs are getting more popular. Same service but at half the cost. T-mobile's prepaid is only 35 a month and Straight talk is 45 a month. I honestly do not see why people stick with the big carriers. As soon as my contract runs out I am ditching for one of the sub $50 MVNOs.
What horshhit! Why should you pay less because you are out of contract. You are receiving the same service and package. Talk about self-importance syndrome.
You and I could sit and have a long, long talk. I feel the exact same way because I'm in the exact same position....
...The only reason I'm not on T-Mobile yet is no Visual Voicemail support. Not even YouMail works on a relative's T-Mobile iPhone 4. At this point, I don't care at all. For $30 a month, I can get 100 minutes, unlimited text, and unlimited web. If they carry the iPhone, they will either implement Visual Voicemail or provide a solution for those that have the iPhone on a prepaid plan. Until then, for $30, I can call my voicemail like I used to.
The big difference is that in Europe, with the unsubsidized phones comes the freedom to choose any carrier you want. Here, you have to buy a phone specific to the carrier. If you get an unlocked GSM phone, then you can either choose AT&T, T-Mobile, or one of the pre-paid plans using their network. Not really that much choice for the consumer.
Ok, then why is it that when you buy an iPhone off contract your monthly bill is no less than someone who bought on contract? I have NO problem paying for an iPhone 5 at full price from at&t but I want my monthly bills LOWER to go along with it. I sold phones for Cingluar and I remember selling great plans for 39.99 a month.
if this is what the future brings, u can be sure that many people that have iphones now will no longer have them in the future. they don't think the true cost of the device is $649. also, this is tmobile you're talking about.....you think AT&T or Verizon is gonna do the same thing? It's just a way to get the liability off of them and make more money.Wow... it amazing to me how many people commenting on this thread don't get it. T-Mobile will offer the iPhone for the same price (or slightly less) than AT&T, Verizon and Sprint -- but after two years of paying off the loan for the phone, subscribers bills will drop. (Or people can choose to pay the full cost of the phone upfront and take the lower bill from the start.)
I love this approach, and would gladly switch to it once my two-year iPhone 5 contract with Verizon is up. I don't always need a new phone every two years, and would be happy to pocket the savings for a year or two until my phone either fell apart or the lure of new technology lead me to replace my phone.
So it's interesting that no one has noted that the real loser in this plan is Apple and the other phone makers -- because fewer people will replace their phones at exact two-year intervals. Currently, there is no incentive for US users not to get a new phone as soon as your contract allows. Under the loan-not-subsidy model, there's a roughly $20 per device per month incentive to hold onto your old phone. If my wife and I kept our phones for a third year, we'd save nearly $500. And Apple (and others) will sell fewer phones in the US because we won't all replace our phones every two years.
If AT&T and Verizon would offer lower plan cost with the end of subsidies I would gladly do it and even sign a contract for the lower rate lock in.
I'm up for cheaper plan rates and bringing your own phone. Most of the market will be in shock though...
why would u sign a contract? lol