Just imagine how wide the acceptance would be if it were free!Retina models should be priced $300 less in order to gain wide acceptance.
$1439 sounds like a good price for a NEW one... Should have been around that price to begin with.
Still cant justify these over a mba. $400 more for a bigger/heavier laptop with better processor and screen.
Took the words out of my mouth. Even I would be hard pressed not to grab a refurb but I am waiting out for Haswell.$1439 sounds like a good price for a NEW one... Should have been around that price to begin with.
I used to think these were dumb.
But.
Running 2x 2560x1440 Thunderbolt Displays AND the notebooks retina screen AND a 1920x1200 monitor via HDMI (or a TV or whatever) is pretty amazing.
I know the 15" can do this, I assume the 13" can as well.
The refurb store is a good deal - I haven't bought a "new" Mac in a long, long time.
I wouldn't mind buying a refurbished desktop because I could get a new keyboard and mouse... Those are the places somebody else touched the most...
But unless Apple change whole new exterior parts, I'm not buying refurbished laptop or tablet...
I'm not paying 1400$+ for a computer with an Intel GPU.
Just wish they had better GPUs so I could play games with that nice resolution.
Refurbished have new batteries?
Look, KPOM is right.
There's little competition in the 15" arena too, and yet the rMBP 15" managed to be priced very close to a 15" cMBP, in fact, the Retina display becomes a no-cost option if you configure both the 15" cMBP and the 15" rMBP to the same specs.
Yet, the 13" rMBP has the display as a 200$ option. A similarly configured 13" cMBP is 200$ cheaper.
There's no explanation for that, you can't spin this kind of stuff (well, you'll try...).
Sure there is. Is it worth it to me, the customer making the decision, to pay $200 more for the rMBP in order to get a machine that's nearly a pound lighter and has a better display? If yes, then it's a "fair" price to me. If not, then it isn't. Since I'm not in the market for a 15" notebook, Apple's relative pricing on the 15" models is irrelevant.
15" rMBP is absolutely worth the money. 13" rMBP isn't.
15" rMBP is absolutely worth the money. 13" rMBP isn't.
Only if you want to actually do some PR spin for Apple and want to ignore the whole pricing on the 15" rMBP vs the 15" cMBP. Then yes, within the RDF he's right.
For everyone else, 1499$ was the price that would've made sense for the 13" rMBP (same pricing strategy as on the 15" rMBP when compared to its cMBP cousin). At 1499$, myself and a collegue would own 13" rMBPs. Now instead he went with a MBA, I went with the 15" rMBP.
The only reason I can see for Apple doing this to the pricing is to actually discourage high volume of 13" rMBP sales. At the volumes they sell the 13" MBP vs the 15" MBP, non-Retina, they probably thought that a 1499$ would result in too high volume for their capacity to produce Retina displays.
So they priced themselves out of the market a bit, in order to decrease volume.
That's the only logical explanation. And it's not consumer friendly at all. It's quite consumer hostile. Just making the "shipping window" longer would've had the same effect (wait 3-4 weeks for a 13" rMBP or go 15" ?).
So because you thought that a $1699 13" rMBP was overpriced, you went out and bought one that is $2199?
15" rMBP is absolutely worth the money. 13" rMBP isn't.
At home, I have a 13" MBP. Apart from the price vs. 15", I preferred the 13" not because it has a smaller screen size, but because it has less weight. With the 15" rMBP, that's not an argument anymore. It doesn't feel bigger (in the sense of harder to carry or transport).
Unless you get the cheapest 13" rMBP, you get a vastly superior 15" rMBP for just £100 more. There's absolutely no way I would buy a 13" rMBP today. The original 13" MBP + BYOR (bring your own RAM), or the cheaper rMBP with 16 GB RAM are by far the best buys and all the others are rather pointless.
But I don't want a 15" rMBP. I want a 13" one. If they made an 11.6" one I'd probably get that. Believe me, I can notice the difference in weight between a 13" rMBP and 15" rMBP. Heck, I'm still getting used to how much heavier this is than my 11.6" MacBook Air. I don't need a quad core processor or dGPU for what I do.
Yes. Value per dollar. gnasher put it best :
The 1699$ asking price for the 13" rMBP was not giving me 1699$ worth of laptop, while a 2199$ price for the 15" rMBP was giving 2199$ worth of laptop.
It's not that I didn't have the money, it's that I don't see the value.
Sure, but I won't over pay for a 13" rMBP if I can get a fairer price on a 15" model and get more value for my dollar. I don't need a quad core or dGPU, but you know what, I don't regret getting them, I decided to play a few game titles I was putting off because I didn't have the computing horse power to run them.
The F150 analogy is just ludicrous. A 15" rMBP is far from a F150 to the 13"'s A3. Car analogies never work anyhow.