I forgot to mention the keyboard should swivel as well... so the keys can be concealed when it folds back. I think another company already did this though.
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Microsoft Surface Pro to Be Released February 9 with $899 Price Tag
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But the comparably priced Macbook Air is a good deal?
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No worries for you then since he hasn't run the company for years and had nothing to do with Windows 8 or the Surface.
Exactly what I was thinking. Oh, and it natively runs over 90% of the business and consumer software currently in existence. Perfectly? Probably not, but that emulator you're running isn't perfect either. "Good Enough" is a judgement call . . .
Its insane how biased everyone here is. On paper it has better specs than the macbook air. Yet everyone still says its a overpriced POS
Yeah never get that analogy. A MBA/pad for 1k which is like the Lenovo Yoga would be pretty sweet though. Their current 1k offering at the big A is very LOL. 11 inch whatever that crap is....
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So true! At least Apple isn't greedy.
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Please stop bringing logic into the discussion. It doesn't go over well.
Take a perfectly normal car.
Replace the steering wheel with an Xbox controller.
Yeah, 10% can wreck usability.
How much time have you spent using the Surface Pro? What didn't you like about it?
My point is I shouldn't need a touch input to use a desktop. It does not make sense for a desktop environment. I tried to get away from metro but the OS would keep sucking me back in. For example I opened up outlook, which the OS transferred me to classic view to use. Ok, great. Then I double clicked an mp3 file I downloaded to the desktop to listen to it. Well, the OS took me out of classic view into a full screen metro view of this lone song. Completely disrupting my work. Now, I had to navigate back. See, win 8 would be great and work like any other version of the recent offerings, if metro could be turned off.
Well Apple partly subsidizes their iPads because they make 30% off of every app purchases in the app store. This is still technically Microsoft's first computer ever, and they don't have the high volume production like Apple to help reduce the cost.
I hope Microsoft does do well with the Surface and their future products. The competition between Apple and Microsoft will force advancements by both companies and benefit all consumers in the future.
Well, MS is putting the "Pro" in "Profit" I guess...
Who is the audience for this? I'm going to assume it's a "professional", given the name and price tag. But what pro apps would I run on this that I wouldn't want a regular, much more powerful laptop for? I feel like it's in this weird middle ground of pricing.
Who is the audience for this? I'm going to assume it's a "professional", given the name and price tag. But what pro apps would I run on this that I wouldn't want a regular, much more powerful laptop for? I feel like it's in this weird middle ground of pricing.
Do you have a source that indicates the Touch Cover is included? Because according to to Microsoft, it does not seem to be included for that price.
To quote the linked press release from Microsoft:
Notice there is no mention of Type Cover. Further down in a caption for a picture we see this text (my emphasis):
This would put the price at $1028 with the Type Cover priced at $129.
Please stop bringing logic into the discussion. It doesn't go over well.
You think I would've learned by now...
I think the success of the mini and nexus 7 has taken all the air out of hybridization. For most users it will be much more attractive to have an ultrabook and a small tablet. The only competitve advantage for surface is a wacom digitizer, but the fact that Microsoft never even mentions this shows it is not an important feature to prospective buyers. The failure of the Surface will confirm that the new 7-8 inch tablet paradigm.
Wow, talk about your basic overreaction. You can have no concept of whether I "hate" Microsoft, let alone whether I am keeping at it.
The fact is, looking beyond the three products you mentioned, Microsoft does have a poor track record with making products that succeed. Even the Xbox was a huge financial sinkhole for many years before it started turning a profit. By contrast the very moment any product from Apple seems to be anything less than an instant smash hit, the critics and the doomsayers are all over it. Can you say "double standard?" I knew you could.
I said precisely what I meant. Microsoft is nothing if not persistent. They may yet succeed with one or another of the Surface models, but not because they made a great plan and executed brilliantly on that plan, it will be on account of trying over and over again until something clicks. This is Microsoft's history beyond of their core product line, and it isn't "hate" to make this observation, but a statement of fact.
It is also worth mentioning that if Microsoft does manage to develop a hit Surface product, that they will be getting straight up the noses of their Windows OEMs. Right now Microsoft being both their partner and a competitor isn't much of an issue, but it could become one if Surface goes anywhere.
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We could start with the Price.
Does anyone have anything else they would like to add to the list?
Perhaps I'm the only one that noticed this... but look at the batteries. The iPad and regular surface tablet are running low power chips, so having 30-40 Wh makes sense and works well for them respectively.
Now we have a machine with an i5 and HD4000 at 17W.... with ~40Wh. Compared to a proper laptop, like a rMBP which has 95 Wh or a regular MBP with 74 Wh, that battery size seems rather underwhelming. However, when compared to the 11" MBA it appears favorable (35 Wh), but I can't imagine them sticking in a dual core clocked that low when they have a TEGRA3 for their standard edition. I can't be half assed to look up the clock speed and cores for the i5 they picked, but I'm sure it's gimped to hell as a ULV in order to compensate some.
I'd be interested to see real-world battery life -- maybe Windows 8 is better at resource management than OSX?
Now we have a machine with an i5 and HD4000 at 17W.... with ~40Wh. Compared to a proper laptop, like a rMBP which has 95 Wh or a regular MBP with 74 Wh, that battery size seems rather underwhelming. However, when compared to the 11" MBA it appears favorable (35 Wh), but I can't imagine them sticking in a dual core clocked that low when they have a TEGRA3 for their standard edition. I can't be half assed to look up the clock speed and cores for the i5 they picked, but I'm sure it's gimped to hell as a ULV in order to compensate some.
I'd be interested to see real-world battery life -- maybe Windows 8 is better at resource management than OSX?
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This is going to be a huge success for Microsoft. I predict Microsoft will sell thousands and thousands of these.
Specmanship Games
This is the typical specmanship games from Microsoft. I could care less about the specifications beyond storage capacity. Either it performs well, or it doesn't. The user experience is a combination of hardware and software working together.
Here we have an i5 processor, much more RAM and full operating system. I seriously doubt the battery life will be exceptional. Apple has been successful because they realize that different tools are needed for different jobs. If I need immediate access to information, I have the phone.
For heavier web-surfing, reading, and research, there is the iPad.
For graphic intensive applications and reporting, there is the laptop. The iPad 3 has never failed to respond almost instantaneously. Microsoft is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
This is the typical specmanship games from Microsoft. I could care less about the specifications beyond storage capacity. Either it performs well, or it doesn't. The user experience is a combination of hardware and software working together.
Here we have an i5 processor, much more RAM and full operating system. I seriously doubt the battery life will be exceptional. Apple has been successful because they realize that different tools are needed for different jobs. If I need immediate access to information, I have the phone.
For heavier web-surfing, reading, and research, there is the iPad.
For graphic intensive applications and reporting, there is the laptop. The iPad 3 has never failed to respond almost instantaneously. Microsoft is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.