Google strikes me as a more ethical company.
Google is not ethical. They only appear so because their products are, by and large, "free" to the general public, yet free they are not.
Apple makes their money from hardware and software sales. Google makes their money selling you.
Yeah, I do... Steve was doing what he could to do what was right. Palm wasn't playing ball. The agreement between the big companies wouldn't exist if it was wrong or unfair. And, did you even read the links that were served to you?
Google makes their money selling you.
Google is not ethical. They only appear so because their products are, by and large, "free" to the general public, yet free they are not.
Apple makes their money from hardware and software sales. Google makes their money selling you.
Yeah, I do... Steve was doing what he could to do what was right. Palm wasn't playing ball. The agreement between the big companies wouldn't exist if it was wrong or unfair. And, did you even read the links that were served to you?
Sorry but you can't defend this. Threatening legal action if they didn't agree to effectively break the law is not ok.
This is the side of Steve that showed his true personality. The personality we saw before he was fired. If he didn't get his way, he was an *******.
Regardless of how good he was at his job, this was a dick move on his part.
The way I see it, Apple is the biggest scum of them all. They make Samsung look like Mother Teresa. All Samsung is involved with is bribery of Korean politicians to get tax cuts and even more tax cuts, which doesn't really harm anyone. Apple's activities, on the other hand...
They are scum... you can read all about it....
http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3028/samsung-power-corruption-and-lies/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/b...ht-samsung.1.8210181.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aH3aDwXXnvqc
http://www.fastcompany.com/1627411/...amsung-says-exposé-former-s-korean-prosecutor
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-04/22/content_8029589.htm
Regardless of that, a whole lot of Silicon Valley companies (e.g.: just about all the big ones) are going to pay out on a class action lawsuit regarding these no-hire agreements. It extends way beyond Apple and Google.
Pirates of Silicone Valley. That's all I've got to say
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/
Um, what? How does that not harm anyone? What about, you know, the people of Korea? You think Apple's (not really, Apple, but rather Steve Jobs, and let's be honest, everyone already knew he could be a tremendous arse) bullying is worse than fraud and bribery?
That Apple's posturing and brinksmanship, which is no worse than things like hostile takeovers and is common in virtually every business sector, is worse than actual crimes perpetrated against the government and people of a sovereign nation? If you really want to get into it, Samsung's dirty history and criminal connections go a lot deeper than this...
The business world is populated by sociopaths. It's a cutthroat environment where typically, the best are the best because of their "do whatever it takes" mentality. This is true for pretty much everything, business, sports (*cough* Lance Armstrong), even (or I should say, especially) science and academia -- when it comes to being the top, you sometimes have to be a terrible person to get there (and stay there). Ed Colligan is really a rare role model in this respect, but he was on the losing end for sure.
It's one thing to criticize Apple for its corporate policy or its products or even its executives. I tend to agree with many of these critiques. But to suggest that then doing something, that while not very nice is very commonplace, is indicative of Apple being more "scum" than Samsung... well that's kind of ridiculous when Samsung's crimes are not only incomparable, they're indefensible.
Do you have those links saved in Word file or something? Ready to go at a moments notice?
Was just watching that a couple of hours ago!
What a legend. And he wasn't threatening Palm to make more money or be a jerk. He was making sure people like us would always have the best products available because the best people would be able to work on them. We should be grateful.
Both Samsung and Apple are scum, but here's the difference. Samsung's activities don't harm anyone or deprive anyone of their rights. Apple's does.
What a legend. And he wasn't threatening Palm to make more money or be a jerk. He was making sure people like us would always have the best products available because the best people would be able to work on them. We should be grateful.
Do you have those links saved in Word file or something? Ready to go at a moments notice?
Was just watching that a couple of hours ago!
Don't worry. Korea would be NOTHING without Samsung. In fact, the majority of the Korean people supported the previous President's decision to pardon Samsung's Head chief for tax evasion. So like I said, no harm done. The people of Korea have A LOT to thank for Samsung, and a little tax evasion is a very minor offense to them. Maybe it's a difference in culture between the US and Korea, since we seem to make a big deal when a Republican person evades taxes.
Also, LOL @ you thinking Samsung's crimes are "indefensible". At least Samsung doesn't try to enslave their employees and limit their rights. The only indefensible crime here is committed by Apple and their scum of a cult leader.
What a legend. And he wasn't threatening Palm to make more money or be a jerk. He was making sure people like us would always have the best products available because the best people would be able to work on them. We should be grateful.
See, here I mostly agree with you. They both have scum-like activities, but that's true of most companies. That doesn't justify it, of course, but when you weigh it all together, I really don't think Apple's behavior is worse than Samsung's.
This no-poaching agreement is NOT a company-wide thing. There was a very select 'no-call' list, so it likely only applied to important executives, high level employees, and key designers and engineers. While these individuals are hurt by being deprived of potential raises/promotions by recruitment, do you actually believe what Apple (and to be fair, we're singling out Apple here, but the other's in the agreement such as Google as equally culpable) did hurts people more than something like Samsung's LCD price fixing?
Just because someone was on the no-call list, that does not mean they necessarily were going to be recruited anyway. Again, I'm not saying this is okay behavior, but how many people do you think were even affected by this agreement? And of those, how many were substantially or materially damaged in a truly adverse manner?
Now consider how many people are harmed by something like LCD-price fixing? I'm amazed you think such behavior doesn't harm anyone; that harms every single person who bought a LCD-enabled device during that span (side note: I predict in 2-3 years, a judge is going to lay the banhammer on the hard drive price fixing fiasco happening right now). Bribing politicians for tax breaks, not unlike the disgusting lobbying that happens in US Congress, does harm the entire citizenry of a nation, at the benefit of the company, its execs, and its stockholders. The scale of their respective crimes, both douchey and scummy for sure, are just not even remotely comparable, let alone suggestive that Apple is more scum-like.
He was making sure people like us would always have the best products available because the best people would be able to work on them. We should be grateful.
So because an institution contributed to a country, it should be above the law? Apple accounts for a tremendous amount of the US tax revenue (something like 1/30 of total corporate revenue iirc). By your logic, certainly we should forgive them then for dicking over a handful of employees.
Again, you need to think in terms of absolute magnitude. A few dozen, maybe at most, a few hundred (though I doubt it's anywhere near this many), employees were denied unknown amounts of raise/promotion and an opportunity to be recruited elsewhere, from their current undoubtedly high-paying and cushy job. In the scale of things, this just isn't that big of a deal compared to defrauding the government to robbing millions of people by fixing the prices of LCDs that go into millions and millions of devices.
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My friend, blind fanboyism is NOT how to we argue logic against people who are clearly hating on Apple. Steve was being a dick. And that's part of what made him such a great CEO.