Apple Seeds Build 12D61 of OS X Beta 10.8.3 to Developers

ThomasJL said:

Mountain Lion might run amazing well for you, but for the majority of users, 10.7.5 is more stable and reliable than 10.8.0, 10.8.1, and 10.8.2. Yes, Lion does suck, and Mountain Lion has the potential to be better than Lion, but as of 10.8.2, Mountain Lion still has far more bugs than 10.7.5.



For your information, I own the latest 13" MacBook Pro, and it's maxed out with 16GB of Crucial-brand RAM.

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Having the latest system doesn't mean anything. I didn't say you had a low powered system, I said you need to work on your system. Probably stuff you have installed doesn't agree with ML.
I have 5 Macs in my house including my family that have Macs with ML. No issues. I'm on this forum quite a bit and I don't see many threads of any major issues with ML, in fact around the web ML has gotten very good reviews. Since you said the "Majority" are having problems with ML, I'm going to Macworld SF tomorrow and Friday. I will ask the major podcasters that are friends of mine and I'll ask the vendors there of their experience with ML.

HenryDJP said:

Having the latest system doesn't mean anything. I didn't say you had a low powered system, I said you need to work on your system. Probably stuff you have installed doesn't agree with ML.
I have 5 Macs in my house including my family that have Macs with ML. No issues. I'm on this forum quite a bit and I don't see many threads of any major issues with ML, in fact around the web ML has gotten very good reviews. Since you said the "Majority" are having problems with ML, I'm going to Macworld SF tomorrow and Friday. I will ask the major podcasters that are friends of mine and I'll ask the vendors there of their experience with ML.

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#powned. give us those stats when you round em up.

VMWare Fusion 5

I will say this - in December, I installed one of the 10.8.3 betas and tested it with VMWare fusion 5. Crashorama. Two-three crashes a day. *UGH*.

Had to reinstall and go back to 10.8.2

Ml

I have really found Mountain Lion 10.8.2 to have a ton of issues and regret upgrading from Lion (Upgraded 2 weeks ago.) I have steam for TF2 but other than that no unsupported apps. Starting right from login, issues like Audio Stuttering and Video lagging are occurring all the time. Makes things like browsing the internet, watching videos, and listening to music unbearable. Need 10.8.3 asap I heard it fixes all these issues.

b0fh said:

I will say this - in December, I installed one of the 10.8.3 betas and tested it with VMWare fusion 5. Crashorama. Two-three crashes a day. *UGH*.

Had to reinstall and go back to 10.8.2

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Fusion absolutely stinks. I switched to Parallels 8 and have never been happier.

Always nice to see a Safari update, but Apple has lost yet another user (me) to Chrome. I actually love everything about Safari except the lack of updates, Chrome & other browsers always seem to be ahead in terms of performance and memory usage.. Just got tired of waiting..

If they want more users using Safari they need to keep it updated frequently..

ThomasJL said:

As much as I want to ditch 10.7.5 Lion, I am hoping that Apple takes their sweet time with the 10.8.3 update. I don't care about new features since lack of bugs is most important thing for me.

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Since they're moving to an annual release cycle and based on how well that worked for Lion, I don't have much hope. With Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard, beta's required burning to a new DVD every other week for a fresh install. This is something then Senior VP of Software Engineering Bertrand Serlet insisted on to ensure a clean install for testing. Usually lasted 1 1/2 years with beta's every other week. It produced a solid OS X compared to Craig Federighi's work (and no, Bertrand was out in 2011 and had nothing to do with 10.7 Lion, which was introduced by Craig Federighi on stage in 2011's Lion announcement). There wasn't even a replacement for Bertrand in over a year until Craig Federighi was finally placed on Apple's board of directors as Senior V.P. for OS X Engineering in October 2012. Apple should return to a non-annual release cycle and release the OS X update when it's ready.

(before a certain someone drills into me again on this being opinion, do the research and you will learn these are facts based on events and quotes from Bertrand and others. I really do not wish to get into another ego contest, thanks )

PS Bring back Serlet!!!

From Apple:

Bertrand Serlet to Leave Apple

CUPERTINO, California—March 23, 2011—

Apple® today announced that Bertrand Serlet, Apple’s senior vice president of Mac® Software Engineering, will be leaving the company. Craig Federighi, Apple’s vice president of Mac Software Engineering, will assume Serlet’s responsibilities and report to Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. Federighi is responsible for the development of Mac OS® X and has been managing the Mac OS software engineering group for the past two years.

“I’ve worked with Steve for 22 years and have had an incredible time developing products at both NeXT and Apple, but at this point, I want to focus less on products and more on science,” said Bertrand Serlet, Apple’s senior vice president of Software Engineering. “Craig has done a great job managing the Mac OS team for the past two years, Lion is a great release and the transition should be seamless.”

Federighi worked at NeXT, followed by Apple, and then spent a decade at Ariba where he held several roles including vice president of Internet Services and chief technology officer. He returned to Apple in 2009 to lead Mac OS X engineering. Federighi holds a Master of Science degree in Computer Science and a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from the University of California, Berkeley.

Serlet joined Apple in 1997, and has been involved in the definition, development and creation of Mac OS X, the world’s most advanced operating system. Before joining Apple, Serlet spent four years at Xerox PARC, then joined NeXT in 1989. Serlet holds a doctorate in Computer Science from the University of Orsay, France.

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Craig joined in 2009, worked on Lion as Serlet departed in early 2011. Many in Cupertino whom I worked with have blamed Federighi for 10.7/8's less than stellar releases, ranging from WiFi issues, SAMBA and other networking protocols being rewritten and more difficult in working with other platforms that 10.6 had no issue with, iOS/Social Networking focus (he and Forestall worked together on OS X in many areas), a lack of OpenGL Core support 4.0+, "Mission Control" was his "baby" and on and on.

teknishn said:

This is just pure false. ML is far more stable, more secure, and faster than Lion by a wide margin. Frankly, I'm pretty shocked to hear anyone suggest otherwise. ML's vast superiority to Lion is pretty well documented fact by the vast majority.

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10.6> 10.8 >10.7 It's all relative

I'm excited, maybe this version will actually save my View Options in the Finder.

JohnMantooth said:

I'm excited, maybe this version will actually save my View Options in the Finder.

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I just tested that on my MBP and does save the view.

ThomasJL said:

I don't care about new features since lack of bugs is most important thing for me.

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Really, who cares about bug fixes and under the hood efficiency/speed improvements. REAL MEN WANT NEW SOCIAL MEDIA FEATURES!!!

I think I"ll give myself a thumbs down in advance. Oh wait, the forum is now PC, no down votes allowed. Everyone can only be a winner.

bedifferent said:

With Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard, beta's required burning to a new DVD every other week for a fresh install. This is something then Senior VP of Software Engineering Bertrand Serlet insisted on to ensure a clean install for testing.

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How on earth does having it on DVD guarantee a clean install?

hopefully there's updated nvidia drivers to fix the pixelmator crashes on MBPs

WilliamG said:

Fusion absolutely stinks. I switched to Parallels 8 and have never been happier.

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I have had the opposite experience.

monkeybagel said:

I have had the opposite experience.

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Interesting. I've found literally everything to be better about Parallels. First, it doesn't lock up my new, 2012 iMac. Second, the file transfer speeds and graphics ability are light years ahead with Parallels. Heck, even reviews found the same thing.

Curious as to why you're having trouble...

H2SO4 said:

How on earth does having it on DVD guarantee a clean install?

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Betas used to come on DVD. In order to install the beta you had to boot from the DVD and the installer would format the hard drive removing all files then do a clean install of the OS. They weren't updates. They were the complete OS .

I think they did that with all major point releases up to leopard or snow leopard.

Peace said:

Betas used to come on DVD. In order to install the beta you had to boot from the DVD and the installer would format the hard drive removing all files then do a clean install of the OS. They weren't updates. They were the complete OS .

I think they did that with all major point releases up to leopard or snow leopard.

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Isn't it just as important to beta test the upgrade process as most users will update - from 10.x and 10.x.x upgrades - instead of clean install the OS?

Put it this way.

A clean install is considered best practices when installing a new major point beta.

Some versions weren't upgrade compatible. You had to do a clean install.

Those were mostly the first release builds.

I remember a few years back that was the only way to get the betas. Mailed to you on DVD.

Yamcha said:

Always nice to see a Safari update, but Apple has lost yet another user (me) to Chrome. I actually love everything about Safari except the lack of updates, Chrome & other browsers always seem to be ahead in terms of performance and memory usage.. Just got tired of waiting..

If they want more users using Safari they need to keep it updated frequently..

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I have been using Chrome for some time (and still, do on a Windows machine), but noticed that Safari outperformed all other browsers in the IE Fich tank test on my 2011 MBP.
Where Chrome ended up with about 20 FPS, Safari ran about 40 FPS for the same test. When Safari got the omnibar, I dropped Chrome and went right back to Safari. Firefox was slow as hell and I never tried it agian

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SeattleMoose said:

Really, who cares about bug fixes and under the hood efficiency/speed improvements. REAL MEN WANT NEW SOCIAL MEDIA FEATURES!!!

I think I"ll give myself a thumbs down in advance. Oh wait, the forum is now PC, no down votes allowed. Everyone can only be a winner.

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I hope you're being sarcastic.......

MadMitch89 said:

Isn't it just as important to beta test the upgrade process as most users will update - from 10.x and 10.x.x upgrades - instead of clean install the OS?

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No. They should test the upgrade process of 10.x releases every now and then, so that updating gradually doesn't cause any issues. But developers who use and install betas know what they are doing, so Apple doesn't have to check and recheck if every beta incrementation upgrades successfully. So it's much easier for everyone if OS betas came as single disk install images with no upgrade option.

WilliamG said:

Fusion absolutely stinks. I switched to Parallels 8 and have never been happier.

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Doesn't stink here. Parallels is also ok, but Vmware is just so much simpler as an application. You still need to install paralleles with an installer which puts stuff all over the place. Vmware is a drag and drop app now which is great.

SeattleMoose said:

Really, who cares about bug fixes and under the hood efficiency/speed improvements. REAL MEN WANT NEW SOCIAL MEDIA FEATURES!!!

I think I"ll give myself a thumbs down in advance. Oh wait, the forum is now PC, no down votes allowed. Everyone can only be a winner.

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Go back to Windows crapware...! Only REAL SISSIES WANT SOCIAL MEDIA CRAP...! I wonder what other social media crap features do you want to see on 10.9 - Porntube build into NC...?

Twimfy said:

I was going to ask the same thing. Who in their right mind would stay on Lion? You either come to ML or go back to SL.

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I happen to agree. There are only 3 options.
Your Mac can run ML and you use it.
Your Mac can not run ML so you're still on SL (or forced to be stuck on L - either L, Leopard or Lion)
You are out of your mind and voluntarily choosing L (or SL when you can run ML).

teknishn said:

This is just pure false. ML is far more stable, more secure, and faster than Lion by a wide margin. Frankly, I'm pretty shocked to hear anyone suggest otherwise. ML's vast superiority to Lion is pretty well documented fact by the vast majority.

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I'm not shocked, mainly because people's opinions vary, and in this case, I found 10.7.4 more stable than 10.8.2

I would just like the AirPlay issues to be fixed. I often have to restart my Mac because AirPlay just decides it's going to stop working.

The issue with third party SSDs causing the color profile to switch with GPUs is annoying, too.

Oh, and making Photoshop be able to use OpenCL acceleration with a 6490M like it did in 10.7 would be great, too.

As of now, I'm planning on switching all my Creative Suite stuff to Windows because of this issue.