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Apple to Halt Mac Pro Sales in Europe Effective March 1 Over Regulatory Requirements
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The function needed here is that you can connect TB-monitor (like ATBD) to a TB socket. There's very clear need for this.
I wasn't talking about purchasing the Shake. Your quote tells nothing about axing it.
Wow, where did you got this info? Not straight from Apple?
Shake was axed because "hardly no-one was buying it"?
What is true here is that most professional corporate enviroments haven't adopted fcpX. And at the time of releasing fcpX that wouldn't been even possible.
After more than 2 months after FCS was axed, FCS returned silently to market. You could only buy it by phoning to Apple and Apple never released any info about the re-enter. Also you can't buy upgrade anymore, which most buyers would otherwise buy.
Nevertheless osXserver would have naturally sold more, if xServe would have also been on sale.
Apple has been selling software-only products all the time.
They could also sell osX to other machines especially when they don't sell machines, that many of us would like to buy.
Cook or Apple has not said that there will be a new MP. All that was said was that there will be something awesome to come.
Anyway launching fcpX the way they did, lead a lot of pros to abandon Apple. It just showed that Apple does not care. The fact that fcpX is now much better, does not change this. Still many people say that fcpX is not even today stable enough for professional environments. Axing FinalCutServer and Color was also a very big slap in the face of companies that had made big investments relying Apple's software.
For those few months after launching fcpX, nobody had any sign from Apple, that they really care about pros. Bringing FCS back for sale to corporate enviroments was just like giving some overtime for companies to get rid of Apple's software.
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I have a 2008 mac pro, dual 2.8ghz xeons that I have upgraded through the years with 16gb ram, a gtx285 and a 480gb ssd.
I use it for video and photo editing, and it still keeps up with the workload very well.
But the problem with apple is not just the 3 year neglect of the mac pro, but its complete change of focus as a company.
I was interested in a new mac pro for a while, but when I saw apple start to abandon the pro market, with FCPX, and no mac pro models in almost 3 years, I decided that they are no longer serious about their commitment and I would not invest more money in an unreliable vendor.
I was hoping that apple would focus on improving performance, making the hardware, software and the os use ram and cores fully, etc.
Instead we get a focus on making everything like ios. This is not the way to go to inspire confidence among users who need more capable computers.
I no longer trust apple to give a **** about my needs.
Thank you!
iPhone is iOS "flagship", but definitely not Apple´s main flagship, ´cause iOS devices could not even exist without the Mac.
Anyway, Apple should be ashamed of themselves leaving all the pro users hanging and making these silly iToys. I admit iPhone was great in 2008, but now it´s totally boring, I only use it for phone, text, email, Facebook basically. When I need to do anything else I want a powerful computer and OS X!!!
Um, yeah, I think I said the highest profile product above being one of the possibilities. That does not imply "success", however as I was refuting.
You wrote: "A flagship is always the highest profile (often luxury type status) and/or most powerful product offered".
That is simply not true. That is only the case if the company specifically makes their most powerful/luxurious product their most prominent one. If the company doesn't do that, their most high profile product is going to be the one that is naturally the most prominent; the most successful one.
That's the case with Apple and iPhone, although they seem to be pushing for making iPad their most high profile product now.
By that reasoning, the Apple I is the only flagship product Apple could ever have since no other Apple product would exist without it.
Your idea that a product can't be a flagship product if it was based on something else is simply wrong. The term "flagship product" doesn't consider history, only the current state of business.
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i think, that even in the absence of a new Mac Pro, business and education haven't swayed from adopting the iMac as its daily workhorse, which I have seen in countless workplaces and schools in recent times.
anyone with half a brain would have built a hackintosh already or a beast pc machine if they needed the power.
post-pc era ultimately means mobility. i think apple think that the technology will catch up to their demands when it comes to design and portability, rather than the other way round. they can just sit on the iMac for another 5 years and by then the chips inside that thing will be so crazy it wont matter anymore.
The only way i see a new Mac Pro coming along is if they completely reinvent the wheel somehow. They won't just bring out another tower.
If anything, I think they'll hold true to their values - which is the the idea of the 'hub of your digital life'.
A kind of mix between mac mini, time capsule, icloud, airport express and apple tv. airplay around the house. file sharing made easier. syncing. everything about that whole apple process made easier. Of course you could get the individual products, but this would be the big buck winner.
It doesn't even have to be the successor to the Mac Pro, and in fact it probably wont be. But I dont really see them doing a tower, it'll be something that has more to do with the current ecosystem.
anyone with half a brain would have built a hackintosh already or a beast pc machine if they needed the power.
post-pc era ultimately means mobility. i think apple think that the technology will catch up to their demands when it comes to design and portability, rather than the other way round. they can just sit on the iMac for another 5 years and by then the chips inside that thing will be so crazy it wont matter anymore.
The only way i see a new Mac Pro coming along is if they completely reinvent the wheel somehow. They won't just bring out another tower.
If anything, I think they'll hold true to their values - which is the the idea of the 'hub of your digital life'.
A kind of mix between mac mini, time capsule, icloud, airport express and apple tv. airplay around the house. file sharing made easier. syncing. everything about that whole apple process made easier. Of course you could get the individual products, but this would be the big buck winner.
It doesn't even have to be the successor to the Mac Pro, and in fact it probably wont be. But I dont really see them doing a tower, it'll be something that has more to do with the current ecosystem.
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Oh please. Having safety standards for consumer products is not communism.
And I'll take the EU's exemplary consumer protection laws over the "lube up and get ready to be laissez-faired by job creators" lobby-fest of the US.
Downloading Nvidia drivers you can use up to date Nvidia cards in the Mac Pro. Mac OSX has drivers written for ATI/AMD Graphics cards not advertised in the Apple store.
You can use off the shelve PC cards in the Mac Pro for a number of years now.
Yes. Real professionals use them, hence 'you' havent seen one in ages
No 'real' professionals use real workstations. Not outdated Apple stuff that doesn't even have a reduntant power supply.
Agree. I'm seeing iMacs and Minis in more and more locations, sometimes where I might have expected to see a Mac Pro.
No. No. No. I say this over and over again in various threads. Some of us do not want to have to spend the time doing the research, buying the parts, assembling, and testing a system. Having to wait before I can install a "critical" update because I don't know if the OS update will break something. Having to research every peripheral purchase to make sure it will work. Then dealing with multiple vendors for warranty work if something goes wrong. I *can* do all that - I have built numerous PCs in the past. I don't *want* to do that... I am a photographer... and meddling with the bits is no longer fun. It's aggravating and it means I am not working at my career, which I love.
Having an Apple made Mac Pro means that for 3 years I just drop it off at the store for repairs. It means I can call and talk to Apple about just about anything to do with the HW and the OS for three years, no charge to determine whether it is an OS or HW problem. If it's OS I reinstall. If it's HW I drop it off, and they can figure out which part went pfftt. Meanwhile I can continue taking photos.
(Emphasis added).... I agree. I think this tower is done.
I think that has been changing lately. Just read a good argument that now the Cloud is your hub. Not saying it's a good idea, but it was a compelling argument that that is what Apple is thinking.
"Real" professional? You either are a professional using a computer as a tool or you aren't. Real professionals are using home built PCs with consumer parts, iMacs, laptops, Mac Pros and everything in between. Only a few high-end workstation models from places like Super Micro have redundant power supplies.
Certainly not from the major vendors who make up the majority of sales. Dell, HP, Lenovo, Apple, AVA Direct, BOXX .. none of these offer redundant PSU options as far as I know.
I would like to see the sales data for MP in europe ... I know I have bought one early last year. Who gives a ship if they discontinue the tower.... Nobody is buying it anymore. My MP will last me another 2-3 years, since I have put a Geforce 670 in it. By the time i am going to buy another computer, a pro mac will probably be made, but it will still be risky to buy one. I cannot invest in mac environment for my colleagues and then be abandoned.... what is this?
... I know I have bought one early last year. Who gives a ship if they discontinue the tower.... Nobody is buying it anymore. My MP will last me another 2-3 years, since I have put a Geforce 670 in it. By the time i am going to buy another computer, a pro mac will probably be made, but it will still be risky to buy one. I cannot invest in mac environment for my colleagues and then be abandoned.... what is this?
Look at http://www.nvidia.com/page/partner_certified_drivers.html ....
To mix-and-match random "off the shelve" graphics cards with random driver downloads isn't the norm in the workstation market - when you run software packages that cost from about the price of the machine to many times more, you want the software partner to certify the drivers.
If they were to really discontinue the Mac Pro lineup, why do it in stages i.e. Europe, Asia, US etc? Surely thats asking for public bashing... you'd rather just do it the once and thats the end of it.
I guess it is genuinely down to the European laws and that there is some sort of replacement / refresh coming to the Mac Pros later down the line.
I guess it is genuinely down to the European laws and that there is some sort of replacement / refresh coming to the Mac Pros later down the line.
Yes, those of us who work for a living, sitting in front of computer screens all daycreative professionals. My US-based company bought a bunch last year. Now, the rumors have us afraid to do anything, as we wait to see what Tim & company have come up with.
We too are afraid the 2013 MacPro will lack most of the professional features which are required for real work (PCIe, Firewire 800, internal hard drives, upgradeable RAM, upgradeable graphics cards).
Why does no one else seem to know this? According to Wikipedia, killmoms is correct. Rumor-mongers have many convinced at this point that cheap consumer computers are all that Apple will produce from now on, with Thunderbolt as the interface to outboard boxes of professional gear. Apple will have to have something up its sleeve if it eliminates PCIe.
I've noticed in the last couple of years that the Dell and Lenovo workstations and desktops that I buy have a grille
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on the internal side of the fans.
I thought that this was cool, because it eliminated the odd problem where an internal cable would move and touch the fan blades - creating quite a terrible racket.
Now, it seems likely that the other companies added 50¢ grilles to the fans on their $500 systems to meet the EU regulations - but that Apple couldn't afford the margin hit to do the same with their $2500 systems.
We're not talking about re-engineering the system here - it's a trivial, obvious fix.
Okay, let's forget what the word "flagship" means for a moment and think about this. If you were Apple, and you had to remove one of the following products from your lineup, which would you choose?
I'm not sure anyone rational would pick any product except the Mac Pro. It's a niche product and Apple's lowest selling machine, with a very low market penetration in the workstation market.
I know it sucks if it's the type of machine that suits your needs, but Apple just isn't interested in you anymore. I wouldn't be either if I knew I could sell 1,000,000 iPhones for every Mac Pro sold. You're not important in the market anymore.
- iPhone
- iPad
- iMac
- Mac Mini
- MacBook Pro
- Mac Pro
I'm not sure anyone rational would pick any product except the Mac Pro. It's a niche product and Apple's lowest selling machine, with a very low market penetration in the workstation market.
I know it sucks if it's the type of machine that suits your needs, but Apple just isn't interested in you anymore. I wouldn't be either if I knew I could sell 1,000,000 iPhones for every Mac Pro sold. You're not important in the market anymore.
Sorry, but most prominent <> flagship. Again, Toyota's flagship is not the freaking Camry, Corolla or even the Prius (despite them being the most prominent Toyotas on the road these days in that order). Toyota's flagship is the AVALON. Do a search on Google. It'll come right up. It's the flagship because it's the most luxurious highest profile car they make under the Toyota brand label. Prominence has NOTHING to do with it or the Camry would be the flagship.
Thus, Apple's flagship MAC would have to be either the top of the line iMac or Mac Pro these days (debatable since Apple has virtually abandoned the Mac Pro and it's losing power by the minute; if they update the Mac Pro properly, it will certainly be the flagship once again). It doesn't have to be prominent, popular or well advertised. It simply has to be the highest standard top of the line product in its category.
I agree 100%. Apple is beyond contempt in this regard. There is simply no excuse for their lack of caring to the point where they not only let the machine go out of date, refuse to do a 50 cent safety fix, but they don't even lower prices to match the loss of value of the machine from all the years of no updates. Anyone selling a single product in this manner would go OUT OF BUSINESS in short order. Apple is proving again and again they SIMPLY DON'T CARE about the Pro markets anymore.
I'd choose the iMac. I don't like the idea of it at all. Shoving a computer into the back of a monitor compromises the entire design integrity of the system and the newest iMac makes this more obvious than ever. You often can't use desktop parts due to lack of space and heat distribution. Upgradeability is fatally compromised both in terms of upgrading existing parts and adding new ones.
The entire idea of the iMac is to get rid of desktop clutter, but to back it up (short of buying a Time Capsule and putting it out of the way somewhere), you have to plug in external junk and clutter up your desk anyway (whereas many computer desks have a nice space in them dedicated for a tower and a good sized tower can house many hard drives, cards, etc. and therefore take up NO DESKTOP SPACE. The iMac has a real problem if the monitor fails as well since you can't just plug in a new one and continue on your way. You have to fix it at some point and that's a PITA.
The biggest problem with the Mac Pro is that it's just a workstation level computer. They could easily expand the line into the consumer level tower arena and offer a sub-$2k machine for things like gaming, etc. with support for SLI and high-end graphics cards at a competitive price to the iMac. But they don't because Steve wanted to push his "neat and thin" concept onto people whether they liked it or not. The problem is that such a design CANNOT function as a reasonable graphics platform where more performance is needed (whether for real-time Pro 3D apps or gaming). Apple has continually ignored this market segment and fan boys have continually spouted that no one games on a Mac (both untrue and a chicken/egg scenario since a lack of gaming hardware discourages gaming development/ports).
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Apple's lost its soul
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(click to enlarge)Now it's all MBA Tim and the bean counters, and the sheep bleat along....
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I dunno. Steve Jobs personally picked Tim Cook to take over Apple. If he's just a bean counter, why did Steve pick him? Frankly, I think Apple lost its soul long before that point. Steve became more and more disconnected with average computer users and more and more obsessed with the iPhone/iPad. He simply didn't CARE about Macs and especially Mac Pros anymore. Tim thinks the same way. Just look at his comments about hardly ever using a Mac anymore, just his iPad.
I've said for a long time now they need someone to head up the Mac division that CARES about it and make it a priority and largely separate from the people that work on iOS so they don't keep getting put on the back burner when something comes up. Apple has more than enough cash to hire enough programmers to get the job done. And now that Steve is gone, the paranoia can perhaps be dialed down a few notches to where it's reasonable to hire more people rather than being paranoid about every single person they interview.
Personally, I'm not an Apple investor. I don't need them to be innovative. I just want them to stay UP TO DATE in their hardware and software offerings. That means good GPUs in some models and adding things like OpenGL 4.x and perhaps overhauling the Finder (e.g. XtraFinder just freaking ROCKS by comparison and it's a modfication of the existing Finder. If one guy in his spare time can improve the Finder for FREE, WTF is Apple's excuse???)
Agree - I didn't mean to imply that Cook's arrival caused the loss of soul. Apple lost its soul while Jobs was here.
But "thinking differently" is certainly gone from the Apple cult(ure) - just look back at the firestorm of negative comments when the rumours that the Iphone V would have a screen bigger than 3.5" appeared. And look at all of the hateful comments when photos of Iphone V parts with a 4" screen appeared.... Look at the comments about a possible 5" Iphone....
Or a 7" Ipad....
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Apple has inspired worshippers/feverish cultist types for lack of a better way of putting it (typically called "fanboys") and that means that whatever Apple says is gospel. They don't think for themselves. They just push the Apple agenda as they understand it. That's a radical departure from the old days when Amiga fans liked Amigas because they were cool for media and Mac fans liked Macs because they were GUI when MSDos was just a command line. It's now the Cult of Steve (or maybe Cult of Apple now that he's gone) and they might even be a minority of users, but they're very vocal and that makes it seem like they're everywhere.
I wanted a smaller pad and a larger iPod Touch years ago and you're right, they thumped all over that suggestion. Now that Apple offers EXACTLY THAT, it's the best idea since sliced bread....