Maybe yeah. Sorry about that. Anyway, I appreciate your responses and apologize if I came across as offensive.
Let me inquire about this: do you know for a fact that IPS technology increases the weight.
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Why does Apple not give us a decent display option on the Air?
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Maybe yeah. Sorry about that. Anyway, I appreciate your responses and apologize if I came across as offensive.
Let me inquire about this: do you know for a fact that IPS technology increases the weight.
Thanks.
IPS DOES eat up more battery. Read more about it here http://www.pctechguide.com/flat-panel-displays/ips-in-plane-switching-lcd-monitors
The reason the iPhone and iPad can have it is because they are essentially giant batteries with tiny logic boards attached to them. The rMBP can have it because instead of a wedge, it has more battery. People are already whining about the lack of battery life in the airs.
Apple would have to pick - ips but heavier and thicker To accommodate a larger battery or no ips. They chose the latter.
The problem with having a retina display iPad is that nothing looks good anymoreThat doesn't mean it is all bad or not "decent."
Yeah...and my current problem with having received a new RMBP is that its display is just as good as that if the iPad 3, and makes reading and viewing graphics on the Air even more unsatisfying than before. That said, the Pro is just so much heavier.
My optimal laptop would be the 13.3" Air with a 14" IPS panel with 1650x1080 resolution fit in the same form factor (decreasing the humongous bezel size a little bit). From everything I have read about iPS, this could be done without additional power consumption, the only additional draw from the display coming from the slightly larger display size in that case. I would pay $3k for this laptop personally.
Part of the reason for Apple's omission might that they still have lots of execs from the old days where their pro line laptops were mostly used by professionals needing similar computing power as a desktop machine. The fact today is that many people use these things for less demanding computing tasks, but still read and view documents and would like to do so in the best way possible. Apple doesn't seem to realize this.
I wouldn't. I bought the 2012 Air because it is inexpensive, well-designed, and a safe bet. I have no interest in spending more money for it, and even though competitors are coming out with IPS, QC remains to be seen. I trust Apple to tread carefully between innovation and proven performance. They usually do a great job of mixing the two.
Speaking as an Android and Windows user, the level of constant irritation I have had to put up with (mainly from poor software / hardware integration) is enough to make me quite pleased that I can use Apple products that work, and work well. When they can do that with IPS, more power to them!
Uh...
Why do people keep expecting the Airs to have the same overall specs as rMBPs, but at a smaller form factor, lighter weight and compatible battery life?
Airs are about portability, which requires it to be small, with great battery life. The LAST thing I'd want is a screen that cuts from the barely four hours I'm getting now.
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You are in a very small minority willing to pay $3k for a laptop, let alone $3k for what is essentially an ultrabook.
Why do people keep expecting the Airs to have the same overall specs as rMBPs, but at a smaller form factor, lighter weight and compatible battery life?
Airs are about portability, which requires it to be small, with great battery life. The LAST thing I'd want is a screen that cuts from the barely four hours I'm getting now.
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You are in a very small minority willing to pay $3k for a laptop, let alone $3k for what is essentially an ultrabook.
Absolutely right. I never hear the fans on my 11" Air, because I don't work it that hard. I'd love it if the screen was sharp enough to display text as well as my iPad 3!
The reason that Apple hasn't updated the screen yet is because of practical limits in resolution. You can shove a 1080p screen in an 11" Macbook Air, but the UI, etc. will be pretty small. They are aiming for retina eventually because it overcomes the scaling issues and is optimal in most respects. As for the IPS/PLS screen, they generally require more power. The screen on the Air is nothing to sneeze at, though I can sympathize with the viewing angles. My guess is that they'll see the screen updated within the next one or two generations.
I guess the reason it keeps entering my head is because I would like the screen I see on the 13.3" rMBP, but on the Air. I was looking at them side-by-side today at Fry's and it certainly seems like the LCD portion of the chassis could handle it on the Air.
But I haven't been considering battery life and that is an excellent point. Apple tech specs list 7 hours of wireless web for both the Air and the 13.3" rMBP. I have no idea what the power consumption difference is between the current 13.3" Air screen and the 13.3" Retina. That would be an interesting fact to find out.
5 hours of battery with a Retina screen would be fine with me.
The weight difference between the two machines is .61. It isn't a huge difference.
It will be interesting to see what Apple does. No pressure.
No, I don't think the 2013 Airs will have retina. 2014, maybe, 2013? Unlikely.
It would be nice if they gave us an IPS display...but honestly, I expect modest bumps and haswell, that's it. Maybe they'll give us a dedicated HDMI? Actually, what I would really like is if they gave us a better keyboard...
For what it's worth, I don't think the Air screen is as bad as some of you guys are making it out to be. It's not an IPS, but it's decent for what it is.
It would be nice if they gave us an IPS display...but honestly, I expect modest bumps and haswell, that's it. Maybe they'll give us a dedicated HDMI? Actually, what I would really like is if they gave us a better keyboard...
For what it's worth, I don't think the Air screen is as bad as some of you guys are making it out to be. It's not an IPS, but it's decent for what it is.
I think the display is actually decent, and considering the form factor the machine also has decent battery life.
Unless battery technology goes warp speed this week, I doubt we'll see Retina on the Airs any time soon.
Also good calls on apple differentiating the product lines. Very true.
I have an Air 4,2 Core i7 1.8Ghz (2677M) with 4GB of RAM, and 256SSD. The display is quite good, but it sucks up a lot of battery power when playing 1080p video. I figure 3-4 hours of casual use. 5 hours ? Unless you are doing nothing but checking the clock, and have every feature turned off.
I won't upgrade this until the Core i9, 16GB RAM and Terabyte SSD options are available.
Unless battery technology goes warp speed this week, I doubt we'll see Retina on the Airs any time soon.
Also good calls on apple differentiating the product lines. Very true.
I have an Air 4,2 Core i7 1.8Ghz (2677M) with 4GB of RAM, and 256SSD. The display is quite good, but it sucks up a lot of battery power when playing 1080p video. I figure 3-4 hours of casual use. 5 hours ? Unless you are doing nothing but checking the clock, and have every feature turned off.
I won't upgrade this until the Core i9, 16GB RAM and Terabyte SSD options are available.
Well...
Resolution is not problem free - something which is apparent to anyone working with visually challenged (such as people past their 40's and 50's), because as you add resolution to a screen of the same size, pixels become smaller and most graphical elements (e.g. web pages) follow suit. The retina way (multiplying pixels) is one potential solution, but outside of the optimal multiples (1:1 and 4:1) it has its problems (something well documented online).
IMHO, (and I am 35 and carry glasses) the 1280X800 of the 13" pro is not optimal and the 1440X900 of the 13" Air is better. My mother (68) disagrees.
So, following the limiting options scheme - Apple's current M.O. - I'd smell problems in cramming more pixels onto a 13" screen.
On the IPS/non-IPS issue, there are many bad IPS panels out there, and some very good non-IPS panels as well.
I trust Anand...
Anandtech said:
RGDS,