Android is a complement to Google's online services, which has failed to successfully monetize at all.
Any source for that?
Android is a complement to Google's online services, which has failed to successfully monetize at all.
Yap, you quote an article that, like you, doesn't provide a single figure for Google.
His credibility grows a lot when he says that Android is losing market share and when he praises Nokia and Apple being long in AAPL and MSFT
The guy's points are valid.
It's a quality OS but with no clear monetization strategy or reason for existing. It was unnecessary for Google to develop it to monetize off mobile in the first place
So.. you've explained $350 million out of $1.8 billion in losses over two years.
Maybe. But you still haven't provided any evidence to support your claim.
And neither of those claims changes the fact that your claim that "Apple was already near to bankrupt when it started to allow for Mac clones" was completely false.
You obviously didn’t read my comment, but only glanced.
That $350 million made 97’s number look worse than 96’s, but in fact Apple’s situation was already turning around later in that year. There were actually a lot of non-usual expenses in 1997, related to a list of personnel changes.
If you doubt it, you can sure go dig the numbers.
It depends on how you understand the word “near”. Sliding down from a high hill at a uncontrollable speed can be regarded as already near to death, but it seems that you don’t agree with this definition. I guess in your mind, even falling off a 5-story building cannot be defined as “near to death”, instead you would say, “you can only claim that after you see how bad he gets hurt hitting the ground”.
Android already has triple the market share of iOS... yet developers make the vast majority of their profit from iOS.
That tells me that Android's phenomenal market share doesn't translate into app sales dollars.
Both platforms are still gaining customers at the moment. The disadvantage of Android is there are a crap-ton of cheap $80 Android phones being sold in China and India... to people who probably won't spend money on apps or who don't have a credit card.
All those phones being pumped into the market makes Android's market share go up... but it's not guaranteed to do anything else.
It's already 70% Android phones... 20% iPhones... and 10% other.
Seriously... look at those numbers. If you make an iPhone app... only 20% of the world's smartphone market can use that app... completely ignoring the other 80% of the market.
Yet developers are doing exactly that... because iPhone users actually spend money.
It doesn't look like it will matter if there are more Android phones and fewer iPhones.... because iPhone users are still the more valuable customers.
I don't predict developers to "discontinue" iOS development anytime soon (if at all)
I dont predict that to happen any time soon, either. I am talking about a trend and a likely result of that trend. With the current trend, Android is having the 85%+ commanding share in 3 years.
Then, 5 years from now, a lot of stuff (apps, web sites, or whatever new things common at that time) will be Android only. At last, 8 years from now, many developers will start to discontinue their iOS support.
I dont predict that to happen any time soon, either. I am talking about a trend and a likely result of that trend. With the current trend, Android is having the 85%+ commanding share in 3 years. Then, 5 years from now, a lot of stuff (apps, web sites, or whatever new things common at that time) will be Android only. At last, 8 years from now, many developers will start to discontinue their iOS support.
Sure, iOS still gets a good developer support at present, partly because they might still earn more money on iOS than on Android, but also because a lot of them started their development before Android got the lion of share. Dont forget the factor of inertia.
No, the guy's points are not valid since he is wrong saying that Android market share is shrinking and his points are not valid since he doesn't provide a single figure.
Android existence has the same reasons that Apple Maps existence, not being at the expenses of their competitors.
I see plenty of numbers there, along with charts and sources. The only thing that's not shown is simulation data because their simulations are proprietary. Let me summarize for you.
His point on marketshare is that new phone Android marketshare has shrunk from 2011 EOY to 2012 EOY. Which it did. He's not talking about mobile or tablet or phone as a whole, just the premium phone space occupied by brands like the Galaxy 3 for that year
The only thing Apple Maps and Android have in common is they're product complements that failed at what they were supposed to do.
Android has not given Google leverage over competitors. Instead it's given competitors leverage over Google. Examples?
- Enabling Samsung to dominate the smartphone market to the point Google now has to put out that X phone to challenge Samsung's power
- Giving Microsoft a steady revenue stream through patent licensing
- Enabling Amazon to become a solid player in the tablet market while totally removing Google's profit layer
- Giving Baidu a tool to challenge Google in the Chinese mobile ad space
- Forcing Google to put down 12 billion for Motorola to curb that mobile patent landslide and enter the hardware market because Android OEM's are now gaining leverage
Can show a single factual number for Android?
Here's a number from early 2012.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/29/google-earns-more-iphone-android
$550 million in revenue for Google from Android in the first 3.5 years. I'm pretty sure their expenses are slightly more than that.
Here's a number from early 2012.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/29/google-earns-more-iphone-android
$550 million in revenue for Google from Android in the first 3.5 years. I'm pretty sure their expenses are slightly more than that.
(I'm guessing from your rant that you didn't bother to register for Seeking Alpha in order to see the rest of the article that included lots of numbers.)
Please, at least you can link an original article and not one debunked.
You guessed wrong, but I will he glad if you can link to one of those numbers.
Please, at least you can link an original article and not one debunked.
You guessed wrong, but I will he glad if you can link to one of those numbers.
As much as you demand sources and numbers, you don't seem to feel the need to present any yourself. I've never seen any numbers that suggest that Android has been profitable for Google. Have you?
You want me to link to a number in an article that was already linked to? If you read it, wouldn't you see them yourself?
Here's a quote that Liquorpuki referenced that you dismissed without evidence or understanding:
Source that it was debunked? Making stuff up again? Let me guess you're going to ask me to prove it wasn't debunked right?
I understood your comment just fine. Coincidentally, I'm sure, mid-1997 is when they canceled the clone program.
I did look up numbers and posted them here. You have provided no evidence to support your claim.
The only two years in the 90s (ever?) that Apple lost money were the two years that they allowed Mac clones.
Increasing profits is not "near" bankrupt by any understanding of the word.
Then it is clear that you don't get it
That report from The Guardian has been debunked multiple times in this forum, and you know it. I don't know why you put it another time
You are the ones claiming without doubt that it is not profitable. Can you back your claims yes or not?
I want that you link just a number about Android revenues, can you give just one or do you just have vague estimates? It is a simple yes or not answer
"Higher end Android phones, like the Samsung Galaxy S3, ship in a volume similar to Apple's iPhone 4s. Last quarter reports show 18m Galaxy S3s were sold versus 16.4m iPhone 4s's. Certainly not more than double the number of iOS numbers. It is the low-end phones that give Android 60% plus installed market share. Recent estimates show Android's share of new phones at just under 40% in 2012, compared to over 50% in 2011."
This link is a report about add impressions for ONE ad company, it doesn't have to do anything about smartphones marketshare.
Perhaps the ones that don't understand are all of you. That seekingalpha report claimed that Android SMARTPHONE marketshare shrunk and this is totally false.
Alas, you don't seem to understand what "superficial" means.
For a company of Apple's size, that level of profit fluctuation means nothing for real. There are so many different things changed for Apple in those years, and you keep trying to connect one single thing with the overall result. "dig" means to have you analyze the detail data.
Actually, to let you understand your error, there is one thing easier you can do, just find out how many clones there had ever been produced and sold during that period of time, then you will know they could not possibly make that big difference in effect as you wished."