Android and iOS Continue to Dominate Smartphone Market as Windows Phone Shows Signs of Life

I don't follow this stuff at all, the trend of smartphones and stuff. But what phone comes with Linux??

I still remember when the iPhone 'only sold 4-6 million units' in a quarter. And now, Windows Phone sales are considered disappointing with 'only 7 million sold units' in one single quarter.

I think they are doing great - and I believe that it is unreasonable to expect that a company goes from selling 3 million units to 30 million units a quarter. Going from 3 million to 7 million, like Windows Phone, year-over-year is a great accomplishment.

palmerc2 said:

I don't follow this stuff at all, the trend of smartphones and stuff. But what phone comes with Linux??

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I'm only on day two with this, but so far it's rather compelling.


http://www.ubuntu.com/phone

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ThatsMeRight said:

I still remember when the iPhone 'only sold 4-6 million units' in a quarter. And now, Windows Phone sales are considered disappointing with 'only 7 million sold units' in one single quarter.

I think they are doing great - and I believe that it is unreasonable to expect that a company goes from selling 3 million units to 30 million units a quarter. Going from 3 million to 7 million, like Windows Phone, year-over-year is a great accomplishment.

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Well said!

Wut iz dis Windows fone dey talk bout?

ThatsMeRight said:

I still remember when the iPhone 'only sold 4-6 million units' in a quarter. And now, Windows Phone sales are considered disappointing with 'only 7 million sold units' in one single quarter.

I think they are doing great - and I believe that it is unreasonable to expect that a company goes from selling 3 million units to 30 million units a quarter. Going from 3 million to 7 million, like Windows Phone, year-over-year is a great accomplishment.

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When the iPhone sold 4 to 6 million units.. it was 2007/2008 smartphones were a new thing, the overall market of people buying smartphones by comparison was very small so Apple's 4 to 6 million units was probably 80 to 90% of the total market. M$ is just so late to the game with a smarphone people look at 7m as disappointing against the 200 million overall smartphones sold.

Timing is everything.

The way I see this chart,it's Android that's dominating...

The market share difference between MS and Apple shrunk by 7% Y/Y... If both companies repeat their performance for the next two years, MS will overtake Apple.

Of course, Android is still crushing all.

Seems odd... Whenever I look around myself it seems Apple is at 70-90% and Android is everything else (so 30-10%.)

Evidently my view of the world is narrow, as the numbers are reverse that.

bossxii said:

..... it was 2007/2008 smartphones were a new thing, the overall market of people buying smartphones by comparison was very small so Apple's 4 to 6 million units was probably 80 to 90% of the total market. ...

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Only if you consider the smartphone market by today's definition. But if you look at RIM sales (for example) in 2007/08, it was much higher (10 million?). And of course there were other 'connected' devices as well (Treo, Nokia, etc).

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iOS and Android dominating the market? I would say more like Android dominates the market, and apple only has 17%... not much domination by any standard.

With iOS' 6.8% year over year growth and Androids 79.5%, I find hard to agree that iOS is "dominating" the market.

I know that personal experience is anecdotal, but I find it very hard to accept those numbers. Everywhere I look in the DC area, it's iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, with a few random Androids (and even then it's not "popular" models like the S3). I've literally seen three Windows phones outside of a cell phone store, but they're supposedly selling one Windows phone for every five iPhones? Are these numbers completely bogus, or do Android users just keep their phones tucked tightly away? Why aren't app revenues shifting between iOS and Android if the market share is shifting that much?

What most people don't realize is that there is only 1 manufacturer of iOS devices - Apple.

There are hundreds of manufacturers of Android capable devices.

You can't compare the output of 1 manufacturer to the output of combining 100's of manufacturers. Doesn't lend itself to a even comparison.

That said I'm very impressed with where Apple is from a manufacturing stand point. Year over year they have demonstrated that they can continue to ship more units (through more efficient manufacturing methods or strategic retail alignments). Impressive.

Don't forget that only 25% of Android phones are running the latest firmware (Jellybean).

Assuming the Android phones running Jellybean are the fastest, flagship Android phones (ie the real competitors to the iPhone and not the cheapy low end ones), there's not much between that and iOS at all.


I know my logic is probably flawed somewhere here, but it's just something to keep in mind when looking at OS marketshare.

ElTorro said:

The way I see this chart,it's Android that's dominating...

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I think OS marketshare still doesn't matter that much to Apple.

Let's take this pumpkin pie.

Apple gets a slice that is 17% of the pie. Pretty big slice. Then there a few slivers that go to other people. Then 74% goes to Android manufacturers.

That means Motorola, Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony, Huawei, ZTE, Kyocera, Oppo, Lenovo... and countless other Chinese manufacturers... have to share 74% of that pie.

Seems like Apple is eating the best here.

Not to mention that all of Apple's phones come at a premium price which net's them higher profit margin than most others. A huge chunk of Android market share can be attributed to low end smartphones sold in emerging markets. India and China come to mind. Also... most of that 74% is running older Android software... Gingerbread, ICS... etc.

GoldenJoe said:

I know that personal experience is anecdotal, but I find it very hard to accept those numbers. Everywhere I look in the DC area, it's iPhone, iPhone, iPhone, with a few random Androids (and even then it's not "popular" models like the S3). I've literally seen three Windows phones outside of a cell phone store, but they're supposedly selling one Windows phone for every five iPhones? Are these numbers completely bogus, or do Android users just keep their phones tucked tightly away? Why aren't app revenues shifting between iOS and Android if the market share is shifting that much?

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Could just be the population segment. I'm in DC as well and that's all I see. DC is a major city. People who live here do have some financial means of supporting themselves.
This trend may not be the same among those who don't have the financial means to drop $200+ $80/month on an iPhone - the remaining 67%.

I know I am oblivious to the fact that not everyone is going to buy an iPhone or the Samsung S4 - not everyone has that kind of expendable funds.

Sora said:

That said I'm very impressed with where Apple is from a manufacturing stand point. Year over year they have demonstrated that they can continue to ship more units (through more efficient manufacturing methods or strategic retail alignments). Impressive.

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Actually, yeah, that's probably the case for a ton of Android users. There's a huge segment of the market that gets free Android devices, use it like a feature phone, never download an app or surf, and still get counted for market share.

ArtOfWarfare said:

The market share difference between MS and Apple shrunk by 7% Y/Y... If both companies repeat their performance for the next two years, MS will overtake Apple.

Of course, Android is still crushing all.

Seems odd... Whenever I look around myself it seems Apple is at 70-90% and Android is everything else (so 30-10%.)

Evidently my view of the world is narrow, as the numbers are reverse that.

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Those are not market share, they're shipments made within a quarter.

For Windows Phone to surpass iOS in actual market share, they would first have to ship more per quarter (which they aren't close to do) and maintain it for years until it compensates for all iPhone users that still have an iPhone they bought when iOS was more popular than Windows Phone.

Honestly I doubt WP will ever surpass iOS.
Some analysts do (or did) however: Gartner, IDC, Pyramid Research, IHS iSuppli.

As for your observations, keep in mind that those are Worldwide shipment numbers. Emerging countries like China and India are buying more and more budget Android phones instead of dumbphones and Apple has no competitive offering unlike pretty much all other manufacturers. I wouldn't worry too much about it however, as those cheap smartphones usually have razor-thin margins and those subsidized iPhone sales in the U.S. generate a lot, lot more profits.

An iPhone that generates 30x as much profits as a dumbphone-replacement $50-100 (unsubsidized) "smartphone" is a lot more desirable for a company, yet a chart like this wouldn't make any distinction.

AEMV said:

iOS and Android dominating the market? I would say more like Android dominates the market, and apple only has 17%... not much domination by any standard.

With iOS' 6.8% year over year growth and Androids 79.5%, I find hard to agree that iOS is "dominating" the market.

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What corporation are making the lion's share of the profits?

iOS is dominating.

the way I interpret the data... Apple still grew 6.6%, but the market grew at 41.6%, meaning that Apple's product is not in the high growth segment of the market (the premium market is slowing comparatively). Which reinforces they are coming out with a product to address the high growth segment (likely the mid market)... I do not believe is necessary an iOS 7 thing.

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MacRumors said:

IDC suggests the launch of BB10 may bolster BlackBerry's numbers going forward

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Nothing can save BlackBerry at this point.

Elbon said:

Nothing can save BlackBerry at this point.

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Stranger things have happened. Remember Apple, circa 1996? They were 2 weeks away from going bankrupt.

Windows phone

I was going to give the Windows phone a try, but it doesn't have like 95% of the Apps that I like on my iPhone. Once it has more apps I'll check it out.

ThatsMeRight said:

I still remember when the iPhone 'only sold 4-6 million units' in a quarter. And now, Windows Phone sales are considered disappointing with 'only 7 million sold units' in one single quarter.

I think they are doing great - and I believe that it is unreasonable to expect that a company goes from selling 3 million units to 30 million units a quarter. Going from 3 million to 7 million, like Windows Phone, year-over-year is a great accomplishment.

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You know I really want to agree with you... But I just can't. For the following reasons...

1) Windows Phone has been out for just over 2 and a half years (and Microsoft has been making phone software for over 10 years). How much longer are we going to cut them a break? Just because their sales were amazingly crappy over the first year and a half, should we give them huge credit because now their sales are only pretty crappy?

2) iOS only has one manufacturer. And only has 3 models available (actually only had 2 models at the timeframe you are referencing). Windows Phone has one HUGE partner in Nokia (who used to be far and away the largest smartphone maker) and has several other manufacturers as well. They make a huge slew of products at all kinds of price ranges

3) The Quarter the iPhone 3GS released so the iPhone had been around for just 2 years (less time than Windows Phone has now), Apple sold 7.9 iPhones. That's right. Apple sold more smartphones in less time with 2 models. In fact, just for fun I decided to look a year earlier... With ONE model, and ONE year on market, the SOLD (not shipped) 6.9 million iPhones with extremely constrained supply.

4) The smartphone market is MASSIVE now, and Microsoft still only managed to SHIP (not sell) 7 Million? Over 200 million smartphones sold this quarter... When Apple was selling 7 million the smartphone market was less than a quarter this size...

Since when Android is not based on Linux? That's so misleading

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palmerc2 said:

I don't follow this stuff at all, the trend of smartphones and stuff. But what phone comes with Linux??

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I think it means Ubuntu Linux. Android is also Linux and iOS is BSD