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Apple and Sony 'iRadio' Negotiations Stalling Over Skipped Songs
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And most of them are iOS users. If Apple launches a service that does that poorly, it will be an embarrassment.
It's true about having to pay royalties when you use a song in a movie or commercial, even if it isn't played in its whole, of course. However, if your logic was universal, Apple also would have to pay money to Sony etc. every time I listen to the sound snippets in the iTunes store ... The difference is that it completely fulfills its purpose as a snipped in the movie, advertisement etc. and therefore needs to be payed. However, if somebody skips a song in iRadio within the first seconds, the user really gained no use out of it.
As has already been pointed out, Google's service is a paid one, Apple's looks like it will probably be free. The two have very different terms for the record labels.
That's what I said.
Using a free version of Spotify on a mobile device, what's the advantage of Spotify?
But that's only with the paid version, right? At least on a mobile device. And others have pointed out that there's no free version for iOS devices, is that right?
That's what the rumors keep saying. If it wasn't free, they wouldn't be talking about revenue from ads.
That's not the plan. Apple's plan is that you can skip songs as much as you like. Sony's plan is that you can skip songs as much as you like, but Apple pays for the full song even if you skipped after five seconds. Apple's plan is that they pay for the full song if you listen to the full song, but that they don't pay for the full song if you skip after five songs.
Not allowing you to skip songs is stupid. Apple paying for a full song when you skip after five seconds is also stupid. Sony not agreeing and being the only one left out from the deal _without getting any money_ is also stupid.
You don't really KNOW what the entire plan is. Do you?
Also - I don't believe the other labels have agreed to what YOU are suggesting. It's about costs (how much) not whether Apple should pay for 5 seconds vs a full song.
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Rumors are just that - rumors. And there's nothing saying Apple won't offer a free service supported by ads and a paid subscription without ads.
We don't know. Everything is conjecture.
Sure, I can then subscribe to another music service and pay monthly, or just listen to radio or whatever.
The downside of having physical records like CD, VHS, DVD, Casette, Vinyl, you-name-it, is that you need to also have the player. And the cables. And the space for the records. And every time you move you need to haul it with you. And everytime you clean you need to at least swipe the dusts or organize or whatever.
Now that I am subscribed to Netflix I have about 100-200 DVDs taking space in my closets and it's hard to get any money for them since their prices have collapsed just like VHS before and Blu-ray will one day.
Your fooling yourself if you think that optical discs make sense as an investment.
Well, would Apple like my $15 or do they want me to keep giving it to Spotify? Either way I'm buying less through iTunes and have ZERO interest in a Pandora-like service. I don't even want to leave spotify, except that their software development has gone off the rails in the last few months. Their client is turning into a flaming piece of crap.
I think so too, but seeing how Sony won't agree to Apple's terms, it might not happen and want full price for even a second the song is played.
Wow, your iTunes history, what a game changer!
Look kid, buying songs for $1.30 a pop is a suckers game. Unless you are buying only a few songs a month and never get sick of them, you are better off subscribing to something like Spotify. Even FREE spotify lets you do the same on your computer.
Based on how successful Ping and iTunes genius are at selecting songs... I suspect the radio stations produced by iRadio will be disappointing. The only benefit to the consumer is you get to easily buy what you are listening to from iTunes... which is not a benefit at all.
Apple is sacrificing their radio product to save their archaic business model in iTunes.
there will ALWAYS be a business model for owning music, buying music off itunes won't be going anywhere soon.
Apple's business model for iRadio will be targed at those people. They'll tack on a music discovery service for you to find music you like easier. It's as simple as that, it's targeted for different users. Until iRadio comes out, none of us truly know how like or unlike pandora it is.
also, free spotify is a joke, everybody WANTS to listens to music more or less from their phones as well. A system that's only free on your computer isn't useful at all.
Also, while Ping was a joke, iTunes Genius and iTunes Match were great ideas that after iteration have become dependable products.
and nobody has the music selection of iTunes. not google, not spotify. especially if you're into foreign music.
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apple has never given much thought to people who want to go off to other services. all they care about is having the most integrated and best experience for people who buy their hardware. a free radio service is just that. it's free, it's not like you'll delete it, you'll most likely give it a try because you're curious. well maybe not you, most people will and if apple can nail that experience, than they got what they wanted.
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Equally why should they be paid at all when I chose not to listen to a song? (Not do I think it's okay that Spotify pay it either) I haven't benefitted from the song, so why do they or the artist deserve money?
It would seem to me logically that the first 30 seconds per song would be closer to royalty-free or some sort of reduced (possibly up front) cost paid to allow previewing songs (think iTunes Store).
Disclaimer: I actually have no idea what Apple pays to be allowed to stream 30/60 second previews.
Sony and Warner have no acts I'd ever pay for, so they can go jump in the lake for all I care.
But I will say...stuff like this tends to lead people to piracy justification.
But I will say...stuff like this tends to lead people to piracy justification.