Isis to Roll Out National NFC Payment Service This Year With iPhone Support

Does this mean that iPhone 5S has NFC for sure?

Wow, so sad to see Apple in this position where they're always playing catch up.

The company I work for Gemalto, was selected in 2011 to provide technology behind this project http://www.gemalto.com/telecom/linqus/mfs/mobile_nfc/isis.html

Great to see that the project is rolling out nationally in the USA, and that NFC is moving.

It's unfortunate that Isis will be supporting the iPhone before Google Wallet... the latter is so much better in terms of merchant support (Google Wallet is a bridge over to MasterCard PayPass) and app usability.

Oh well

PollyK said:

Wow, so sad to see Apple in this position where they're always playing catch up.

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The chips have been available for quite some time. My guess is APPLE has deliberately held off on this technology, waiting for wider adoption. Timing is everything, and until there is the underlying infrastructure, necessary to make payment via NFC an option that has been adopted by a reasonably large percentage of the industry in general, and retailers in particular, introduction of this tech by APPLE in their hardware, would have been a disappointing experience for those of us sporting iOS devices with such technology.

PollyK said:

Wow, so sad to see Apple in this position where they're always playing catch up.

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Rubbish. Apple don't just chuck in new technologies for the sake of it. As other people said, they wait for it to be widely adopted, or perfect the technology before putting it into their products.

IMHO, it's sad to see other manufacturers in a position where they don't take any pride in their product, and have a mentality of chucking stuff on a wall to see what sticks.

I guess that explains the fingerprint sensor.

macs4nw said:

The chips have been available for quite some time. My guess is APPLE has deliberately held off on this technology, waiting for wider adoption. Timing is everything, and until there is the underlying infrastructure, necessary to make payment via NFC an option that has been adopted by a reasonably large percentage of the industry in general, and retailers in particular, introduction of this tech by APPLE in their hardware, would have been a disappointing experience for those of us sporting iOS devices with such technology.

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keysofanxiety said:

Rubbish. Apple don't just chuck in new technologies for the sake of it. As other people said, they wait for it to be widely adopted, or perfect the technology before putting it into their products.

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So, if every company does what you're saying Apple is doing, no technology would be developed.

keysofanxiety said:

IMHO, it's sad to see other manufacturers in a position where they don't take any pride in their product, and have a mentality of chucking stuff on a wall to see what sticks.

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Let me understand the reasoning. You bash other companies for developing new technologies and praise Apple for waiting until the technology is well developed and released?

How do you think it would be ready for Apple is others doesn't implement it before?

Do you people read your arguments before writing them?

Apple's success has often been based on taking technologies that have been around for a while and making them more accessible to the less tech savvy (which actually includes most of the population).

I would say rather than waiting for a technology to take off, it's hard for them to take off WITHOUT Apple being involved, and NFC is a perfect example of this. I have no doubt that if it is implemented in the next iPhone, then it will finally get the boost it needs to become widespread.

(Then Apple can claim to have "invented" it like they did with "multitouch" and "smartphones" ;-) )

Danyboy said:

Does this mean that iPhone 5S has NFC for sure?

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Those of us living in countries where NFC is widely adopted can only hope.

Oletros said:

Let me understand the reasoning. You bash other companies for developing new technologies and praise Apple for waiting until the technology is well developed and released?

How do you think it would be ready for Apple is others doesn't implement it before?

Do you people read your arguments before writing them?

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Yes, I do praise Apple for waiting until a third-party technology is well developed and released, because they want to make the best products possible. There are plenty of examples where they haven't done that. Multi-touch, although previously developed, wasn't commonplace in phones or technology in general; they spent a good few years perfecting it with the UI for the iPhone and then releasing that.

Not to mention when they did things such as standardise USB in the first iMac -- heck, I'm still seeing modern computers come with PS2 ports for mouse & keyboard.

It's not a case of Apple piggy-backing on other people's innovations, not at all. But if there's a new technology just released, what's the point in putting it into their products if it won't be useful in commonplace scenarios? As SJ once said, the hardest part is to decide what not to put in your product, otherwise you'll end up with a product that does everything but excels in nothing.

Please let me know if you want me to clarify any points.

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But if there's a new technology just released, what's the point in putting it into their products if it won't be useful in commonplace scenarios? As SJ once said, the hardest part is to decide what not to put in your product, otherwise you'll end up with a product that does everything but excels in nothing.

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But Apple is in a very different position now to when iPhones were first released.

iPhone has such a big share of the market that any smartphone technology not included on it is missing from half the people who might otherwise use it. Unless it is so successful and obvious that Apple has no choice but to include it (say 3G or GPS missing from first iPhone), to some extent Apple gets to DECIDE whether it takes of or not by whether they play along.

Danyboy said:

Does this mean that iPhone 5S has NFC for sure?

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Go read the source article...

"By working on the iPhone, Isis is indicating that it’s expanding beyond a technology called near-field communication (NFC), which hasn’t taken off as expected."

Of course with the fingerprint scanner driver found in iOS7, it is certainly possible. They are probably doing something else to enable the mass of iPhones in use without NFC though. They could use the LCD screens on the NFC payment gear to show QRCodes for transaction IDs or similar. It would allow any phone with an app/camera/IP connection to do a fairly simple transaction without NFC hardware.

keysofanxiety said:

Yes, I do praise Apple for waiting until a third-party technology is well developed and released, because they want to make the best products possible

Please let me know if you want me to clarify any points.

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This point, for example.

What happens when all the companies do that?

Ios 7 gm will be release with iwallet solution.

PBUser167 said:

Go read the source article...

"By working on the iPhone, Isis is indicating that it¡¯s expanding beyond a technology called near-field communication (NFC), which hasn¡¯t taken off as expected."

Of course with the fingerprint scanner driver found in iOS7, it is certainly possible. They are probably doing something else to enable the mass of iPhones in use without NFC though. They could use the LCD screens on the NFC payment gear to show QRCodes for transaction IDs or similar. It would allow any phone with an app/camera/IP connection to do a fairly simple transaction without NFC hardware.

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NFC Booster : INSIDE Booster is a patented,standards-compliant NFC technology that is deployed in a SIM card, which plugs into ordinary mobile phones to turn them into fully functional NFC-enabled handsets.

*.Virtual Wallet : Virtual Wallet is an architecture and a contactless interface with high-speed communication capabilities that access a secure element stored in the cloud to securely interact with a contactless POS. To learn more about this, click here.

*.NFC 2.0 : Near Field Communication (NFC) technology is evolving rapidly. NFC 2.0 provides a superior user experience, connection to the real world, and optimized integration. NFC 2.0 bridges the virtual world with the real world, opening opportunities to create significant new revenue streams.
Apple had already cross licensed this tech by selling their Embedded Security Solutions division to Inside Secure for $48 million.
I think apple service provider will issue nfc 2.0 nano sim to customers.
NO NEED BUY A NEW PHONE,NOW IT JUST REQUIRES A PIECE OF SOFTWARE TO RUN.

iglobe said:

NFC Booster : INSIDE Booster is a patented,standards-compliant NFC technology that is deployed in a SIM card, which plugs into ordinary mobile phones to turn them into fully functional NFC-enabled handsets.

*.Virtual Wallet : Virtual Wallet is an architecture and a contactless interface with high-speed communication capabilities that access a secure element stored in the cloud to securely interact with a contactless POS. To learn more about this, click here.

*.NFC 2.0 : Near Field Communication (NFC) technology is evolving rapidly. NFC 2.0 provides a superior user experience, connection to the real world, and optimized integration. NFC 2.0 bridges the virtual world with the real world, opening opportunities to create significant new revenue streams.
Apple had already cross licensed this tech by selling their Embedded Security Solutions division to Inside Secure for $48 million.
I think apple service provider will issue nfc 2.0 nano sim to customers.
NO NEED BUY A NEW PHONE,NOW IT JUST REQUIRES A PIECE OF SOFTWARE TO RUN.

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Good luck with that if the iPhone's metal sim tray turns out to be a half decent faraday cage.

Maybe in the plastic budget phones this would work better.

Does Apple even allow iOS app API to access SIM card?

Oletros said:

This point, for example.

What happens when all the companies do that?

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Well, Apple have developed many technologies that other companies have piggy-backed on. Apple put in their cash and efforts into the MacBook Air, iPhone, and a load of other products, despite a lot of controversy. This isn't some exclusive thing; it's how technology works.

With certain parts of technology, everybody chips in. But just go back to see the whole DVD vs HD-DVD vs BlueRay and you'll see it's simply ridiculous to immediately invest R&D into a new technology, just because it's new. And if your format loses, you lose.

I'm not sure how else to simplify this, your argument is mind-boggling. No point in Apple investing in NFC because it's not standard. There's no point. It would be stupid for them to have put NFC in the 3GS, for instance. Nobody bloody uses NFC. If, gradually, more shops worldwide accepted the format, then Apple would.

What if something 10x better than NFC was introduced next week, and everybody suddenly used it? What then? Good technology has a habit of taking off really quickly.

I don't know how to reply or clarify this, it just seems obvious to me. As far as I'm concerned, NFC is a gimmick at this point, and you think Apple not implementing it until it's the right time is a bad thing?

Crazy.

iglobe said:

NFC Booster : INSIDE Booster is a patented,standards-compliant NFC technology that is deployed in a SIM card, which plugs into ordinary mobile phones to turn them into fully functional NFC-enabled handsets.

*.Virtual Wallet : Virtual Wallet is an architecture and a contactless interface with high-speed communication capabilities that access a secure element stored in the cloud to securely interact with a contactless POS. To learn more about this, click here.

*.NFC 2.0 : Near Field Communication (NFC) technology is evolving rapidly. NFC 2.0 provides a superior user experience, connection to the real world, and optimized integration. NFC 2.0 bridges the virtual world with the real world, opening opportunities to create significant new revenue streams.
Apple had already cross licensed this tech by selling their Embedded Security Solutions division to Inside Secure for $48 million.
I think apple service provider will issue nfc 2.0 nano sim to customers.
NO NEED BUY A NEW PHONE,NOW IT JUST REQUIRES A PIECE OF SOFTWARE TO RUN.

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Cool idea, but I can't see it working in practice. Who are seemingly the only guys more resistant to change in the telecom industry than Apple? The carriers. Who world need to start issuing the NFC SIM cards? The carriers. Next to no chance of any significant adoption.

keysofanxiety said:

Well, Apple have developed many technologies that other companies have piggy-backed on. Apple put in their cash and efforts into the MacBook Air, iPhone, and a load of other products, despite a lot of controversy. This isn't some exclusive thing; it's how technology works.

With certain parts of technology, everybody chips in. But just go back to see the whole DVD vs HD-DVD vs BlueRay and you'll see it's simply ridiculous to immediately invest R&D into a new technology, just because it's new. And if your format loses, you lose.

I'm not sure how else to simplify this, your argument is mind-boggling. No point in Apple investing in NFC because it's not standard. There's no point. It would be stupid for them to have put NFC in the 3GS, for instance.

I don't know how to reply or clarify this, it just seems obvious to me.

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I think that you're not understanding what I'm asking or I can't explain it.

Menel said:

Good luck with that if the iPhone's metal sim tray turns out to be a half decent faraday cage.

Maybe in the plastic budget phones this would work better.

Does Apple even allow iOS app API to access SIM card?

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No, it doesn't.

Oletros said:

This point, for example.

What happens when all the companies do that?

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It isn't an all-or-nothing proposition. Sometimes Apple is among the first to adopt a technology (eg capacitive touchscreen, multi-touch, high-resolution smartphone screens). Other times they wait for technology to mature (3G, LTE, NFC). It doesn't always make sense to be a first mover. Being successful in a fast-moving industry like technology requires striking a balance. Push something out too quickly and you risk a poor user experience, security issues, or added cost. Wait too long and you risk losing customers. Neither Apple nor Samsung (the only two companies making serious money in mobile devices right now) are consistently first movers or late movers. Samsung tends to adopt certain technologies more quickly (wireless standards, NFC) but isn't always first and tends to use more conservative designs (eg they use simpler case designs such as polycarbonate throughout their product line). Apple has been an early adopter of mobile graphics technologies, has been more aggressive in customizing ARM chips, and pushes engineering and manufacturing design processes to their limits. On the other hand, they tend to wait for baseband, wireless protocol, and more ancillary technologies to mature.

KPOM said:

It isn't an all-or-nothing proposition. Sometimes Apple is among the first to adopt a technology (eg capacitive touchscreen, multi-touch, high-resolution smartphone screens). Other times they wait for technology to mature (3G, LTE, NFC). It doesn't always make sense to be a first mover. Being successful in a fast-moving industry like technology requires striking a balance. Push something out too quickly and you risk a poor user experience, security issues, or added cost. Wait too long and you risk losing customers. Neither Apple nor Samsung (the only two companies making serious money in mobile devices right now) are consistently first movers or late movers. Samsung tends to adopt certain technologies more quickly (wireless standards, NFC) but isn't always first and tends to use more conservative designs (eg they use simpler case designs such as polycarbonate throughout their product line). Apple has been an early adopter of mobile graphics technologies, has been more aggressive in customizing ARM chips, and pushes engineering and manufacturing design processes to their limits. On the other hand, they tend to wait for baseband, wireless protocol, and more ancillary technologies to mature.

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Thanks for the answer.

Here lies one of the problems, I think people here tend to see that as Apple versus and I was not talking about Apple, Microsoft, Samsung or any company in particular, I was just talking about the concept.

I agree that there has to be a balance between being first and waiting to release so my astonishment when people bash companies for releasing a technology (the "chucking stuff on a wall to see what sticks." comment) and praising other for waiting.

No NFC in the iPhone for now

Danyboy said:

Does this mean that iPhone 5S has NFC for sure?

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There is not going to be any NFC Chip in the iPhone for now. The reason is lack of space for it, and the fact that Apple don't believe in NFC. Apple is betting on Bluetooth 4.0, also called Bluetooth Low Energy or Bluetooth Smart.

Bluetooth 4.0 can be used in the same way as NFC, but also in a lot of ways that NFC can not. Apple will therefore hold off on trying to incorporate a NFC chip in the iPhone.

A very interesting article that I found a few years ago on Bluetooth 4.0. I would love to see how Apple finally implements this new system.....

http://m.fastcompany.com/1785593/bluetooth-40-innovations-take-tech-far-beyond-hands-free-douchery