"iAPP"codename "Lalal" and new PDA! Codenamed "Roach"

DJ_TRicks · Nov 8, 2002

From inside source from a developer who is one of the workers on the 10.x OS (Meta developer) and a friend at the company that is still nameless at the time. Apple is working with another company for another "iApp" codenamed Lalal in Panther 10.3
The info that my tight lipped friend who works for this third party Company is that it involves a new PDA for apple codenamed Roach.

Here is an excerpt from a chat he and I had his aim name will not be shown because he would kick my ass if it leaked he told.

DeepPanther: but I know something about 10.3 you dont
DeepPanther: dude but ha-ha I know a lot you dont know
DeepPanther: hahaha
DeepPanther: like "a lot"

TricksDealer: I know allot about 10.3 too
DeepPanther: there will be a new iapp
DeepPanther: lalal
TricksDealer: new file formats
DeepPanther: thats all I say
DeepPanther: you know about roach?
TricksDealer: ext3, riser Js, and like a few others
TricksDealer: roach
DeepPanther: nah
DeepPanther: PDA roach
DeepPanther: lol I will ****
TricksDealer: ahaa that
DeepPanther: I cant say anymore
TricksDealer: I know that server of 10.3 will allow clustering and grid computing
TricksDealer: with pcs too

DeepPanther: no this isn't about that
TricksDealer: and PDA is a newer ipod with a full touch screen
TricksDealer: and the Newton software is a major part
TricksDealer: thats why they added it to 10.2
DeepPanther: what do you know about a 3rd party app?
TricksDealer: not much why
TricksDealer: do tell
DeepPanther: I cant
TricksDealer: why
DeepPanther: honest to go I will tell soon as the money deal goes through
TricksDealer: ok how come you wont tell man?
TricksDealer: I wont tell anyone
TricksDealer: I have a friend who works in apple anyway
TricksDealer: he is one of the Meta developers (inside developers) for OSX
DeepPanther: ok ask him about a 3rd party app

DeepPanther: it will be cocoa (duh) and work with the new PDA ****
TricksDealer: wait are you talking about the palm app?
DeepPanther: something along those lines
TricksDealer: the one for the BeOS ****
DeepPanther: tell him to think 3rd party
DeepPanther:

TricksDealer: dude
TricksDealer: stop ***** with me
TricksDealer: just tell
DeepPanther: nope
TricksDealer: why
DeepPanther: cause I am not going to start a leak
TricksDealer: you know and how did you find out pray tell you dont work for apple
TricksDealer: so tell me
TricksDealer: I know no one else that uses apples
DeepPanther: lol I dont work yet
TricksDealer: I applied for the Apple store
DeepPanther: I will be tech support for this 3rd party company when the deal with apple goes through
DeepPanther: you get it?
TricksDealer: I dropped of my resume two days ago
TricksDealer: and the application
DeepPanther: ahh

DeepPanther: good luck
TricksDealer: third party app....
DeepPanther: yeah ask your apple connection about it
TricksDealer: GOD DAMN IT YOU BASTARD TELL ME YOU CANCLED AT THE LAST MIN TO TELL ME!!!
TricksDealer: ......
DeepPanther: he might now

DeepPanther: lol
TricksDealer: so tell me
DeepPanther: in like a month
TricksDealer: dude
TricksDealer: I dont have a job
TricksDealer: I dont have money
TricksDealer: I dont even have credit in my own name
TricksDealer: their is no way of insider trading
DeepPanther: and I cant say
TricksDealer: I know no other Mac people
DeepPanther: its not that
TricksDealer: you already told me enough just stop pulling my sting yanking my chain and tell me or I will kill you
DeepPanther: its that I am not going to start a leak until the deal w/apple goes through
DeepPanther: kill me.....
TricksDealer: dude Im not going to tell a bloody soul
DeepPanther: :-X
TricksDealer: just tell me you going to make me go nutz
TricksDealer: please
TricksDealer: god I'm begging here
DeepPanther: I can't sorry

TRICKSDEALER: I hate when people do this to me putting something like this in front of my nose
TRICKSDEALER: which company is it?
DeepPanther: lol I will keep giving you clues
DeepPanther: I cant say
TricksDealer: well what do they bloody well make?
TricksDealer: PDA?
DeepPanther: no hardware
TricksDealer: wait.....
DeepPanther: software
TricksDealer: Amiga?
TricksDealer: are you talking about Amiga
DeepPanther: nope
DeepPanther: you will find out soon
TricksDealer: no
TricksDealer: you tell me now
DeepPanther: builds will leak in a month

scem0 · Nov 8, 2002

Sweet. I hope that isn't fake. I never expected apple to get
involved with the PDA business after that comment about how
the PDA market was a dying market and such. The iApp will be
something dumb that is a port for synching your PDA, for inputing
stuff into the PDA, and for customizing the PDA. I am hoping we
will see an office application from apple. An office application by
apple is way overdue.

MacBandit · Nov 8, 2002

Originally posted by scem0
Sweet. I hope that isn't fake. I never expected apple to get
involved with the PDA business after that comment about how
the PDA market was a dying market and such. The iApp will be
something dumb that is a port for synching your PDA, for inputing
stuff into the PDA, and for customizing the PDA. I am hoping we
will see an office application from apple. An office application by
apple is way overdue.

Well Apple also said that there wouldn't be a DVD burner in the next Powerbooks and here it is.

scem0 · Nov 8, 2002

Originally posted by MacBandit

Well Apple also said that there wouldn't be a DVD burner in the next Powerbooks and here it is.

I guess that is true. But it just seems like the PDA market and the
cell phone markets are merging, and if apple is to make a PDA
it should be very 'phone-ish'. That way people who are looking
for an ultra cool phone can get it, and people who are looking for
an ultra-cool PDA can get it. I don't think it would be the best
move for apple to make, but don't mind...

MacBandit · Nov 8, 2002

Originally posted by scem0

I guess that is true. But it just seems like the PDA market and the
cell phone markets are merging, and if apple is to make a PDA
it should be very 'phone-ish'. That way people who are looking
for an ultra cool phone can get it, and people who are looking for
an ultra-cool PDA can get it. I don't think it would be the best
move for apple to make, but don't mind...

There's nothing here that says that it can't be a phone.

Telomar · Nov 9, 2002

Originally posted by MacBandit

Well Apple also said that there wouldn't be a DVD burner in the next Powerbooks and here it is.

Apple also said as soon as they could get a superdrive in the powerbooks they would.

I expect the markets would really hammer Apple's share price if they produced a PDA.

scem0 · Nov 9, 2002

Originally posted by MacBandit

There's nothing here that says that it can't be a phone.

I know, I am just saying that if it isn't a phone and a PDA then
apple will suffer big losses.

Chaszmyr · Nov 9, 2002

Originally posted by scem0

I know, I am just saying that if it isn't a phone and a PDA then
apple will suffer big losses.

I think by entering the crowded MP3 player market with the iPod and being extremely succesful Apple has already proven they know how to handle these things.

Telomar · Nov 9, 2002

Originally posted by Chaszmyr

I think by entering the crowded MP3 player market with the iPod and being extremely succesful Apple has already proven they know how to handle these things.

Not really. The MP3 player market and the PDA market are completely different.

For one the MP3 market has shipments of over 20 times more than the PDA market and is also growing significantly each year. Even despite Apple's success they are yet to break 10% of that market too.

The PDA market is decreasing in size and is fading into obscurity as other items take over its major funtions. It has very little in the way of a roadmap into the future or expectation for growth. It lacks any truly killer funtionality to get it accepted by consumers and it really doesn't face the rosiest of futures. Apple would be really silly to go after the PDA market specifically and I believe Steve Jobs is well aware of that fact and knows exactly how to handle it, stay away.

Timo_Existencia · Nov 9, 2002

PDA's here to stay...

The only reason the PDA market languishes is because the PDA's on the market suck. People want and will pay for a PDA that provides great power and functionality. And BTW, have you noticed that most of the PC Manufacturers are still working hard to get INTO the PDA market?

The mantra that Apple will never get back into the PDA market is tired; of course, they will. They remain on the sidelines of this market to their own detriment.

Raiden · Nov 9, 2002

@telomar-

I think the only real thing holding back the ipod from dominating the MP3 player market is the price tag. When the average joe looks at a 500 buck ipod, then looks at one of those tiny flash memory players that are 100 bucks, he will choose the cheap one.

I agree what you say about the pda market, its crowded, and has no direction. Knowing apple, it could be possible for them to redefine that new direction.

Features of a pda and a phone in a tablet pc?

Gus · Nov 9, 2002

If you want to make a PDA that will sell like hotcakes, then make one with a color screen that is big enough to read at arm's length, and have an always-on internet connection that doesn't cost an arm and a leg to have. When this is possible, you will see PDAs hit it. You could have a PDA that you can check phone listings on the road, get maps on the fly, check stock prices, get the weather while traveling, manage your account without carrying receipts everywhere, get live sports scores, read internet articles, and everything else that you have to lug a computer around for. PDAs don't need to have full-fledged word processors or spread-sheets to make it big. People will still do those things on their computers.

Yes, I know that there are programs on cards that will give you phone numbers and ,aps, etc., but they are not "live". you have to get new programs every now and again, and I can't get news from the cards.

I truly believe that true internet service on a nice screen will bring people to the PDA market. I don't like surfing on my phone because you can't read the dang thing like a real article, and you have to have it in your face.

I don't know, it's just me, but I will wait until everything I said above is possible. Of course, I was one of the ones that was hoping the iWalk was for real too (minus that ugly scroll wheel n the front of it, of course).

My 2¢

Gus

Gelfin · Nov 9, 2002

Hmm... I call BS. My gut intuition is that the same person wrote both sides of that conversation, and it just doesn't ring true.

Besides, it's another damned PDA rumor thread. Weren't we shooting people who started those at one point?

peecee_poop · Nov 9, 2002

Originally posted by Gelfin
Hmm... I call BS. My gut intuition is that the same person wrote both sides of that conversation, and it just doesn't ring true.

Maybe he is the one who made the iWalk video.

DJ_TRicks go back to spymac where you belong ;-)

Over Achiever · Nov 9, 2002

Originally posted by peecee_poop
DJ_TRicks go back to spymac where you belong ;-)

Thats not nice

(now where's that finger wagging smiley when I need it

)

scem0 · Nov 9, 2002

That conversation does seem a little fake, but it is impossible
to tell.

Telomar explained why apple shouldn't make a PDA almost
perfectly. If you haven't read his 'argument' then read it now.

cubist · Nov 9, 2002

I really wish people would NOT post chat transcripts...

... instead, they should abstract them into something resembling cogent English. It would be a plus if they would try to spell correctly, too.

Smoot · Nov 9, 2002

I thought a roach was something that you smoke

rainman::|:| · Nov 9, 2002

Originally posted by Smoot
I thought a roach was something that you smoke

Obviously something that *this* guy has smoked a lot of. Good ****, too. I want some.

Speculating is fine. But rumormongoring while claiming "fact" is just BS.

pnw

MacBandit · Nov 9, 2002

Originally posted by paulwhannel

Obviously something that *this* guy has smoked a lot of. Good ****, too. I want some.

Speculating is fine. But rumormongoring while claiming "fact" is just BS.

pnw

Where do you think 99% of the rumors that most of you hold up as fact come from?

Inhale420 · Nov 10, 2002

i can't believe you guys haven't figured out this guy's a fake. read his other posts, geez

MacBandit · Nov 11, 2002

Originally posted by Inhale420
i can't believe you guys haven't figured out this guy's a fake. read his other posts, geez

Who cares it's a rumor just as any other rumor. No shred of evidence you just have to take the persons word for it. A lot of the rumors that get held up as fact on the front page of major rumor sites come from posts just as this.

If it were on the front page here at MacRumors you would believe it wouldn't you.

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