Oh you're trying to imply that metadata was private personal communications?
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Oh you're trying to imply that metadata was private personal communications?
I was referencing this interview when Tim Cook was asked if Americans would be more at ease if he could tell more, and he said "I do".
IMO the government is more likely to be hacked, compromising the information, than google.
US government is particularly incompetent with technology.
I would trust google more than the NSA, yes.
No, no don't cop out. I called you out on your bs and proved you wrong. Now answer.
You must be friends with Dianne Feinstein.
Really? So if you are from EU its ok that they spy on you but if from US then its not? You remind me the famous saying below:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me."
Do you not see that this whole spying business is making matter worse for not only US but rest of the world?
No, it's because our country was lead by a bunch of morons until the current government came in. Unfortunately, delinquency on this rock is rampant through lack of discipline and disrespect for peers and elders. Lots of people like me - educated to degree level - are doing their bloody best to breed it out. The next stage is sterilisation.
And the reason for these filters is because of loony left wing idiots blaming society for their bad parenting skills.
If this is the only rebuttal you have to make, then you've already lost the argument.
Really?
So Google's facilities are secured by faraday cages and armed guards (among a million other classified/unclassified techniques) like military facilities?
See, if it's being watched by some sort of computer - I probably wouldn't care, no. If there's some mug employed to watch my every move without due cause - then yes, and I'd feel compelled to make their life better by doing silly things to the camera now and then.
Besides, the UK is apparently the most surveilled population on the planet. And we still can't catch who robbed the local corner shop.
Also, whats the point of creating a ludicrous, exaggerated scenario created to downplay my perfectly real-world argument?
I have the same problem with the NSA that I have with Google.
Suppose they are fine entities which won't do anything evil with the data they collect. Everything is okay then, right?
WRONG!
Nobody, not Google, not the NSA, not Apple, NOBODY, is unhackable. They're massive targets with a huge amount of value for cyber criminals to hack. The criminals hack in, steal whatever they want (your intimate pictures, your bank information, the school your children go to, your daily schedule, your address... more about you than you know about you!) and can get away without a trace (if they're good enough to get in, I don't doubt they're good enough to disappear without a trace.)
Suppose they are fine entities which won't do anything evil with the data they collect. Everything is okay then, right?
WRONG!
Nobody, not Google, not the NSA, not Apple, NOBODY, is unhackable. They're massive targets with a huge amount of value for cyber criminals to hack. The criminals hack in, steal whatever they want (your intimate pictures, your bank information, the school your children go to, your daily schedule, your address... more about you than you know about you!) and can get away without a trace (if they're good enough to get in, I don't doubt they're good enough to disappear without a trace.)
Considering he had no idea that the government was collecting metadata, are you surprised?
Many of the people supporting the agency in this have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and are completely misinformed.
You complain about agencies whose job it is to protect you looking through data that hackers who want as much info about you as they can get to steal you identity or transfer money from you to them have free access to. Its created by the companies who don't believe you have a right to privacy if it keeps them from making more money from your data.
I don't see how what you suggest there stops hackers. But yes, I trust google more than the NSA.
Feel free to explain why you think metadata is supposed to be private.
Didn't we have supreme court decisions that clearly state reading communications metadata, like addresses on letters, wasn't private?
Also, the classified network is completely physically disconnected from the internet. the "breaches" you hear about on the news are of the unclassified (but still sensitive) networks.
You have misplaced trust, then.
Government is far more capable of preventing hackers than any private organization.
Private organizations have very limited resources in protecting against hackers.
government and capable in the same sentence, lol
these are the same guys that enabled the snowden situation to happen in the first place.
Who had no idea government was collecting metadata?
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I don't see any private companies landing robots on the Mars.. do you?
Or maybe you prefer spending $15 to mail a letter via FedEx instead of 50cents via USPS?
To your first and third points... this seems to be how most citizens feel. But the problem is that an erosion of rights is just that, an erosion (doesn't happen overnight. it is done in many many small steps). So we don't get from A to Z directly, without enough people screaming out... but we will get there eventually. And if you think that was so absurd of a scenario... take a look at North Korea. So they are executing all blood relatives of the beloved leader's uncle... women and children. Is that a ludicrous, absurd and impossible scenario? How did they, as a country, get there? Did that type of government/leadership happen overnight? And is that better/worse/the same as my scenario?
Kudos to your second point. They seem to be great at advancing the wrong kind of protections.
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Everybody is a foreigner. Almost everywhere.
What he is saying, without realising, is that it is OK for the UK to spy on him. And for France. And for Germany. And for Italy. And for Spain. And for Japan. And for Libya. And for Egypt. And for China. And for Australia. And for North Korea. And for South Korea.
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