Apple and Samsung Face Off in Court as Second Patent Infringement Trial Begins

MacRumors · Mar 31, 2014

Apple is seeking more than $2 billion in damages from Samsung in a second patent infringement suit that begins Monday in the US District Court of Northern California with Judge Lucy Koh presiding over the case (Via The Financial Times).

This second lawsuit involves new patents and more recent devices than the previous case, which ended with an $890 million judgement in Apple's favor. This latest suit focuses on five utility patents involving software features such as auto-correct, slide-to-unlock and Siri's universal search. Apple lists Samsung's Galaxy S3 and Galaxy Nexus smartphones as infringing devices.

Google is expected to take a bigger role in the litigation with testimony from executives such as current vice-president of Android engineering Hiroshi Lockheimer and former Android Chief Andy Rubin. These executives will discuss how Android was developed outside the influence of Apple and iOS. Apple is expected to again call Phil Schiller to testify on the design, development, and marketing of iOS and associated hardware.

Before the trial even begins, Samsung already has been handed a minor setback as reported by Re/code. Judge Koh rejected a motion by Korean company that objected to an instructional video describing the patent process because it includes references to Apple products. Samsung argued the newer video, shown above, was "highly prejudicial to Samsung" and asked that the jurors be shown an older, more neutral version. Koh disagreed.

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Reason077 · Mar 31, 2014

Round 2. FIGHT!

jamesjingyi · Mar 31, 2014

Yay! More disputes and more arguing! Isn't the world a better place now!?

goobot · Mar 31, 2014

So did apple actually get paid that $890 mill or are they still doing the appeal retrial thing in regards to that?

Solomani · Mar 31, 2014

Apple and Samsung in a legal court battle?! This is incredulous. Hardly believable. This must be an April Fools prank right?

/sarcasm

JayCee842 · Mar 31, 2014

Go, Apple!

KdParker · Mar 31, 2014

Here we go again.

Anyone know what the score is now ?

jayducharme · Mar 31, 2014

The obvious placement of Apple products in the video is a bit surprising. Perhaps the Patent Office (or production company) may have viewed those products as "bettering" the world. But to show an old Apple computer, laptop, iPhone and iPad all in sequence as examples does seem to stack the deck against Samsung. Even though the Apple logo wasn't shown, it was pretty obvious what they were. (And that's part of Apple's argument.)

captain cadet · Mar 31, 2014

*Yawn* - yet more disputes - when is it going to end?

deluxeshredder · Mar 31, 2014

captain cadet said:
*Yawn* - yet more disputes - when is it going to end?

Until Apple's hope to progress through litigation instead of innovation ends.

gotluck · Mar 31, 2014

meh, apple just release your larger screened iphone already (or is that copying?)

from what we've seen from android OEM's already this year - the door is wide open for you.

winston1236 · Mar 31, 2014

goobot said:
So did apple actually get paid that $890 mill or are they still doing the appeal retrial thing in regards to that?

Of course they haven't been paid. It will be appealed and appealed.

blackhand1001 · Mar 31, 2014

Suing over the Galaxy s3 and galaxy nexus is really low. I hope apple loses this one.

uknowimright · Mar 31, 2014

I already know who is going to win

the lawyers!

luckydcxx · Mar 31, 2014

jayducharme said:
The obvious placement of Apple products in the video is a bit surprising. Perhaps the Patent Office (or production company) may have viewed those products as "bettering" the world. But to show an old Apple computer, laptop, iPhone and iPad all in sequence as examples does seem to stack the deck against Samsung. Even though the Apple logo wasn't shown, it was pretty obvious what they were. (And that's part of Apple's argument.)

haha i was going to say this too. look at the 4:10 mark :apple:

ouimetnick · Mar 31, 2014

Why doesn't Samsung just come up with their own ideas instead of copying and pasting other's ideas.

gusapple · Mar 31, 2014

jayducharme said:
The obvious placement of Apple products in the video is a bit surprising. Perhaps the Patent Office (or production company) may have viewed those products as "bettering" the world. But to show an old Apple computer, laptop, iPhone and iPad all in sequence as examples does seem to stack the deck against Samsung. Even though the Apple logo wasn't shown, it was pretty obvious what they were. (And that's part of Apple's argument.)

Totally agree. There is no bigger Apple fan than your's truly, but the patent office did show a lot of Apple products. It kind of swings towards Apple in saying that they have done a lot (which they have) for the tech business. I think that for selecting an "impartial jury" there is a lot of partial material.

\-V-/ · Mar 31, 2014

jayducharme said:
The obvious placement of Apple products in the video is a bit surprising. Perhaps the Patent Office (or production company) may have viewed those products as "bettering" the world. But to show an old Apple computer, laptop, iPhone and iPad all in sequence as examples does seem to stack the deck against Samsung. Even though the Apple logo wasn't shown, it was pretty obvious what they were. (And that's part of Apple's argument.)

Yeah... that can't be a good sign for Sammy if there's that much Apple bias going on. These court cases are becoming nauseating, though.

TsunamiTheClown · Mar 31, 2014

luckydcxx said:
haha i was going to say this too. look at the 4:10 mark

wow this is just too much.

GenesisST · Mar 31, 2014

Just get all Samsung and Apple fanboys unto a battlefield and let them settle it. I see multiple advantages:

- No more money to lawyers
- Settled once and for all
- There will be one fanboy left.
(Actually, we hire a hit man for that last one...)

uknowimright · Mar 31, 2014

clearly Starbucks is the place where inventions are hashed out

luckydcxx · Mar 31, 2014

uknowimright said:
clearly Starbucks is the place where inventions are hashed out

it must be the free wifi

jayducharme · Mar 31, 2014

luckydcxx said:
haha i was going to say this too. look at the 4:10 mark

Yeah, that's pretty egregious. There's another example at 5:20 where the "inventor", using a sleek Apple laptop, is speaking with a patent attorney who appears to have big old clunky PC laptop.

I can see why Samsung would be a bit upset. It probably could have been worse: the video could have shown Samsung devices as examples of patents being rejected.

gotluck · Mar 31, 2014

luckydcxx said:
it must be the free wifi

where the ideas can be easily stolen

leroypants · Mar 31, 2014

MacRumors said:
Judge Koh rejected a motion by Korean company that objected to an instructional video describing the patent process because it includes references to Apple products. Samsung argued the newer video, shown above, was "highly prejudicial to Samsung" and asked that the jurors be shown an older, more neutral version. Koh disagreed.

As an Apple zealot, I am glad that Judge Koh is on our side and doesn't even pretend to be objective or impartial.

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