Joeytpg said:
Jesus, i was forgetting about Cables......would you help me a little bit.
For example, lets assume i buy the 1814 or de 410 (which i think will be the one) because i checked my account again, and i need to buy a alot of stuff and i don't think i might be able to spend 1,500
so lets assume that i get an M-Audio Firewire 410 (which i think is OK for my needs, since i won't be recording more than two instruments at the same time, at least for now, Vocals and guitar at the same time, or maybe two mics to record drums) and i get a Shure SM58 mic, which i think will hold me better as a Vocal/guitar mic (right?) i know the SM 57 is a better mic for instruments BUT i need a better quality for Vocal recording plus a GOOD guitar quality mic at the same time BUT giving vocals a prefference....so SM 58 i think is better.
OK, you wont be recording more than 2 instruments (for now) In Stereo or in mono ( stereo x 2 = 4 channels ) which I believe 410 can do, and even USB interfaces can do...
Oh, I was wondering what Mac you had... a PB G4 - Thankfully has Audio IN with 24/96 ( 24 bit 96KHz sample rate ) and also works as analog @ 24/96 - see Apple system profiler for details....
If you record in mono ( which is standard in mixing - you pan - and make stereo After multiple tracks are adjusted ) then a simple 1/8th inch stereo adapter & run it to a small mixer ( whatever u use for a preamp XLR on SM58 - &/or 1/4" Guitar cable....
Adapter $4
Y Cable $6
Recording multitrack = Priceless ;-)
Also, the built in Mic on a PB is really not a bad vocal Mic - I was at a friends - he was making up 1st ever song in GB ( I was curious- his talent, ear, taste, and how easy was GB for a newbie? ) So, I just used the built in Mic - of course we could change pitch, auto-tune, EQ, reverb....vocode... I was amazed - it's CD quality - better than charging studios offer...
-I am a Pro Engineer, Musician, and know more about the science of audio/ acoustics, DSP, Sample rate/ bit depth, than anyone of the teaching staff at schools - Pro's in the field.... And, my friend works in Core Audio @ Apple - so I know how that works as well...
( Just so you know, not a newbie, not telling you opinion, just objective data - for real - even apart from marketing... )
Um, I keep hearing people "Say" SM-58 ( #1 vocal Mic ) but condenser is bette for "Instruments". ( Without going into science & Math for this too much, <but will if u like > )
Roughly, SM58 has something like 60Hz - 16KHz response ( It cannot record a Low E Bass which is 40Hz in A=440 standard tuning 4 example ) and it has a presence boost at like 2.5-3KHz ( many like this, especially female singers - boosts falsetto high notes - mostly used as a Live Mic - can be run over by a truck & still used! )
The things which make it a "great vocal mic", for many, actually can be a problem recording.... a male voice may never get near that range - but it's a screwed up EQ you may not want, may introduce noise, etc.
All that said - you may like the built in mic better....
While you lose editing ability - recording both tracks at once, on one track, can be fine as well..... and via Mic in PB G4 - not bad at all.... ( Most problems are from volume, positioning, etc. not a Mic quality issue )
or via the 24/96 stereo I/O in your PB G4 ( it has line in, right?)
- Drums are a nightmare to record in a quality studio acoustically built for such a purpose - in most Pro recordings - you buy & hear- we record them, then later, use the beat matching in most software - and replace the actual hits with a sample of drums/ cymbals/ high-hat - say a Ludwig, w/ Zildian cymbals recorded in a church in Rome @ 24 bit - on Nueman Mic's - the feel would be the drummer - but the sound would never be....
I'd recommend you have no preference to any brand mic, Sure SM58 or 57 - both do similar things - the 57 would have greater frequency response ( drums & Bass to guitar, vocals, high hats ) most likely - see spec's from seller/ company.
A friend wanted to record in stereo - I suggested a Pair of condenser mics @ $100 ( 5Hz - 22KHz freq response - fine for ANY use ) but then he mentioned mic stands... I suggested the many dual stereo condenser mics shaped as a Y - only 1 stand - ot hang from ceiling - stereo image is already done....but that was 4 a specific purpose...
You too, I strongly suggest a condenser as your 1 mic - vocals will be fine, but also ability to capture LOW frequency & extreme high is cool - live vocal mics limit bass ( Rumble roll off - bass & bass drums seep into a vocal ) but you can either turn on Low Cut < Kill everything under 80Hz > or whatever YOU like, in various situations, and presence rise at a frequency - also something to EQ if YOU want - also, really do NOT waste $$ on a great Mic Brand! In this generation we have CD's, MP3's, the cost of mic parts is almost zero - all are made in China cheaper labor - and capturing the sound is all you want.....
Some will debate quality, but in real life, no one can tell a $12 Radio shack, from a $50,000 Nueman Mic in a full band pop, rock, etc. CD - with compression Mix, EQ & FX - again, built in should be amazingly good....
( also we recording people, need a flat reference monitor, speakers with a flat EQ to hear what we record, not what "Makes it sound better" - so it will be OK on almost any stereo - not great on yours, and **** everywhere else! On the cheap?? Yamaha MSP5's are a few hundred each.... but a cool option today is K240DF ( the DF indicates a digital reference monitor - other without DF are NOT for mastering! Then about $100 < maybe $150 > makes that possible, and cooler still, portable!!! not sure but samson has some 20Hz-20KHz +/- 3db which list @ 44.99 - but double check reference specification - almost perfectly flat EQ!)
If u have a couple mics u need XLR jacks - if condenser Mic u need phantom power ( no big deal- standard on almost ANY Mixer! )
I own Mackie mixers - model you mention is for live use & has FX built in - not a recording mixer - and Mackie costs a lot more than your budget seems to allow.... like a 1202VLZ Pro will be more like 400 without FX, or power.... ( are u playing live??? ) If you need Live stuff - maybe get the amp built-in too?? CFX ???
Behringer mixers offer great quality for a LOT LESS!!! I'm talking 24 track mixer for $500 - unreal!!! -but the quality is still PRO all the way...
Hey, what are you thinking anyway?? Project studio? Maybe someday more??? You play guitar & sing??? yes???
