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Apple Discounts Cinema Displays
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Dante, I read back through the old posts and saw that you said several times "for Video go with the Dell".
I'm doing indie video production, and am getting ready to buy a monitor. Technically wouldn't I want the best color representation that the S-IPS panel offers? I'm not seeing from the specs why I would want the Dell. If anyone can clear that up, it'd be much appreciated.
I'm doing indie video production, and am getting ready to buy a monitor. Technically wouldn't I want the best color representation that the S-IPS panel offers? I'm not seeing from the specs why I would want the Dell. If anyone can clear that up, it'd be much appreciated.
someday I'll be putting a 30" next to my 24" that will be flipped into portrait mode. However I don't foresee myself getting an Apple. Simply not enough bang for the buck. But when the Dell 30 drops below 1K. . . .Im so there.
I wish they'd put in a couple HDMI inputs, a component input, and an analog input and sell it at these prices, then we'd have one sweet HDTV/Cinema Display!
WTF a bogus buyer's guide. hmm.. losing faith in the objectivity of that guide after seeing this..
https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#Apple_Cinema_Displays
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sounds like...
Blowout!!!
Where's the built-in eyesight?
Octo as an option... and no new designs...
Weird Wednesday!!!
sounds like...
Blowout!!!
Where's the built-in eyesight?
Octo as an option... and no new designs...
Weird Wednesday!!!
Yeah, this shouldn't say product just updated. It should probably say something like "Product price just lowered - could be indication of Apple clearing out stock to prepare for new models" or something.
They didn't update anyhing but the price.
Get yer french fries here!
It's obvious that some readers do not appreciate the difference in quality between the Apple Cinema Display and the Dell what's-its-face, but that's ok. Some folks think Chevys are "just as good" as BMW's because they're the same size and have just as much horsepower. They might even think Chevys are better than BMW's because they cost less money! Anyone who thinks buying a color monitor is like buying a sack of potatoes should by all means buy a Dell. You'll love it!
It's obvious that some readers do not appreciate the difference in quality between the Apple Cinema Display and the Dell what's-its-face, but that's ok. Some folks think Chevys are "just as good" as BMW's because they're the same size and have just as much horsepower. They might even think Chevys are better than BMW's because they cost less money! Anyone who thinks buying a color monitor is like buying a sack of potatoes should by all means buy a Dell. You'll love it!
All "buy now!" means is that if you were going to buy that product, there's no reason to wait for an update/price drop because it just happened. It's not saying "buy a Cinema Display and not a Dell!"
Where exactly is the objectivity problem?
The Dell 30 inch, and some 24's are the S-IPS panel.
When I said go with the Dell for Video, I was basically trying to send a "peace-offering" to so many on these posts who love the Dell's. And they do offer benefits -- the multiple inputs, for example are very useful. The gamut for broadcast is spectacular. They can swivel and mechanically adjust better than the APPLE.
MY OWN PREFERENCE is that I would still go with the ACD as I am a big fan of out of the box colorsync. I use it for not only Print Work but also for Flash, Flash Video, Web Production, etc. I justed ripped a whole bunch of print images down to a website and Flash Photo Multimedia Trailer -- I like knowing exactly how a tagged image should look via colorsync and I embed these profiles in ALL my images, even web images from Photoshop via "save for web" and also in my Final Cut Express video.
You can still do this with the Dell -- buy a $250 profiler and profile your Dell and build a Colorsync Software profile.
But for out of the box performance, the Apple wins. Some will say that the Apple color degrades and/or changes over time and that profiling is necessary anyway -- BUT -- I am suspicious of these claims and wonder how many years it takes for these changes to occur. It used to be every few months BUT again, this is old data -- newer monitors are a great deal more stable. I have talked with many a color engineer about this.
As I get more data I will post.
Bottom line, for Video, the Dells are a very solid choice -- so is the new HP, and the Apple is pretty darn good as well -- slightly less gamut, inputs, and mechanical adjustment but out of the box color profile.
Good luck. Let us know what you go with and how you like it.
Dante
Bingo
Bingo -- You've Got it Exactly -- it is so good to see these Display discussions evolve to where they belong, which is an honest discussion of the facts, the markets to which displays are best suited, and the technical specs.
Bingo -- You've Got it Exactly -- it is so good to see these Display discussions evolve to where they belong, which is an honest discussion of the facts, the markets to which displays are best suited, and the technical specs.
calling UK HE students
I'm at home right now (so cannot access the HE site), and was just wondering the price of the 23"er with HE discount.
Pretty serious about grabbing one!
I'm at home right now (so cannot access the HE site), and was just wondering the price of the 23"er with HE discount.
Pretty serious about grabbing one!
I still wonder why we Brits have to pay these prices?
UK Apple Store - Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon = £2659 or $5,247
OR
US Apple Store - Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon = $3997
1 x cinema display (23") = $899
1 x 80GB iPod video $349
Total $5245
leaving me with $2 for the bus home.
UK Apple Store - Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon = £2659 or $5,247
OR
US Apple Store - Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon = $3997
1 x cinema display (23") = $899
1 x 80GB iPod video $349
Total $5245
leaving me with $2 for the bus home.
Those cinema displays are hideously expensive both side of the Atlantic. I ended up purchasing a A04 rev Dell 2407WFP which was £200 cheaper than the Apple equivalent, with numerous benefits:
- 1" extra space
- Extra inputs: VGA/Component & Composite as well as DVi
- Inbuilt multi-card Reader
- 90 degree rotatable
AND I like the look of the Dell screen, it's build quality is great. Also, this is another example of the UK getting ripped off time and time again. Another example, £425 for a PS3 here, £250 for a PS3 in Japan
Now if I were in the states, and had $900 dollars to place on a screen, I'd save for a small $99 and get a massive 37" 1080p Westy with a multitude of inputs including HDMI. That's $99 for 13" extra display space, and HDMI, good design and reputation!
Apple - you're a rip off.
- 1" extra space
- Extra inputs: VGA/Component & Composite as well as DVi
- Inbuilt multi-card Reader
- 90 degree rotatable
AND I like the look of the Dell screen, it's build quality is great. Also, this is another example of the UK getting ripped off time and time again. Another example, £425 for a PS3 here, £250 for a PS3 in Japan
Now if I were in the states, and had $900 dollars to place on a screen, I'd save for a small $99 and get a massive 37" 1080p Westy with a multitude of inputs including HDMI. That's $99 for 13" extra display space, and HDMI, good design and reputation!
Apple - you're a rip off.
No, the DVI cable attached to it is.
Personally, I'd like just one cable coming out of the base of the monitor (ADC style), going to a break-out box that could be hidden. The box would have a standard power cable and all the inputs in the world on it. I don't want all those cables swimming around my desk (even bundled with zip ties), just like the person you're responding to.
Although now working in a different field, I spent 10 years in print design/production and I concur whole-heartedly. One of the best things about Apple kit is that stuff like colour matching does work pretty much out of the box - in my experience every single time - and that benefit has a significant cash value.
It's very difficult to explain this to people who aren't familiar with the intricacies of print production - I had a similar argument elsewhere a few months ago and it was suggested to me that if I was having trouble getting true colour values on the monitor, I should assign hex values to them.
Sigh ...
The only time I ever had trouble with variance between display and printed colour was using a third party monitor. It may have cost a couple of hundred quid less to buy, but the entire print run that had to be re-done cost rather more than that ...
Cheers!
Jim
If you don't like the "clutter" of additional cable, then don't use it. Sheesh. But for those who would like to attach a second computer to the screen, that additional port would be a godsend. Those people who worry about their desktop-clutter can simply choose to not use the additional port.
Why replace a simple solution (additional port) with an overtly complicated and expensive solution=
Then don't use the additional port. Just because it would be there, does NOT mean that you would be forced to use it. But simply offering the possibility to those who want a second port, does not make your desktop more cluttered.
I really fail to see the problem here.
One thing to note is that finally, these things are competitively priced against the likes of Dell here in the UK - in fact, the 30" is actually cheaper than Dell's offering, and the rest aren't that much more. I think with this in mind, a lot of people are going to say "Ah, screw it" and get the Apple version. It's mighty tempting.
I did this today. Screw dell and their ever-changeing prices. I am soon a member of the 30"-club.
In Sweden its:
15495.00kr for the ACD (with educ)
18227,50 kr for the dell 3007HC.
ACD is ~$400 cheaper.
The dell may be the better screen, but the apple is more beautiful. And the higher second hand value for the ACD clearly makes the Apple a better buy for the time beeing.
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The UK Apple Store has been updated to include the new lower prices for the Cinema Displays:
20" £529 - £399 (-£130)
23" £779 - £599 (-£180)
30" £1549 - £1199 (-£350)
Hooray! Jolly japes & tomfoolery ahoy!
SL