The Apple Genius I talked to this morning has submitted this problem (yellow bottom) to Apple Engineering, and he said he would stay in contact with me and tell me about anything he hears. No timeline on how long it would take or anything like that. He was a very good Genius to work with, and it seemed like he really wanted to fix this problem, since three of the MBPs at the store suffered from the same problem.
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SR MBP LED LCD yellowish and gradients issue
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personally, I keep mine at the brightest setting, because the screen is just too pretty to be dim. Now only if the yellow would go away
But you don't think there is any harm at having them at max brightness?
At max brightness I certainly don't have any yellow. Is this happening from new, or after a few days?
That's what I initially thought about mine.
Sorry to hear about the event at your airport today.
Thanks for your comment. It was quite a shock, as Scotland is not usually affected by these sorts of things and I stay quite close to the airport.
Everyone With A Yellow Tint Issue Check This Out:
Probably should merge these threads:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/322732/
I really hope this is true.
Probably should merge these threads:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/322732/
I really hope this is true.
Well, it sounds like Apple has a gap in its platform, then. Steve seemed to want to imply Apple is going to take gaming seriously at the WWDC, so how about some 'gaming' desktops and laptops, then? Some of us want a mini-tower expandable desktop (because games tend to need faster graphics displays over time than CPU and throwing out the entire computer for lack of a small part update sucks). Likewise, if MBP is for Pros, then shouldn't the regular MB be game capable? Intel GMA 950 means MB is not for games. So if MBP isn't either, then they are missing a model in their lineup.
I don't understand the CPU argument. How can a computer possibly be too fast for gaming? Games evolve and so do their requirements. I'd LOVE to have a computer that's overkill for games in the CPU and graphics departments. That would mean I wouldn't have to replace that computer for several years. Buying a machine that's 'adequate' for today means it will need to be replaced tomorrow.
As for monitors with uneven colors or lighting, I once bought a Mag monitor for my old Amiga 3000 that had a graphics card in it plus pass-through for native modes and I wanted flexibility, seeing at the time it was one of the few capable of both 15kHz and 30+ kHz output and the display was terrible. Colors were uneven across the display and the corners were noticeably darker than the center. I sent it back and bought from another brand, now out of business. It was perfectly even across, but sadly it didn't last but a couple of years. These were all CRTs.
I've got a 19" NEC Multisync95 right now with this PC that I've had for over 5 years, only cost me $250 at the time at Circuit City and it's worked perfectly all this time with no flaws, HD resolutions (up to 1920x1440) and no complaints. While I like the flat displays in terms of size, I'm concerned about refresh rates and quality of the picture compared to CRT.
OTOH, I've got a Panasonic PTXA100U LCD projector for home theater downstairs that is 720P projecting onto a 93" screen and its picture is utterly amazing (save the blacks aren't perfectly black). It does seem to do well with games and there is no dialogue lip-sync delays what-so-ever, so maybe LCDs are improving in those regards.
Regarding someone's earlier point about Macs being made in China....
I really do think it's a shame Apple is following the corporate trends to send American jobs overseas to Communist China. IMO we should not deal with that country period, no matter what monetary gains there is to be had. They won't trade fairly (IMO trade should be 'fair' not 'free' because nations are not equal in economic terms) and I am especially leary of how tainted food is coming into the U.S. from China now. I wouldn't be surprised if this is on purpose either. I don't trust Communist governments and I certainly don't trust any part of my own government that embraces them while telling me piddly Cuba is evil by comparison.
I would happily pay more for U.S. made goods (or goods made in another country on par with the U.S. economically in Western Europe, for example) to NOT support a giant Communist country like China. I believe quality controls would be better as a result as well. You used to be able to at least buy quality electronics from Japan, but sadly now Japan outsources their own manufacturing to other countries like South Korea and even Communist Vietnam. Whereas things like TVs used to last 8-15 years (I've got an old 19" Magnavox TV in my den that is over 20 years old and STILL running just fine), I was told to expect my last 27" CRT TV by Sony to last 4-6 years. It's been around 5 years and it's still running, although it's not heavily used since it's a secondary tv in a dining room (with a 57" HDTV that ran fine for 5 years before I gave it to my mother) being replaced with the 93" projector system I now have in my main family room.
But it's gotten to the point where NOTHING is made in the U.S. anymore. No TVs, no DVD players, very few textiles, etc. Made In The USA is a joke. Even U.S. cars are often made/assembled in Mexico now whereas Japanese cars are increasingly MADE in the U.S. so I buy Japanese cars now (better to support the worker than top executives, IMO).
A friend of mine wanted to buy a new suit and wanted it Made In the USA. He had a HARD time finding ANYONE that sells stuff made here still. He finally found a custom tailor and paid through the nose to get one because the textile base in the U.S. is largely gone due to no tariff protection any longer against countries like China flooding the market here to put us out of business.
So if Apple REALLY wants to differentiate itself in the U.S. from 'common goods', it could make a good part of their lineup here and ADVERTISE that fact within the U.S. I firmly believe a lot of Americans would buy more U.S. goods if they were made aware of what is STILL made here. I know I'm willing to pay more for quality U.S. goods than low quality goods from a Communist country. Maybe that's not the best economic idea for corporations, but I'm no capitalist. Sometimes doing what's best for the country long-term should be more important than next quarter gains. Globalism sounds good until you realize it impacts YOU because some corporate bean counter determined slave labor was the way to make the shareholders more quick money. Sadly, the people that are supposed to be representing the people of this country are selling out to corporate interests because that's who pays for their campaigns. That kind of internal corruption is what eventually killed Rome so long ago. I guess history has a way of repeating itself.
I understand where you're coming from. I had a C64 for most of the '80s, got an Amiga 500 in 1989, bought an Amiga 3000 in 1992 and used it until 1999 before I got my first PC, which I've upgraded but I'm still using, largely for a PC pinball construction set called "Visual Pinball" (I'm a big pinball fan and it lets me recreate real world pinball games on the PC).
I also have a G4 Mac I got a couple of months ago and now that Macs have gone Intel and can run Windows also (via Boot Camp and/or Parallels/Fusion), I plan to buy a brand new Mac in the fall once Leopard is out and hopefully the machines get a hardware refresh with better 3D graphics.
But it seems to me that this idea that Macs aren't really for gaming is going to change very quickly. For one thing, I can now run Windows on a new Mac and that means that the same machine is going to be used for Mac apps *AND* Windows gaming (including my pinball simulator). So right there the Mac hardware is going to be doing a good amount of gaming. Plus it looks like with the advent of Cider, Macs may be getting a considerably larger amount of games in the near future and so hopefully Apple will take that into consideration and start making some Macs that are more gaming friendly (I'd like to see an expandable Mini-Tower in the $1400-1700 range, personally).
You're right, though about the OS being important. I hate Windows and always have. XP really isn't THAT bad, but Vista is DRM crazy and SUPER BLOATED. I'll buy a copy of XP for the new Mac to run Visual Pinball and what not, but I want no part of Vista. Vista is the primary reason I started looking into alternative operating systems.
I do like Linux, but I hate how the various people refuse to work together and come up with some kind of unified standard for app downloading/installing (too many package formats out there) and I don't like the competitive library thing either (KDE versus Gnome and no good communication between the two for things like theming, etc.). There's something wrong when Windows and Mac have one file to download off a site (say for Firefox) and Linux has like a half dozen because of all the different Linux distributions. This also greatly hampers commercial software development for Linux. But try to bring these shortcomings up to Linux devs and you get a mouth full of "choices rule!" type arguments and elitist crap about CLIs being superior and we should all compile all our own software for the best possible speeds on our setups, etc. All of that flies right past those of us that want SIMPLE but ELEGANT computing.
Exactly. Gimp is OK, but Photoshop7 made my graphic editing SOOOO much easier for pinball game development it wasn't even funny and that can be summed up with "REAL TIME TRANSFORM PREVIEWS" which is something Gimp can't do and makes your life MISERABLE with those stupid grids and then loses quality with each additive transform (where I do all my manipulations in Photoshop first and then it does ONE actual render transform for the highest possible quality). I want my playfields and what not looking SHARP, not blurry due to too much additive processing.
Wine is STILL a joke after a decade of development, IMO. Parallels/Fusion has done more in a short couple of years for the Mac than Wine has done in a decade. Suddenly virtualization is a reality for the Mac. I can run Visual Pinball INSIDE MacOSX and if it misbehaves, I lost the virtual Windows at worst and MacOSX keeps on ticking so I can keep on browsing or Photoshopping while virtual Windows reboots. I like that idea a LOT.
I'm not happy for similar reasons. If Apple doesn't want to cater to a traditional computing model (i.e. mid-range expandable desktops), then they should license that sector of hardware to another company (Dell is just begging to do it). If they had appropriate controls for quality in place, it wouldn't/shouldn't affect overall Mac quality and would give those of us that have specific NEEDS a good avenue to take that doesn't cost a fortune or is overkill (i.e. MacPro).
Count me out
About 10 days ago I had the money in place to buy a new MBP ... Then I noticed this "yellow thread".
I have decided not to buy a MBP until this screen situation is resolved, even if it does mean losing out on the educational iPod bonus.
I'll stick with my 6 year-old 500 mHz snow iBook until the coast (screen) is clear.
I don't think I'm the only one who has tightened the purse strings.
Sorry Apple.
About 10 days ago I had the money in place to buy a new MBP ... Then I noticed this "yellow thread".
I have decided not to buy a MBP until this screen situation is resolved, even if it does mean losing out on the educational iPod bonus.
I'll stick with my 6 year-old 500 mHz snow iBook until the coast (screen) is clear.
I don't think I'm the only one who has tightened the purse strings.
Sorry Apple.
I just got my new 15'' Matte MBP and it is wonderful. 1 stuck grey pixel but really non noticeable. Dont notice the 1/3rd yellow issue, however compared to my iBook, side to side, the screen is defiantly warmer. Not a big deal tho, it looks just right when its the only computer im looking at. 
I was wondering about something. You said that in your Apple store you could see the yellowishness. I took mine back last week and could not see the yellowishness in the store lighting but could see it anywhere else at home or work. I haven't bought another yet because I can't get a handle on this situation in terms of is it lighting, hardware or what? Has anyone else seen the yellow screen in the store itself. I'm speaking more of the bottom 1/3 yellowishness. Thanks.
When I first booted up the machine to show the Genius, he didn't notice what I was talking about. But then I loaded up that picture (page 14 of this thread) and told him to compare the two squares, and he immediately saw it. He then asked another Apple guy if he could see something, and he did as well. The replacement he gave me has it as well, and I'm taking it home until I hear back from him, since he contacted Apple Engineering. (According to apple.com, I have a repair case, so hopefully something happens)
If nothing happens by Friday, I think I'm going to ask for a refund.
When I first booted up the machine to show the Genius, he didn't notice what I was talking about. But then I loaded up that picture (page 14 of this thread) and told him to compare the two squares, and he immediately saw it. He then asked another Apple guy if he could see something, and he did as well. The replacement he gave me has it as well, and I'm taking it home until I hear back from him, since he contacted Apple Engineering. (According to apple.com, I have a repair case, so hopefully something happens)
If nothing happens by Friday, I think I'm going to ask for a refund.
I understand. I did get a refund last week on mine as well but was in the Apple Store today after an Iphone(that I must return as I am in a "partnered" AT&T service area so they won't activate it) Geeezzzzzz. and I looked at all the MacBook Pros on display and they look perfect both matte and glossy. So I don't dare buy another until I see what happens. Bad Apple times for me lately. LOL
We looked at the test picture on two MBPs that were on display in the store, and they also showed the yellow tint. So I really have no idea.
those of you who say your mbps have no yellow tint, look for this:
the lower bottom is clearly more yellow than it should be.
That's how mine looked even stright on
those of you who say your mbps have no yellow tint, look for this:
the lower bottom is clearly more yellow than it should be.
Thats how mine looks, but only at it at a side or bottom angle. Head on it looks perfect.
Is this the yellow that everyone is talking about? If so, it must be a pretty big sticker behind the LCD
Anyway, I think this may be just how the new LED backlite screens work. I checked out a Compaq R3000Z laptop that I have and while the screen isnt yellow at the angle, its hard to makeout whats on the screen. What kind of laptop is next to the MBP in the picture?
Any thoughts?
The above pictures do not show the issue we are talking about. The image that correctly identifies this is
All displays shift from left to right depending on your viewing angle, but this issue is when you are looking straight on.
All displays shift from left to right depending on your viewing angle, but this issue is when you are looking straight on.
It is very very hard to capture the yellow tint. The above picture doesn't capture it properly. I can't see anything much in it at all, and I know where to look because I have the same issue.
The original picture posted shows the issue. The viewing angle portrays a huge yellow tint across the screen where as the MacBook doesn't.
The original picture posted shows the issue. The viewing angle portrays a huge yellow tint across the screen where as the MacBook doesn't.
I know, but shifting it at a slight angle makes it more noticeable in photos. I know that the new LEDs become yellow when you look at them from extreme viewing angles, but in the pic I posted, the bottom part is more yellow than the top, which is odd because the yellowness is uniform from an extreme viewing angle, like:
but even from that pic you can see that the bottom is slightly more yellow than the top, which is further proof of this problem.
can someone please post a pic of these screens with nothing but the solid grey background? (from syst. prefs -> desktop & screen saver -> solid colors ->#3)
with the dock hidden.
btw i'm sure if you posted your pic with it being slightly to the side the yellow at the bottom would be more noticeable.
Which image is that? I don't see one on the original post.
Wow, thats a nice comparison pic. Now I'm a bit disappointed that the new LCD backlite screens do this. Most of the time I'm viewing the screen head on, but sometimes my wife and I watch videos in bed. Since we both cant view directly in front of the screen, we both see a slight color difference.
Damn, it's really hard to sort out who have a genuine issue from the people that are just sitting here mesurbating.
For the record, I thought my new 15.4" glossy MBP might have this issue when I first got it. After calibrating the display with an Eye-One Display 2 and a few days of use, I don't see it any more.
/shrug
For the record, I thought my new 15.4" glossy MBP might have this issue when I first got it. After calibrating the display with an Eye-One Display 2 and a few days of use, I don't see it any more.
/shrug
that's on my non-LED 2.33GHZ MBP. I find that to be comfortable for most use, the highest ill go is perhaps a couple of bars above that. I very rarely use it at full brightness (or close to it).