Yo groovebuster....
One method alone can be inaccurate once in while, but there is a tendency overall in different scientific fields that leads to the assumption that the earth and the universe is billions of years old.
True, methods that go beyond C14 dating. But the gentleman you're responding to does, to my limited knowledge at least, make a point. The radio-isotope methods do not produce perfect results.
On the other hand there are so many things proving, that the good old story in the bible just can't be. God put the bones of dinosaurs in the ground because he wanted to see how we make funny assumptions? What about all the stuff they found out in astronomy over the years?
The Bible does talk about God sending (or allowing) a great deception in the last days. But my knowledge of that is sketchy at best.
As for the fossil record, Creationists have their counter-arguments, explaining why/how it in fact supports an intelligent Designer. Have you ever researched that? I am SLOWLY doing so. But there is just so much information out there to study. And time is just never in plentiful supply.
I hear what you're saying about the fossil record. But again, if you haven't, you might want to hear another point of view regarding that fossil record and jump to some creationist sites.
As for "... all the stuff they found out in astronomy over the years", you really need to read up on this stuff a bit more. From what I've been reading lately, evidence for the big bang theory seems to support the idea that there was JUST the right amount of heat dissipation to allow JUST the right amount of necessary elements to form so that JUST the right conditions for life could exist. (Largely this appears to be based on the many studies of the cosmic background radiation over the past decade.)
If it would be for the (christian) church, the earth would be still flat and the sun evolving around the earth. The church is always only giving up positions that are 150% disproved (no 100% are not ebough), and there are even lemmings (no offense) who always believe what the church is telling them beacause it must be the "word of God"!
This is an unfair overgeneralization. Job himself talked about how the earth is suspended on nothing.
Job 26:7 reads: "...He suspends the earth over nothing."
The ancient Catholic Church's stance on things is not indicative of Christianity as a whole or the Bible itself. For crying out loud, they instituted all sorts of things that had more to do with their own lust for power than for a love for God and his people.
To say that "the" church (whichever one that is) is always supporting positions that are (somehow) 150% disproven, that has sometimes been true, and sometimes Christians, going on the Bible, knew things that archaeologists didn't know until they eventually got around to digging up the evidence.
As for lemmings always believing what the church tells them, you're right. But you seem to be guilty of something similare, spewing out some things you've heard without seriously investigating it from both sides.
But I agree with what you said to a point. Too many times I've heard ignorant people who probably (I'm assuming here) read a tract or small booklet in their local Christian bookstore and then think they can wipe out the knowledge of paleontologists or geologists with one magical sentence. And of course, all they do is fuel perceptions such as yours after said scientists twist their words around their throats with great adeptness.
I tell you what... I am also christian, but I don't care at all, how God maybe created the world, because it has nothing to do with being a christian at all! It is just about how you interact with your environment with Jesus as a role model. That's it!
I disagree. I believe that evolution and Christianity completely invalidate each other. I've already explained in another recent thread, but I'll see if I can outline it quickly here.
1) Evolution assumes death before the spiritual fall of man in Eden. In fact, it assume no spiritual fall at all. Genesis clearly states that man knew no death until after he committed his first sin. Evolution depends on the survival of the strongest, implying the death of the weakest from the very beginning of life on earth.
2) This survival-of-the-fittest system is inconsistent with the character of the Judeo-Christian God. You ain't strong enough? Too bad. You die. I can just see Jesus preaching that.
3) Evolution seems to imply that if a deity was responsible for the evolution of life on earth, he/she/it seemed more to be experimenting and perfecting their creation over time. The omniscient Judeo-Christian God has no need for experimentation.
4) Finally, if all sin is is a collection of animal passions inherited from our apelike ancestors, then God clearly has no right to hold us accountable and send us to Hell for those things. If we are the result of his grand, eons-long project, having selfish tendencies that together are called sin in the Bible (such as a self-centered survival instinct, lust for more than one mate, etc.) is nothing more than being exactly what God created us to be. And yet, the Judeo-Christian God felt it necessary to allow Himself to be brutally murdered for those mere animal instincts so that we could have eternal fellowship with Him. That might make sense to you, but it makes none for me.
The bible of course is not accurate because how can a human being that, scientifically spoken , had the knowledge of 4 y.o. compared to today explain correctly how the world was created? A person that didn't even know how big the world is and only knew his little sand-box where he lived?
To say that the Bible is not accurate is to assume its writers were not divinely inspired. To assume that unravels the foundations of Christianity. You can not call yourself a Christian if you believe this, at least not by using the definition of the word as it was originally intended ("little Christ", meant mockingly--but actually quite complimentary--if memory serves, by the people of ancient Antioch).
But even if he would have been able to write it down (enlightened by God), would the other kids understand what he is saying? No, because the also don't have the horizon to get it.
Horizon?!? Um, anyway...
As a Christian, I believe God told us in the way that we needed to know, in a way that could best be understood. Of course, that is just a belief, nothing provable there. But of course, the same could be said for some of what you've said.
However, I also believe that the people in ancient times were no different than we are today. I do not believe human intelligence or the human heart has changed since the day we were created. I believe that if God wanted to reveal some scientific detail about His creation, they could have absorbed it.
It was not God who created the amenities of today's life, it was science. Think about it the next time you sit in your car...
Heh. It was intelligent design that created the automobile (a device believed to be causing severe environmental breakdown I might add). But the vastly more complex living cell formed accidentally.
Look, I understand what you're saying, but some of your arguments are without merit. Just like some of the things my fellow born-againers come out with are ignorant and ill-informed.
