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Apple Extending Trademark to Include Hand Held Gaming

diamond.g said:
Like Sony did right? ;)


I would be interested in seeing if Apple could compete with the "big boys" and not sell their system at a loss like the "big boys" do (well with the exception of the Wii).
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Syrus28 said:
Apple...Hardcore gaming... No way. If so, they better be ready to lose some money. Which is totally against everything Apple does. They sell their products at a premium, which is something they just can't do in the hardcore gaming business.


What is the PSP competing against? What was the PS2 competing against? Both Nintendo. Just because the Wii is suddenly going after a different crowd doesn't mean they never competed.

Sony competed directly with Nintendo with the PS1. Sony competed directed with Nintendo with the DS. Microsoft competed directly against Nintendo with the Xbox.
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im srry i didnt make my self clear. when i said nintendo i mean wii lol
yes the n64 competed w/ the ps1 and the GC competed w/ the Xbox and PS2. but this generation they have their own market and are not competing w/ anyone.
 
DanB91 said:
im srry i didnt make my self clear. when i said nintendo i mean wii lol
yes the n64 competed w/ the ps1 and the GC competed w/ the Xbox and PS2. but this generation they have their own market and are not competing w/ anyone.
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Wii : 5-99 yr old
360: 18-34 yr old
PS3: 18-34 yr old


Seems to me that the Wii competes with the 360/PS3 unless you are saying the Wii is 5-17, 35-99.

You don't see more games like No More Heroes on the Wii due to how much of a suprise it was. E3 2005 the Wii was a joke. The PS3 was basically going to win the war. Same sentiment E3 2006. It wasn't until E3 2007 that the Wii was showing signs of becoming a juggernaught. Now everyone wants to make a game for the Wii. More and more mature games will show up, just give it time. It takes about 12-18 months to crank out games so we should start seeing stuff this year.

The sad truth of the matter? The 360 still sells more software than the Wii and PS3 combined, it's attach rate is like 7 or 8 games per system.
 
diamond.g said:
Wii : 5-99 yr old
360: 18-34 yr old
PS3: 18-34 yr old


Seems to me that the Wii competes with the 360/PS3 unless you are saying the Wii is 5-17, 35-99.
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Yep. As long as somewhere out there someone is contemplating whether to get a Wii or 360/PS3, the systems will compete.

You don't see more games like No More Heroes on the Wii due to how much of a suprise it was. E3 2005 the Wii was a joke. The PS3 was basically going to win the war. Same sentiment E3 2006. It wasn't until E3 2007 that the Wii was showing signs of becoming a juggernaught. Now everyone wants to make a game for the Wii. More and more mature games will show up, just give it time. It takes about 12-18 months to crank out games so we should start seeing stuff this year.
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Don't forget that the 360 has such a high rate of profit for hard core games that much of the attention goes toward that also. And the multiplatform games which include the Wii usually leave the Wii getting the shaft.

The sad truth of the matter? The 360 still sells more software than the Wii and PS3 combined, it's attach rate is like 7 or 8 games per system.
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Yep. The 360's attach rate for accessories is higher than both combined too. Partly because the PS3 just has no software, and because the Wii is more casual.
 
pomus said:
Don't think of buttons as big bulky buttons that cover your screen area; of them more as interactive icons/items that are a part of the navigational system.

e.g. think of your finger touching an icon (ammo, sword) which could be compared to the pointer in the wii.
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I'm thinking I'm thinking...nonetheless, I'm just about crushing the gamepad when I'm playing Gran Turismo 4, I'd leave pick and drag marks on the screen if it wasn't for the screen protector playing Bejeweled or Solitaire, and you don't even wanna know what I'm doing with the pistols on that arcade game at the local theater... :D

Also, I did play with some iPhones and iTouches, and St. Jobs and his apostles can ramble on til the end of times, it's a fiddly imprecise UI barely fit to take notes or enter a URL. Games? Sure, whatever. Pong maybe, or Dope Wars, or things of that level.
 
As much as I love apple, I don't think they'll win in the gaming console market....
DS and Wii are too...grand to beat even with super duper graphics capability like the PS3.
Apple needs a lot of ideas to beat Nintendo at the moment...

Who knows what the successor of DS would look like...
 
Syrus28 said:
Uhh... Im talking Hand-held Gaming. Now rethink your statement.




I agree. Nintendo is the only platform who's 1 source of income is gaming. Now look at Apple, they could care less about gaming. How would the two mix? Just because they both have products with similar aesthetics doesn't mean they would be a perfect mix. What would Apple bring that Nintendo doesn't have? It definetly isn't their gaming expertise. They have brand recognition down... So... I think Nintendo should stay as is.
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yeah, i don't think Apple would fit into the gaming market, but if they did it would be reasonable for them to partner up. The other two big names are Sony & Microsoft, which are huge competitors. So the only big company I can see them partnering up with is Nintendo. Besides aesthetics, Nintendo is also revolutionizing video games and I can see Apple and Ninetendo coming together with some sort of Wii + Mac deal. Im not sure. Im just saying that if Apple were to ever get into the gaming industry, which I don't think would be that great of a move, their best option is to partner up with a company like Ninetendo who is focussed solely on gaming, and so forth. Sony and Microsoft partnerships would never go down as easily.
 
happydude said:
maybe apple and nintendo will combine forces and create the iWii!!!
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Dreamer2go said:
I always wanted that to happen.
Win Win situation.
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Keep dreaming, because it will never happen. I'd *love* to be proven wrong, but knowing what I know about both Apple and Nintendo, this is simply a pipe dream.

I really think this trademark thing is related to Apple's comments on the iPod Touch/iPhone in that these have created a "new platform." I also think that this will bring casual gaming to AppleTV, but a full blown gaming console? I really doubt it.

w00master
 
Why would Nintendo ~merge~ with Apple? What does Apple have to offer Nintendo?


1.) Nintendo is a household name with much more weight than Apple around the world. Especially in the Gaming world.

2.) Nintendo is rolling in $$$$ from its personal cash printing machines known as the Wii and DS.

3.) Nintendo has the "design aesthetics" down with the DS Lite.

4.) Nintendo is the king of hand-helds. Always has been. Always will be.

So, Again, why?

And the gaming world isn't just something you jump in to without willing to loose a couple billion dollars. If Apple were to buy Nintendo, they should have did it 2 years ago. That's right. Nintendo's market Value is $85 Billion. They are Japan's 2nd biggest company behind Toyota. They are worth more than Sony. Apple couldn't buy them now if they wanted to...
 
First post! :)

Normally I don't post as someone usually mentions what I want to say .. but not this time.

As a hard core gamer I think you're all missing a bit of the bigger picture .. I have a 24" iMac, which I bought a couple of months ago. I love OSX but I still use bootcamp for WinXP. Why? To play games. What games do I play? Anything on Steam. What's Steam? It's an online gaming distribution platform for games like Half-Life 2, Call of Duty 4, Quake Wars and the number of games on it is increasing all the time.

Now, we've already read that Apple have approached Valve (The owners of Steam) on more than one occasion to ask them to develop Steam for the Mac platform. I believe a figure of 1 million was mentioned. Apple didn't want to play. But hang on a minute, doesn't Apple already have an distribution platform of their own? Which could be used for gaming? Yes, it's called iTunes!!

If Apple really wanted to get into games on the Mac, it really wouldn't take much. They just need to get developers on board, which haven't they already done with id and EA. Increase the number, add to iTunes and away they go!!

Oh, and improve the gfx hardware a little bit too :p
 
Can we finally get that sit-down arcade game that has Wavy Navy &
Lode Runner on it?

Also, a Mac version of Rescue Raiders would be appreciated.

Thank You,
 
AdiFish said:
First post! :)
If Apple really wanted to get into games on the Mac, it really wouldn't take much. They just need to get developers on board, which haven't they already done with id and EA. Increase the number, add to iTunes and away they go!!

Oh, and improve the gfx hardware a little bit too :p
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Well I don't know about id and EA being enough to carry the platform. And I don't think the other big-name devs would be to quick to jump on a platform so poorly designed for gaming. When I say that, I mean that the only computer capable of playing most of the games the big name developers produce is the Mac Pro and maybe the MacBook Pro. And on top of that, the Mac platform tops out at around 8% of the computer industry. Its just not that attractive for them.
 
Syrus28 said:
Well I don't know about id and EA being enough to carry the platform. And I don't think the other big-name devs would be to quick to jump on a platform so poorly designed for gaming. When I say that, I mean that the only computer capable of playing most of the games the big name developers produce is the Mac Pro and maybe the MacBook Pro. And on top of that, the Mac platform tops out at around 8% of the computer industry. Its just not that attractive for them.
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While it's true that it's not the best gfx out there, the iMac is able to play quite happily games like HL2 and Quake-Wars with the highest settings ... I know because I play them :)

Even Crysis, which is regarded as one of the hardest games on gfx power can be played on an iMac .. Yes, I have to play it on fairly low settings, but it can be played and enjoyed at full 24" goodness :)

I agree id and EA can't do it all by themselves, but it's a start in the right direction. Oh, and it's a chicken and egg scenario isn't it? Gaming companies won't develop for the Mac platform until there are enough people, and gamers won't come to the Mac platform until there are games. Someone may as well break the deadlock and it might as well be Apple. Perhaps starting off with the smaller/easier/cheaper games and building from there.
 
The way apple has neglected games on macs, it's hard to believe they would go into the handheld-gaming market. They'll being putting some games on the Ipod touch/iPhone, but don't expect anything big. You guys are getting excited over nothing.
 
I just don't see this being a good move for apple. I have a 360 and love it. Besides, like many I've already made my console purchase for this generation. If apple comes in next generation then maybe, but how will I play my large library of 360 games?

Anyways, good luck apple.
 
I'd love to see it, and i'd be first in line to buy one if it came out...

But to be truthful i don't see it happening anytime soon...

But if it where to happen i'd be thinking about 26FEB as a likely date.
 
So far Apple has developed great things as they were concentrating on their core competence. But now it seems they want to be on every market there is out there just for the sake of it. Thus they neglect more important stuff (like releasing an OS that actually does what they promised it would do...). Not good for us, their customers, not good for Apple.

What's next? The iOvenMitt??
 
Alphadorian said:
Why can't Apple focus more on gaming for the Mac? Is there really a bigger market for these handheld games?
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Sure is, iPod/iPhone games may well get much bigger than the Xbox360.

In 2 years and 7 months the Xbox sold 17 million consoles and the games cost $50-60, Nintento moves about 40 million Game Boy Advance handhelds per year and games cost $40-50.

Imagine minimum 30 million high-end iPod and iPhone sales per year and games that cost $5, gaming will be huge and Apple's toys may well become more popular than de Gameboy. The growth potential is enormous, AAPL can easily quadruple over the next few years.
 
Bonte said:
Sure is, iPod/iPhone games may well get much bigger than the Xbox360.

In 2 years and 7 months the Xbox sold 17 million consoles and the games cost $50-60, Nintento moves about 40 million Game Boy Advance handhelds per year and games cost $40-50.

Imagine minimum 30 million high-end iPod and iPhone sales per year and games that cost $5, gaming will be huge and Apple's toys may well become more popular than de Gameboy. The growth potential is enormous, AAPL can easily quadruple over the next few years.
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I am not sure where you are from, but DS games aren't 40-50 dollars. You may be thinking of the PSP.

I also know that game developers will want to charge more than 5 dollars for some games.

I would be very impressed if Apple could ever topple Nintendo in the handheld game market. No one has been able to in the two decades that Nintendo has been playing in the market.
 
I really hope all this talk is unfounded. I feel like Apple is already stretched and neglecting some of their base.
 
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