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Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard - What, Where, When, Why & How much
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You can't figure out by going to your widget currency converter yourself?
It's 21 euros or 18 Sterlings.
Why do I have a feeling that 10.7 is going to be a huge upgrade?
Did anybody notice in the keynote video yesterday how Apple was intentionally wording the possibility of a GUI change for Finder? The wording and the tone felt like he was trying to say "We completely rewrite the Finder in 64bit Cocoa but kept the same GUI because we just want to focus on cleaning up the code but get it ready for future changes like well i dunno...a brand new GUI".
Another reason 10.7 is going to be huge upgrade, now it is one single 64bit kernel codebase that they will just work on. OpenCL/GDC will be even more optimized and this time the new GUI will take advantage of it even more.
Can't wait to see what they can do with 10.7.
I know me too but they're going to have to add a lot to get people to cough up 129 George Washingtons.
I figure a new UI is a shoe in
I figure that we'll either get ZFS or a replacement
But what I can't figure is what type of sizzle is Apple going to announce that hooks consumers? Luckily we're two years away from worrying about that.
I was looking for an official price, we get different tax/VAT etc here, thats why i asked, the price wont be the price in dollars simply converted.
Just look at the Apple.com and other apps redesign to become more finger friendly. The move towards bringing more iPhone like experiences forges a way for a multitouch tablet.
Speaking of which, would it be a MacBook Touch, or a MBP Touch?
Erica Ogg at Cnet sees that gap in the lineup here
APC asks the same thing http://www.macdailynews.com/index.p...book_lineup_paving_the_way_for_macbook_touch/
The MacBOok is white and polycarbonate, but it's a mover - it outperformed some of the the previous generation unibodies.
Knowing Apple it will probably be 29 [local currency] or $29 USD, which ever is higher.
Ah, I see what you mean. But if Apple doesn't confirm the UK, neither can any of us here. All I can tell you is what the currency converter can give you as baseline. It will either higher than 21 considering the VAT/Tax you are talking about.
What price do you see for Leopard copy? Is it 129 Euros? It should give you an idea what to expect.
It's unlikely the NDA will ever be lifted. Instead, more content will become public and therefore not covered by the NDA.
Snow Leopard - Intel only
Snow Leopard - Not for PPC users
No Snow Leopard for PowerPC users. Apple's 10.6 list of technical requirements:
- Mac computer with an Intel processor
- 1GB of memory
- 5GB of free disk space
- DVD drive for installation
Since the move over to Intel was done by mid 2006, that's a 3 or more year run, and PPC users can still use Leopard.
Snow Leopard Server:
- Mac with Intel processor
- 2GB of RAM
- 10GB of available disk space
Buying a server on of after June 8? Get an upgrade for $9.95. More info on updating from 10.5 coming June 16, 2009.
10.6, Entourage & Entourage for Exchange Web Services
Apple shows Exchange services of Snow Leopard (which shine when you've got an Exchange 2007 server). Entourage is a not so good Mac version of Outlook. Info from Seth Weintraub:
The hints in the name - 2007. Microsoft waits a day, then... releases information on a new Entourage project - "Exchange Web Services"
Improvements over the current Entourage Exchange support:
Bar logging, Apple's showed the other 3 points in Snow Leopard.
More details on Exposé & Dock
Gizmodo provides more details
Exposé has a new look - Windows arranged in a grid with the title of each window appears underneath
![Dock_Expose_top.jpg]()
Stacks - folder contents that pop up from the Dock are tweaked - e.g. You can scroll to see all the files in a stack without clicking the "More" arrow; folders appearing in stacks can be opened and browsed, too
When you click and hold an app icon in the Dock, all the windows open in that app will reveal themselves in the Exposé grid, lined up neatly. Obvious sign of a move to a multitouch friendly/optimised interface?
With a key command/ cursor gesture you can zoom in to one of the open windows, and check it out without leaving Exposé
If you grab a file, you can drag it to the dock and hold it over an app icon. This springs open App and arranges the open windows of that app in Exposé, so you can easily drop the file where it needs to go.
WWDC 2009 Keynote
Stream version here
HD stream version here
Podcast version here
10/6 H.264 Hardware Acceleration, OpenCL requirements
Macrumors
10.6's Specifications page details about hardware support for both H.264 acceleration & OpenCL:
You need a Nvidia 9400M containing Mac for support for H.264 hardware acceleration (I'd imagine they'd open it up to recent Mac Pros too). "Hardware decoding of H.264 video improves the performance of video playback while leaving your computer's CPU free for other tasks"
GPUs supporting OpenCL include:
NVIDIA
Geforce 8600M GT
GeForce 8800 GT
GeForce 8800 GTS
Geforce 9400M
GeForce 9600M GT
GeForce GT 120
GeForce GT 130
ATI
Radeon 4850
Radeon 4870
Quicktime X movie capture doesn't say you need a specific GPU at least.
Benchmark figures
Snow Leopard Server figures
Mail Server Performance 1.7x
File Server Performance (SMB) 2.3x
File Server Performance (NFS) 2.0x
File Server Performance (AFP) 1.3x
Java Server Performance 1.3x
Snow Leopard and Enterprise
Article from ComputerWorld here.
WIth Snow Leopard bringing Exchange Support, and presumably Snow Leopard bringing both that and also it's own alternative, it's looking better.
Snow Leopard - Not for PPC users
No Snow Leopard for PowerPC users. Apple's 10.6 list of technical requirements:
- Mac computer with an Intel processor
- 1GB of memory
- 5GB of free disk space
- DVD drive for installation
Since the move over to Intel was done by mid 2006, that's a 3 or more year run, and PPC users can still use Leopard.
Snow Leopard Server:
- Mac with Intel processor
- 2GB of RAM
- 10GB of available disk space
Buying a server on of after June 8? Get an upgrade for $9.95. More info on updating from 10.5 coming June 16, 2009.
10.6, Entourage & Entourage for Exchange Web Services
Apple shows Exchange services of Snow Leopard (which shine when you've got an Exchange 2007 server). Entourage is a not so good Mac version of Outlook. Info from Seth Weintraub:
The hints in the name - 2007. Microsoft waits a day, then... releases information on a new Entourage project - "Exchange Web Services"
Improvements over the current Entourage Exchange support:
- Enhanced Autodiscover service to keep user account settings up to date after account setup
- Synchronization between Exchange Server & Entourage 2008 Notes, Tasks,, Categories
- Use of attachments in Entourage for Exchange calendar events
- An Enable Logging (troubleshooting) preference, for diagnostic information
Bar logging, Apple's showed the other 3 points in Snow Leopard.
More details on Exposé & Dock
Gizmodo provides more details
Exposé has a new look - Windows arranged in a grid with the title of each window appears underneath
Stacks - folder contents that pop up from the Dock are tweaked - e.g. You can scroll to see all the files in a stack without clicking the "More" arrow; folders appearing in stacks can be opened and browsed, too
When you click and hold an app icon in the Dock, all the windows open in that app will reveal themselves in the Exposé grid, lined up neatly. Obvious sign of a move to a multitouch friendly/optimised interface?
With a key command/ cursor gesture you can zoom in to one of the open windows, and check it out without leaving Exposé
If you grab a file, you can drag it to the dock and hold it over an app icon. This springs open App and arranges the open windows of that app in Exposé, so you can easily drop the file where it needs to go.
WWDC 2009 Keynote
Stream version here
HD stream version here
Podcast version here
10/6 H.264 Hardware Acceleration, OpenCL requirements
Macrumors
10.6's Specifications page details about hardware support for both H.264 acceleration & OpenCL:
You need a Nvidia 9400M containing Mac for support for H.264 hardware acceleration (I'd imagine they'd open it up to recent Mac Pros too). "Hardware decoding of H.264 video improves the performance of video playback while leaving your computer's CPU free for other tasks"
GPUs supporting OpenCL include:
NVIDIA
Geforce 8600M GT
GeForce 8800 GT
GeForce 8800 GTS
Geforce 9400M
GeForce 9600M GT
GeForce GT 120
GeForce GT 130
ATI
Radeon 4850
Radeon 4870
Quicktime X movie capture doesn't say you need a specific GPU at least.
Benchmark figures
Snow Leopard Server figures
Mail Server Performance 1.7x
File Server Performance (SMB) 2.3x
File Server Performance (NFS) 2.0x
File Server Performance (AFP) 1.3x
Java Server Performance 1.3x
Snow Leopard and Enterprise
Article from ComputerWorld here.
WIth Snow Leopard bringing Exchange Support, and presumably Snow Leopard bringing both that and also it's own alternative, it's looking better.
Attachments
A Dev friend has the new build on an external. Coming to borrow it tonight and have a play 
EDIT: How bout some new screens instead of stuff we already knew
From giga at GAF
The copy dialog now offers a "keep both" option when two files have the same name:
![3613237467_80a14ae6be_o.png]()
Auto time-zone:
![3614056064_4e3c721325_o.png]()
Services are more useful now under contextual menus:
![3614056158_c52fcf3933_o.png]()
As well as the regular location:
![3614056292_8f2d2133a7_o.png]()
Another example of contextual menus services, finally:
![3614056422_e6c617fc47_o.png]()
Almost everything is 64-bit, these are still 32-bit still (Carbon I suppose):
![3614056534_24165a463c_o.png]()
Airport in the menubar actually shows signal strength, opt+click brings more details than before:
![3613238201_e68642f72b_o.png]()
Flash Player is included by default:
![3613238327_f90c772f5e_o.png]()
If you have an Apple Bluetooth KB, it shows a percentage now instead of the bars:
![3613238427_ee04e5a250_o.png]()
Preview annotations have received a major upgrade. Lots of things you can customize and do now:
![3613238661_98bf06de45_o.png]()
Search result options finally have more sorting options (and you can see screenshots have more useful names):
![3614057210_bfe6feaf9a_o.png]()
Movie/Audio/Screen recording in Quicktime 10:
![3614057444_289e0f6317_o.png]()
Clippings can finally be copy/pasted and Quick Looked:
![3613239103_bc8f0a9cc3_o.png]()
You can delay the unlock screen after sleep/screensaver:
![3614057618_94a6767b7c_o.png]()
Finder can be set to search the current folder by default now:
![3614057692_1f278b56f6_o.png]()
DMG icon finally 512px:
![3614057792_abebe362b5_o.png]()
EDIT: How bout some new screens instead of stuff we already knew
From giga at GAF
The copy dialog now offers a "keep both" option when two files have the same name:
Auto time-zone:
Services are more useful now under contextual menus:
As well as the regular location:
Another example of contextual menus services, finally:
Almost everything is 64-bit, these are still 32-bit still (Carbon I suppose):
Airport in the menubar actually shows signal strength, opt+click brings more details than before:
Flash Player is included by default:
If you have an Apple Bluetooth KB, it shows a percentage now instead of the bars:
Preview annotations have received a major upgrade. Lots of things you can customize and do now:
Search result options finally have more sorting options (and you can see screenshots have more useful names):
Movie/Audio/Screen recording in Quicktime 10:
Clippings can finally be copy/pasted and Quick Looked:
You can delay the unlock screen after sleep/screensaver:
Finder can be set to search the current folder by default now:
DMG icon finally 512px:
A Dev friend has the new build on an external. Coming to borrow it tonight and have a play
Nice post! I'm really excited for Snow Leopard now. It looks very polished!
Are the scroll bars still drawn with the Extras.rsrc file?
Cheers Sky Blue
Anyone got questions for those with access to the Developer Preview?
Some starters
- What's happening to ZFS?
- Benchmarks - quantify that Snappyness™ (e.g. manipulating pictures, video etc)
- Any word on that 5GB smaller footprint?
- Most impressive new feature?
- Improvements on a machine by machine basis (i'd imagine the Mac Pro / MBP / 9400M and up users would be v keen to hear on what it can offer currently)
- Does it look on track for September/ earlier/later?
- Looking at GCD, threads, OpenCL etc - how easy to implement?
One thing to note - those that aren't showing yet as 64 bit include iTunes, Front Row, DVD Player. anyone want to wager that we haven't seen all the changes to iTunes, ATV yet? Maybe something June 16/17th? As for grapher - is that scientific? I thuoght they were doing some work on that at WWDC?
Anyone got questions for those with access to the Developer Preview?
Some starters
- What's happening to ZFS?
- Benchmarks - quantify that Snappyness™ (e.g. manipulating pictures, video etc)
- Any word on that 5GB smaller footprint?
- Most impressive new feature?
- Improvements on a machine by machine basis (i'd imagine the Mac Pro / MBP / 9400M and up users would be v keen to hear on what it can offer currently)
- Does it look on track for September/ earlier/later?
- Looking at GCD, threads, OpenCL etc - how easy to implement?
One thing to note - those that aren't showing yet as 64 bit include iTunes, Front Row, DVD Player. anyone want to wager that we haven't seen all the changes to iTunes, ATV yet? Maybe something June 16/17th? As for grapher - is that scientific? I thuoght they were doing some work on that at WWDC?
Quicktime X hardware acceleration needs to support more GPU IMO
ZFS is probably not gonna be an option until 10.7 and who knows Apple may roll their own as they really don't need Enterprise level features.
OpenCL sounds nice in theory but I think we're a generation of hardware and software away from it becoming a peer level processor for GPGPU needs.
I think Grand Central Dispatch and Blocks is more important at this point. I'm definitely thinking that Aperture, Logic Studio and Final Cut Studio will effectively use it.
Is the OpenGL included 3.0 or 3.1?
Is Automator faster (I hope so especially now that it integrates with Services) ?
What's the status of Resolution Independence and why is this feature the "Duke Nuke'em Forever" of OS X?
ZFS is probably not gonna be an option until 10.7 and who knows Apple may roll their own as they really don't need Enterprise level features.
OpenCL sounds nice in theory but I think we're a generation of hardware and software away from it becoming a peer level processor for GPGPU needs.
I think Grand Central Dispatch and Blocks is more important at this point. I'm definitely thinking that Aperture, Logic Studio and Final Cut Studio will effectively use it.
Is the OpenGL included 3.0 or 3.1?
Is Automator faster (I hope so especially now that it integrates with Services) ?
What's the status of Resolution Independence and why is this feature the "Duke Nuke'em Forever" of OS X?
I can do this in Tiger. I set up an action to do that and installed it as a Finder contextual menu item.
SL WWDC09 DP build 10A380 is leaked.
Umm........yea has a friend on external drive... he says its good. Here's what he noted.
Couple of things to point out [will update continuously]:
1) Dock Expose doesn't seem to work in this build
2) Text Expansion is not like textxpander. There's no keyboard shortcut to expand the text. it takes like 5 sec to change from (c) to the actual symbol the first time but after you start to use it more often, it'll show up immediately. However, there's no system-wide support for it. It depends on Cocoa applications apparently. It won't work in Firefox. For all the Cocoa apps, you must select each "text" field to enable text replacements. Which mean you have to right click, go to Substitutions, Select Text Replacement.
3) Preview takes screenshots from File Menu, Annotations seem to work on all image files as well, not just PDF. Can put multiple PDFs in one Preview Window.
4) Safari with "crash resistance" You can see the flash player as a separate process.
![screenshoton20090610at4g.png]()
5) Quicklook Full Screen is really full screen, it takes up the whole screen. For example, if you have a PDF, it'll fill the width of the pdf to the screen, not fit the PDF to the page size.
Umm........yea has a friend on external drive... he says its good. Here's what he noted.
Couple of things to point out [will update continuously]:
1) Dock Expose doesn't seem to work in this build
2) Text Expansion is not like textxpander. There's no keyboard shortcut to expand the text. it takes like 5 sec to change from (c) to the actual symbol the first time but after you start to use it more often, it'll show up immediately. However, there's no system-wide support for it. It depends on Cocoa applications apparently. It won't work in Firefox. For all the Cocoa apps, you must select each "text" field to enable text replacements. Which mean you have to right click, go to Substitutions, Select Text Replacement.
3) Preview takes screenshots from File Menu, Annotations seem to work on all image files as well, not just PDF. Can put multiple PDFs in one Preview Window.
4) Safari with "crash resistance" You can see the flash player as a separate process.
5) Quicklook Full Screen is really full screen, it takes up the whole screen. For example, if you have a PDF, it'll fill the width of the pdf to the screen, not fit the PDF to the page size.
Tangent
Just a quick tangent -
Check
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/0...videos-like-web-pages-why-cant-flash-do-that/ out
Video will be interactive by Firefox 3.5. I'm thinking that plus multitouch would be rather nifty. Take that Flash...
Just a quick tangent -
Check
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/0...videos-like-web-pages-why-cant-flash-do-that/ out
Video will be interactive by Firefox 3.5. I'm thinking that plus multitouch would be rather nifty. Take that Flash...
The "More" sub menu has disappeared. Have folder actions disappeared from Snow Leopard?
And do other programs now add directly to the main menu rather than a sub menu like in Leopard?