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The Next Big MMO?
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What the heck does 4 mil subs mean in a f2p game? Honestly, I've never heard anyone I know played that game. Either that or it just never comes up in conversation. But WoW somehow creaps into convo once in a while.
It's massive for a new dev team and their first game. In the West. It wasn't subs, but players as it's f2p. Each expansion, although pegged as a game on it's own, was full priced however. Do you know kaixin? Nope you don't. But that doesn't mean it isn't massive. How many boxes did Warhammer get, one of the strongest RPG IPs out there? 4 mill? Nope. And GW was an original IP.
So yeah, GW is The success story out there.
I'm not a GW guy, or a WoW guys or w/e. I play all MMOs when I can, so I'm speaking objectively on the numbers.
I agree that GW is a success based on subscription numbers, but I tried it and thought it was inferior to WoW. You get what you pay for?
Seriously I think for dedicated parties it could be ok, but I don't like 100% instanced questing space which is counter immersive imo because part of the appeal of a MMO, what makes it seem real is the chance of running into other players in the countryside, which can't happen in GW.
Now, the in-development GW might be better along with it's subscription as long as it is not 100% instanced questing space.
An MMO on the iPad sounds ridiculously awesome.
Unless you've heard something I have not, Apple's ipad feature page says nada about games. You basically need something that supports Shaders 3 these days.
I think torchlight the mmo will be the next big thing. free to play, coming out in a few years will mean many people will try it, and also bored with WoW.
Quite a few have if you look at the older posts. Been telling Huntn to try it but he's a weenie.
Quite a few have if you look at the older posts. Been telling Huntn to try it but he's a weenie.
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I've got this mental block about riding around in a space ship collecting stuff, battling others, and getting my ship wiped out and starting from scratch, as what I want to do in a MMO. I realize "starting from scratch" is an exaggeration. Just said it to be annoying! I did that in Terminus and on Steam recently (on another game of which the name eludes me) solo and while it was ok, it did not hold my attention long term.
BTW, is the Mac Eve client good, as good in performance as the pc client?
Guh, yea. I didn't find it enjoyable at all, was like an ungracious hark back to early 90's space exploration gaming.
I think "the next big MMO" is going to have to be accessible and enjoyable to most. I could see a Torchlight MMO being quite successful given how visually similar it is to WoW and the gameplay (at least of the original) is straightforward, deep and enjoyable.
I ditched Aion and am playing DDO. I am liking DDO because all my rl friends play together. When we played Aion everybody just solo grinded. Aion PVP was kinda crappy as well, it was only fun playing assassins and ganking in Asmo-land (or Elyos-land). Sold my 44 Templar for a good amount of $$$ though.
Anyway I like DDO precisely because it is like Diablo. Dungeon running is a lot of fun when the party members are your rl friends that you can talk to.
Anyway I like DDO precisely because it is like Diablo. Dungeon running is a lot of fun when the party members are your rl friends that you can talk to.
Can you extrapolate? Thanks.
Torchlight is more like Diablo than WoW. There are no outdoor areas to speak of, all dungeons if I'm thinking of the right game.
I can see that. Same reason GWs could be fun with a dedicated party.
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I've got this mental block about riding around in a space ship collecting stuff, battling others, and getting my ship wiped out and starting from scratch, as what I want to do in a MMO. I realize "starting from scratch" is an exaggeration. Just said it to be annoying! I did that in Terminus and on Steam recently (on another game of which the name eludes me) solo and while it was ok, it did not hold my attention long term.
BTW, is the Mac Eve client good, as good in performance as the pc client?
It's not THAT bad. You just have to be more thoughful about what you spend and can afford to lose. You can loose very little and still have fun. It's not like you don't loose anythnig in WoW. Not talking about repairing armor either. I don't know about you but I found it pretty annoying to make some long axe runs from the graveyard and repeating spawns. Spending time is a loss too. It just has a lot more deph than most other MMO's and there's less "guidance" by the game. After a while everything gets boring no matter how good it is. This game is just a little different from the standard fantasy RPG MMO.
Nothing is better than the PC. Especially since you can add all these upgrades to it and DX10 (which EVE has). But if that doesn't matter that much to you, EVE doesn't allow interfacing like WoW. So it's not like you're going to miss out on that many add-ons. 3rd party desktop based utilities are another story of course, but that's always a Mac problem since less ppl use it.
No it doesn't. It would be like those cheezy MMO's. World of FarmVille Online. If you want ot play a real MMO on a pad, you'll have to get one of those HP's or Acers.
That's the thing though, with the iPad, a whole new type of "MMO" could come out, something that we can't really assume now... As long as the graphics of the iPad support half decent graphics in a game, it has possibilities.
Mac version is on the same server as the PC version? Or I should say all the servers are linked? Thanks.
There's only one "server"....which is a bunch of linked computers, yes.
There's a Chinese server I think, but you can't play on it. They don't want us corrupting their people.
The interface is the same. In the days when the Mac client was still new, there were many complaints about stability & such, since it was actually running on a Cider translation layer (I think it still is? I'm not entirely sure).
In any case, I use both Mac & Win client on my MacBook white (early 2009), and I see no discernible difference on it between the two, either in terms of speed, stability, graphics rendering, etc. I end up playing on the Mac client a lot more nowadays.
As for the steep learning cliff, well if you're the kind of player that prefers the instant-gratification type of game, WoW or similar is probably better for you. If you REALLY wanna play Eve, be prepared to get married to this game.
You can forget about ever hanging out with your buddies or having sex again... Your woman will probably leave you once you start playing Eve. The level of involvement needed is insane.
As for starting from scratch when you get podded, you really need to join a better corp.
Instead of "instant gratification", a better description would be "casual play". From this stanpoint the absolute best MMO game I've ever played is Planetside, pure PVP and I could log on twice a week and play for 3 hrs a pop and I never felt like I was missing out on anything. I think it's rare to get away with that for most MMOs. In WoW unless you were playing dedicated characters, with that kind of a schedule, all your friends would out level you.
The closest I've come to marrying a game and having my wife leave (
) is WoW. Not the last time I played, but the first time I played I was logging about 20 hrs per week. From a rational logical stanpoint, I can tell you that is too much. I can't see that for a space combat game. Thanks for the input!Instead of "instant gratification", a better description would be "casual play". From this stanpoint the absolute best MMO game I've ever played is Planetside, pure PVP and I could log on twice a week and play for 3 hrs a pop and I never felt like I was missing out on anything. I think it's rare to get away with that for most MMOs. In WoW unless you were playing dedicated characters, with that kind of a schedule, all your friends would out level you.
The closest I've come to marrying a game and having my wife leave (
I told you guys Huntn's a weenie.
The first time I played WoW, this was my schedule (as I imagine most of the ppl I played with)...
Log onto WoW. Get booted off. Wait in a queue. Chat on Teamspeak about WoW.
Play until 3AM.
Go to work in a few hours.
Take lunch break for 1 hour in a phone room sleeping on the table.
Buy quick bite to eat at desk.
Play WoW after work until 3AM.
Weekend's aren't so hectic fortunately. It's just play WoW period.
Fortunately no wife or girlfriend or anything like that. Because then I would have had to boot her and hurt her feelings.
After reading your schedule, just replace "weenie" with "normal well adjusted married person".
I am a lot like Huntn. I have played several MMOs in the past. Played Meridian59 first, then moved onto Everquest, then tried Ultima Online. OMG the lag and bugginess when that started. Back to Everquest. Played that game a good many years. Had a lot of fun. But the grind was terrible.
Then when WoW came out, I was in the first Open Beta and was hooked from the getgo. Wifee and I both got into the game, which helps with keeping the wife problems with too much play at bay.
Then we both took a break, came back during Burning Crusade. This time however, neither of us were "TOO" addicted. Then we took another break and came back during WOTLK.
There have been gaps here and there. I have a PS3 with some games that I can't get into that much. I always go back to WoW. Casually, which is just fine by me.
Started an Alliance on a PvE server a few months back. Always played PvP. Still feel wierd at times not having to watch my back. Though I do like that aspect of the game.
WoW is simply the best game I have played and will continue to support it. Just not as fanatic as we were in the beginning. Two kids help in that department. But we both get a decent amount of play in.
Until the next big thing comes out, of which I don't see once on the horizon, I will be a WoWer, off and on.
Then when WoW came out, I was in the first Open Beta and was hooked from the getgo. Wifee and I both got into the game, which helps with keeping the wife problems with too much play at bay.
Then we both took a break, came back during Burning Crusade. This time however, neither of us were "TOO" addicted. Then we took another break and came back during WOTLK.
There have been gaps here and there. I have a PS3 with some games that I can't get into that much. I always go back to WoW. Casually, which is just fine by me.
Started an Alliance on a PvE server a few months back. Always played PvP. Still feel wierd at times not having to watch my back. Though I do like that aspect of the game.
WoW is simply the best game I have played and will continue to support it. Just not as fanatic as we were in the beginning. Two kids help in that department. But we both get a decent amount of play in.
Until the next big thing comes out, of which I don't see once on the horizon, I will be a WoWer, off and on.