AMD's stock is rising Cmaier. Over the last two years it has been an net positive trend.
We can put similar cases together with other companies around the world. I don't think AMD is going to go the way of Palm.
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AMD's stock is rising Cmaier. Over the last two years it has been an net positive trend.
We can put similar cases together with other companies around the world. I don't think AMD is going to go the way of Palm.
You forgot to mention that since 2006 (end of AMD's performance reign), AMD's stock has been on a net negative trend.
Sounds like a negotation tactic. However the landscape is pretty easy to see with Intel not having a GPU piece, nVidia in freefall which leaves AMD as the only technology partner that supports x86 and OpenCL.
Add the way in which AMD interacts with the market - no egos to clash with Apple and no Wintel ties - leaves them a good match to quietly provide the technical underpinnings for Apple's loudhailer into the market.
AMD also have that little innovative twinkle in the past and will go out on a risk to capture a market which may work well with Apple's innovators. However, as people have added here - they've lost some of that and that's what's cost them dearly. The purchase of ATI is possibly one of their better long term decisions.
Only issue is the current shared power/stock in PowerVR along with Intel, who may be causing some corporate/product discomfort as an added driver for running with AMD..
You forgot to mention that since 2006 (end of AMD's performance reign), AMD's stock has been on a net negative trend.
If you read enough of the conversation to notice we were talking about AMD after its loss of the performance crown. There was no need to mention the fall BECAUSE IT ISN'T PART OF THE CONTEXT!
But then Nobody on Mac Rumors reads the entire conversation. >:\
Funny. I've read every single post on this thread.
And actually, I believe cmaier was talking about AMD after they lost the performance crown (coincidentally around the time he left). Correct me if I'm wrong.
Funny. I've read every single post on this thread.
And actually, I believe cmaier was talking about AMD after they lost the performance crown (coincidentally around the time he left). Correct me if I'm wrong.
So why are you talking about before they lost the performance crown?
So why are you talking about before they lost the performance crown?
Only I wasn't. Please reread my previous posts.
I'll reserve final judgment for preliminary benchmarks of the Llano samples. If it performs well and has a fantastic price them I think Apple should indeed be looking at incorporating AMD to their desktop/notebook lineup.
I no longer have any idea what any of you are talking about. I'll sum up: AMD does now and forever in the future shall suck. Back to regular programming.
Don't be so absolute, AMD has performed well before and has the potential to be cream of the crop again... and you know it.
If that cluster computing blog's benchmark is to believed, the new Opterons are currently have the crown.
I've already listed a ton of publicly available evidence. I also have 10 years of experience and continued contact with multiple current and former employees. I'm pretty confident in my predictions.
Yet you make the mistake of talking in absolutes.
AMD is as no way in bad of shape as Apple or IBM was when they got their market ripped from their stagnant hands yet AMD is certainly going to suck or die forever.... right.
Look up the term disgruntled.
Let me answer to you as a Apple fan : "I hope so."
Let me answer to you as a real person: "Apple just think about profit, they will eventually change for AMD so they will have less expenses but they will still keep, if not raise, the prices."
The Athlon 64s kicked the Pentium 4's ass in every possible metric. Heat, power consumption, performance, performance/$.
Until the sleeping giant of Intel awoke and came out with the cores...they were coasting on an inefficient architecture. The Pentium Extreme/"Emergency" Editions were laughable. Prescott P4s moved the the thermal probe (making people think they ran hotter than their Northwood predecessors), but the architecture still had a ton of problems and wasn't scaling any higher.
Intel woke up, and since the Cores, they've won on raw performance.
Now, in the low-to-mid range...AMD wins easily on performance for $.
We'll have to see if Apple is going to take on a second chip supplier though.
A64 are also 6 years old. Intel started kicking back and kicking back hard when they started working with the old Pentuim M which were based on the P3 architecture. AMD back then sucked for mobile chips and they still suck today for mobile chips.
A64 were great DESKTOP chips but AMD did not have a good mobile chip. Pentium Ms were kick ass mobile chips back then.
I am just glad that the days of shoving desktop CPU in laptops are over for a while.
I believe Cmair agrees that the Athlons 64 were great chips in their time. Hell I love my Athlon 64 3000+ I have in my computer right now and it has served me very well over the past 6 years. I like my Macbook for mobile work but at the end of the day my heavier lifting is done by my desktop. Before some one wonder why I am using a 6 year old computer for heavy lifting the Macbook is getting on the old side as well so it is not to far out of line.
Sadly AMD has been inferior in mobile chips for ages.
I had a Pentium M Powered Dell B130, 1.6GHz. Kept cool, did quite a bit of work. I was happy with it.
I'm just saying that AMD has not ALWAYS sucked. At least, not in the desktop.
I cannot fathom the thought process that went into that. I knew a guy with a laptop like that...don't remember the brand, but it was ridiculously thick, got no battery life, and sounded like an airplane turbine
Cmaier said that:
cmaier said:
The "current" is true in much of the lineup.
But forever in the future? I mean, c'mon.
In defense of my being against making broad statements, I shall pull out a quote that Macrumors visitors would probably appreciate
It doesn't look like any mistake to me. This guy seems completely incapable of objective analysis of this topic. Hopefully his friends on the inside will soon be given the new start they apparently long for but don't have the spine to initiate.
No as in, when arguing anything its a mistake to talk in absolutes.
Being disgruntled is perfectly understandable though, but the whole point of the "critical thought" process used in arguments is to take emotions out of the picture.
Guys - I have nothing to be disgruntled about. I left on my own accord. I had great times at AMD making a64 and creating amd64. AMD paid me enough to pay for a house in silicon valley and a porsche. I quit on my own and was not pressured to do so. They were sad to see me go, and i was sad to leave
I am not disgruntled. I am sad. Sad that AMD squandered their lead because new management decided that the way to compete was design CPUs the way that chips in toasters are designed. And worse, to do it with giant teams of unskilled designers instead of a small team of highly experienced engineers who know how to design transistor by transistor.
Now the whole company is organized on this basis. It's not going to change. It sucks, because AMD had a huge opportunity. A superior product. A superior team that was eager to win. And a sleeping and disoriented competitor. Those three factors are not coming together again before AMD runs out of cash.
